I can't say anything about their current screening.  I've been a lifetime member since they started

I have been a member for several years.  Gina owned the company when I got screened. I am not sure who was more thorough at the time P-411 or the IRS. Needless to say it was in depth. As far as the value of it I will continue to be a member ( just sent in two years fee ). When traveling it is irreplaceable. The top providers in any big city are almost always  members. I do think they need to update the web site for easer use ( communicating )  and pictures. New providers need to be recruited also. If changes are not made I am not sure p-411 will be very relevant in 10 or so years.    

I joined back in 2017. I didn't get screened.

I had seen P411 and debated about trying to join and decided against it. A lady I visited mentioned it and asked if I ever thought about joining, and I told her I had pretty much decided against it. She told me that if she gives me a referral I'll get 6 months free.

Hmmm  I thought. At least I could try it with no strings attached. And it wasn't like I had to pay for a year and then I'd get the 6 months on the back end. It was just 6 months. So I agreed. I don't know if she got anything out of the referral, but good for her if she did.

Anyway, she sent me an email and I clicked the link. Signed up and provided the basic info for my account and submitted. No work info, no name, no nothing. About 20 minutes after submitting I got an email saying that my membership was approved. Bam.

I've been a member ever since. I don't know if it works the same for clients with provider referrals anymore of if they give the 6 months free.  

I find it invaluable. I try to see only P411 providers and always reach out with a PM there when I am looking to meet for the first time. Only once did a provider need more info - every other time my recent okays is all it takes. I just reached out to another (for me) new lady the other day based upon a buddy's recommendation. She said I'm good to go - didn't even look at my profile.

I find P411 to be the most valuable tool available in this hobby. I have been a member here since 2002, and was active on a few escort forums  (Tampa and London-based , mostly) before then. It was there where I first communicated with Gina, the original founder/owner of P411, long before P411 was created. At one point I retired for a few years, and when I returned I had no current referrals. In about 2014 I reached out to Gina at P411, and we quickly remembered one another form the earlier Tampa-based forum, though she was from Denver. Even though she remembered me, she still required my real info and called my work to confirm. While uncomfortable, I found it to be a smart way to start, as she assured me that nothing was kept. (Though I had no way to know if this was true, but I trusted her.) I hope the current P411 owners are similarly stringent.

Maybe it's just my geography, but I experience more and more ladies telling me they don't take P411 as screening. They have all kinds of reasons for not accepting it and to be fair some seem legit. Oddly enough those same providers use P411 to advertise but won't trust the members there who have countless okays. Anyway, I digress. At the end of the day Im glad I'm a member as some still take it, but more and more I find providers who want a DL, LinkedIn profile with a minimum number of connections, and a phone number traceable back to the name on my DL.  

No thanks, I'll pass. As badly as I'd like to see some of them, it's not worth risking my personal info like that in the event of a leak, a bust, or blackmail.  

It is a valuable service and I would recommend it.  Unfortunately, I sense it is widely misunderstood by the younger Twitter-universe ladies.  Seems far too many go out of there way to state the P411 is not an acceptable screening mechanism for them.  I sense they equate P411 members to the "review" community.  It has a us-versus-them feeling to it.

P411 is great!

As a provider, I love p411! It  makes it so much easier to screen men and the men on there tend to be much classier and low hassle compared to other sites I've used.

I recall that Gina was thinking of shutting down completely at her retirement, but then said something to the effect that she found someone she felt could carry on the tradition.  So a personal voucher from Gina.
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As I read the rules, for new admirers, you can either get two references from p411 providers, or submit personal ID.
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Looks like to become a listed provider you need to have at least one reference from a p411 client with at least 5 okays, as well as provide a lot of personal ID..
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I personally had two references when I joined and never submitted personal ID.  That was maybe four or so years ago.
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I prefer using p411 providers because it usually sufficient to get a booking without additional screening.  One thing I have noticed is that several p411 providers are pretty lax about ever responding, even though it is an explicit requirement that they do so in a timely manner and can be kicked off for not responding.  (They don't have to say yes, they just have to give a decision in a timely manner.)
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That's really my only complaint about p411 providers.  The providers that I thought were a bit sketchy were banned soon enough.

I am a life member since 2009 and when I signed up the deal was that you used part of your DL as verification and it was agreed that the companion could look at it on arrival to verify.  The only issue I have ever had was early this year when I requested an appointment and got a reply from the woman's service saying I had to fill out their form.  I said thanks, but no thanks, as I joined P411 as a single point VERIFICATION service.  I don't know what is currently required, but for me it has worked great and I would recommend it.  

Happy Holidays to All!

works really well for me on the same or short notice most of the time. References were taking too long (not their faults) and I felt like I owed them a favor every time (no trouble from the girls at all). Singed up after I got two referrals and haven't stopped since 2013.

As a side note, only once in my years, a provider asked to see my ID to verify P411 is actually my account as it has my first name. The agency's rule was well spelled out on their site so it was not a big deal. Though, I did insist she can verify it, but not outside my presence, as she was about to leave to another room with my ID.

All good imo. I'm golden being verified over there. Love the ok's I get and that a girl that I request a date with can look at my pics and profile which gives her a big edge as to who she's gonna play with. No brainer!

I don’t know that anything changed since Gina sold, but I joined way back in 2011, when Gina was definitely in charge. I’m not sure they’ve ever done “vigorous screening.” All I needed was 2 provider references, and zero personal info.

anytime a provider receives a pre-screening or appointment request, P411 has a disclaimer stating, "We encourage everyone to do as much *additional screening as they feel is necessary*, to keep themselves safe."  

 
I typically do not try to read into things but reading between the lines, it's clear to me that they realize their verification system isn't full-proof. When I joined P411, I was informed by P411 that *ALL* client accounts had to provide their legal information in addition to either provider references OR employment information. Based on the information some of you provided, it's clear that is not the case and only reinforces why some may require more information.  And whether people want to believe it or not, P411 has been used in stings. In addition, since Gina left, for P411 to take a concern seriously the client has to basically commit gross bodily harm against the provider to be banned from the platform.  

 
I don't think it's just "new" providers who have qualms with P411. I think every provider, whether a veteran in the industry or new,  view P411 in whatever way works for them. I know "veteran" providers who view P411 as an advertising platform, some new providers see it as a verification platform, and there are some who have deleted their P411 accounts because they don't like P411's practices. No one can really agree. While I accept P411, it is only within certain parameters and if you are not blacklisted for certain things.  

 
Something that would make P411 more beneficial is implementing a blacklist/reporting structure for providers that is vetted by P411 staff. Basically, a provider would receive a client inquiry that includes their P411 information. Then the provider would pull up the client account and there would be a tab to see any "infractions" or "reports" on that client.

It will continue to be part of my verification process. For me it's not the be all, end all screening methods for me and never has been.  

I've heard about more bad experiences from ladies than back when Gina owned it. I think, but don't know for sure, that the new owner(s) are not women. Gina was fair when problems arose, but from what I've heard now, it tends to favor the guys more now. I notice fewer make members online when I check. .  

Steph XO

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Always Great Experiences with Ladies I met through P411.  Better quality Women equate to better quality Experiences.

She probably sold it for a good price.   There were a number of cop incursions including a well documented case of Phoenix PD taking over the ID of a well known provider and instead of being concerned she banned me since I allowed providers to tell their bad experiences on my old private list - now long gone as with the old local Phoenix boards when AZ made it a felony to encourage prostitution.   I have no idea about the new owner and I am no longer have the Private List once so popular in Phoenix and our Sky-High Condo parties.

I joined P411 some years back when Date-Check melted down. Almost all the providers I see are on P411 and screening has worked fine with just a couple exceptions. For the last year I've mainly been seeing the same 4-5 girls and I just need to remember to ask them to update their ok's every so often so that I have current ok's.

isn't on p411, the probability of me contacting them is slim to none. This is MY minimum screening requirement. While this isn't a foolproof method, as I've encountered some issues with a select few p411 providers, the vast majority of my dates were (are) with beautiful, reputable ones.

As an European provider I really like the idea, however it seems that no one is really using it much here. Which is shame, but since in Europe prostitution is not illegal men feel we are too entitled if we want to screen, they ignore the part that it is for our but also their safety. And I could log into my old account

I don’t know about screening, but they are not as involved…

They used to enforce a provider’s cancellation policy if it was clearly written on the website and in the same wording on the personal website. I found out the hard way when someone canceled while I was en route to an early morning out call from the Chicago area to Milwaukee That they don’t do that anymore.  This is why I ask for deposits from everyone on tore down not just everybody but P411 members.

I contacted P411 and I asked them about that. I said I was concerned because P411 used to back us up. If a client was problematic, or if a provider was problematic, they were not allowed to be on the site. That’s what made it so great.

They said that they do still Make notes when there’s a problem and if there are enough problems and somebody will be removed from the site.  

I just recently found out that they no longer enforced the cancellation policy. When I mentioned it to the client he blocked me. That’s how I learned about it and I was an hour and a half into my drive to that Outcall. Not very nice. So I’m mentioning this in case other people are still not aware of that.

It's worth it's weight in gold. I now use it almost exclusively to find my next date.

For anyone participating in the "hobby"--(providers, clients, etc)--P411 is still indispensable. It's the equivalent of Google in the "pay for play" dating world!!

I almost us P411 exclusively...just seem to save a lot of trouble that way.  Anytime a provider asks for more, I just move on the next girl...I have been a member for a long time now and only problem I have had was providers flaking on appointments.  That said, the girls on P411 are more expensive than other sites.

My big concern about having my real info on P411 was the possibility of it getting hacked.  Think of how much money criminals could make by extortion to the members.  Or if the cops got the info, they have the list of johns to harass.  (and providers) .  Big companies with lots to tech security get hacked all the time.  Why not someone little like P411.  

Fortunately in my area , San Mateo, once verified by a local org, we are ready to go.    Local providers can send a reference to another in the area.    I do not travel, so this works for me.

Ed

I'm very interested in returning to the hobby after about an 8 year hiatus.  But things in Ohio have changed.  The client now takes all the punishment when caught by LE, including being classed as a sex offender for life.  That really bugs me, but I a glad the providers are no longer being punished.  I am thinking of joining P411, but every time I look at the form, I cringe.  I read every word of this post and am still undecided.

Oh well, maybe I just don't have the guts for this hobby anymore.  Even posting on this board bothers me.  But I think posting here is my 1st amendment right, and I am not really admitting to any wrongdoing.  I'm wondering if joining P411  can also be considered my right.

Thoughts?

Can someone please help me get vouchers

I need to get vouchers for me to join is it possible for someone to help me with this process