Do most of you guys ever consider seeing a TS at some point? or even fantasize about the idea? I hear a lot of guys who come to see me that they used to see only GGs before. But most of them mentioned how they felt their providers were somewhat detached during a session. On the other hand they say that very rarely a TS provider behaves that way and, while I know that one should not generalize about anything, and just about anyone can be detached or "too" businesslike. I noticed a pattern. I just thought I would ask if that is to some extent true.  
There's a lot of super hot providers out there so I don't blame you for preferring genetic girls, but in all honesty, TS can be just as hot and some of us are quite petite and passionate, not to mention cute. I always thought that for hobbyists to be in the hobby, they usually have to have an open mind and be ready for most things. And ultimately we all wanna have fun and an unforgettable experience. What do you guys think?

I've never considered seeing one or fantasized about it.  I've seen pictures of some really sexy TS providers but when that dick pops out, lil' Nick does his Sumo Wrestler deal and tries to dive up inside my pelvis.
As for "hobbyists" being open minded, I wish you were right but I've read so many guys here posting judgmental bullshit about the sexual preferences of others I know full well mongers are at least as judgmental as civvies.

When you are not looking for them.

I am straight and don't want dick.  I like genetic girls because they are not dudes with a package dangling.  If I'm paying for a session then I want real girl with all the subtle little things that make up a women. Such as lack of leg hair,  private parts that have internal structure of a real women's vagina, smooth womanly skin, scent smell aroma and not just from perfume,  curves around her butt.  

Anymore than I considered or fantasized about having sex with a fat woman...or ugly.

Well, starting with the premise that seeing a TS makes you gay... I totally understand the homophobia. You can look at it in so many different ways or you can just be black or white about it. And trust me... I do not intend to burst that little bubble you like to live in, and I'm sure most people here (or at least i'd like to believe) are respectful of girls like myself, who always felt like we were meant to be chicks. I do not think the men that have come to see me have anything gay about them. They are attracted to feminine traits as much as the next guy.  
Just like I may not feel attracted to every single man I see, I feel attracted to good looks, a good personality, a nice smile. To limit myself to "how big is your d*ck" would be ridiculous in my opinion, you can be handsome, and a douche. or you can be average, but personable. Being open minded has never brought me to a dark place. Thanks for the feedback men

Guess that I'll go against the flow. of replies..   though I am heterosexual 99.99% of the time, I became curious and took the plunge a couple of times. The experiences were OK but not exceptional. It was probably me (it's all about the mind being into it, no?).

And I doubt my view is becoming dominant...simply how I see certain parts of this world.

You don't have to be attracted to trans*women, but "open minded does not mean turning gay?!" Jesus tittyfucking Christ. First of all, if one can "turn gay," then one should be able to "turn straight," right? So is it your assertion that a guy who's gay his whole life, upon being with a trans*man is suddenly turned straight because his trans* partner has "lingering female parts?"

And it seems you were hoping for a different set of replies.

thanks Tobi. I really was speechless from his post. You exteriorized what I was feeling inside but couldn't put it in words.

I actually didn't know what to expect. I really liked the answers people have written. Not disappointed at all.

The ignorance of supposedly educated people never ceases to amaze me Tobi.

It's a long journey to get to that destination.

You sound a lil tipsy with all that cursing... This ain't the beer garden hon!

And you're right. That wasn't the reason why I asked the question. I guess what I really wanted to have a sense of is... are guys looking to have a good time to someone they feel attracted to. or do looks mandate who you see, even if she is mediocre or detached during a session.  
Id like to think its NOT the latter.

Any time the discussion of TS providers comes up, there is always a handful of ignorant responses that say something to the effect of "DERP I'M NOT GAY SO I DON'T FUCK MEN" and it's infuriating. The fact that so many people in our culture can't differentiate sexual orientation from gender identity is astounding to me. I hope that in the not-too-distant future there will be less of this heteronormative bullshit.  

if the appearance,  performance and value were there it would not make a difference to me

I want to her a soft well spoken feminine voice.

I see mein kampf; as a person in general, not based on what gender I identify myself with. I guess I was blessed with a feminine body and face (some may differ but that's ok).  

If TS have deep love towards men and would do everything (including "OP") to live like a woman to attract men, then it is totally understandable to TS that there are straight men who have deep love towards women and will behave everything like men to attract women so that human species would continue ...

Think about  logic before you say shit like that. Open-mindedness is actually a superset of gayness, bi-ness, ts, fetishes, etc.  It can include being gay or turning gay or seeing ts or being bi but it doesn't EQUAL to any of those. You can be open-minded but it does not equate to you being into swinging or poking needles or liking other fetishes.  It can mean a broad range of stuff but it doesn't equate to it.  Does this make any sense to you?  

What do you call that? In my book,  it's considered pretty gay
 unless I got into that situation without consent or inform.  

try talking to yourself.

I just couldn't get an erection.

I think it was a chemistry thing or something because the person looked very nice and we had established a very good rapport over the previous weeks through emails and all.

We were both very disappointed in the situation.

Perhaps I'm reading your post wrong but you seem to be at least implying that guys who see TS hookers are gay. Personally, while I've never done it I don't think that makes them gay at all.  They're attracted to the TS because she looks like a real girl.  They would probably never fuck a guy who looks and acts like a guy.  I'm also guessing that most/many of them fuck real girls, too.  If they were gay they wouldn't do any of those things.
Anyway, I don't see why anyone cares.  As I said, it's irrelevant to me because my cock "goes Sumo" when it sees another dick.
On a related topic, how come guys are all skeeved out by gay men but get all hot and bothered when two girls are fucking each other?  Double standard much?  You will never find me watching gay male porn but WTF.

Gotta know...did you look (ever) in the showers in high school?

aybe my definition of gay is a bit broad but to each their own.  I'm entitled to mine and the rest of the PC people can do as they wish.

No real straight man wants that visual.  Its a torture just even thinking of doing that...  If you are gay, its one thing, and if you want to be curious how it feels, I'd say go for it, but your argument is asinine, given that this is a platform for straight as an arrow men..

I truly cannot fathom that level of ignorance. And seriously? All of the "he/him" shit is massively offensive. She identifies as female, so at least be a decent human being and refer to her using the proper pronouns.  

You try talking to yourself... and while you are at it talk yourself into taking an acting class

That someone has a choice to be gay.

DA treads rather lightly in his penny loafers

We all might just be gay  

If you get drunk and have lots of sex, you've probably boned a TransSexual Provider

I feel so hurt.
But I just figured out why it's pointless for you to talk to yourself.  You wouldn't understand a thing you said to yourself.
You make about as much sense as this woman.  Is she your Mom?

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Otherwise how do you know it's not fun to suck a TS girls cock?

I simply stated the reasons why I wouldn't.  

Can't say that I've ever felt the itch for a session with a TS, but have seen porn featuring them and they can certainly put heat into the scene.

Hopefully most of the ladies. Dang... it's now a dicksize threAD

You don't need to go through the whole ordeal.  How does idea of eating shit appeal to you? Wanna eat some poop to see if you like it or not...?

as you.

Look up!

It does exist.  And I'd say someone who likes TS girls certainly has bi-sexual tendencies. Perhaps we can meet in the middle on that?

I would like if i said that I was just looking for sweet people with sweet responses. My question was open to everyone who would be willing to participate. the douchiness of referring to me as a he though... that must be just ur natural charm .  

Not hardly.  Have you noticed there's a board for discussing TS providers?  And a TS ad board?  Clearly, there are enough fans of TS here to justify the bandwidth.

But thus far I have not pulled the trigger. To me there's nothing gross or disgusting about a beautiful woman with a cock. I find it kind of hot in fact. And for those wondering, I'm 100% heterosexual. Have zero desire to be with a man.  

Now listen to your Uncle Ron.

Not likely...but I don't disagree with your reply either.

Of course there are some strange guys on TS board, who wouldn't admit they are gay, or have gay like tendencies but would go see TS girls.  But again the question would not be appropriate for them as they are already enjoying TS sex..

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But you're wrong. It's sad that a provider would be so closed-minded about this, but not unexpected I suppose.

Seems people have a hard time accepting how some straight men view the act of sword fighting. Lol  

It's just the way we are. We might find the thought of it gross,  we might find it gay,  we might find it whatever. Either way, there are certain things we don't wish to try.  

I'm not homosexual. I'm not bi-sexual. I'm not attracted to men in the slightest. I'm attracted solely to the female form and I identity very strongly as heterosexual.  

Prejudice is a ridiculously stupid thing that only speaks to insecurity. That being said, I am not personally interested in seeing a TS. I'm in no way shape or form a homophobe, I feel its none of my business what anyone else's sexual orientation is, it has zero effect on my life liberty or happiness. But I'm simply not intrigued or interested in a homosexual experience. I absolutely adore the female body, its a masterpiece, and I know I'll never get to see all of the women I want to see in my lifetime, so no reason to seek out surgically produced women.

Which makes you both right in my book.  Each of you is right for you and neither of you is judging anybody else for their identity.  I was going to say "choics" but it's not a choice.  People are just wired differently and should be able to live their lives happily and free of judgment.

Jesus tittyfucking Christ...... That is fucking priceless.

fantasy for me. I've yet to fulfill it, but hope to some day. Gender nonconforming is incredibly hot. A question for you, Aleksandra- do you see cis ladies?

a subject like this can make people who are typically prone to understanding gray areas see only black or white. And in the pronouncement of these definite boxes in which they like to place people they manage to be very offensive.  

To be bi-sexual I would need to be attracted to men. I can promise you that I'm not. Sorry, but I just don't think that it's all that easy to put a label on.

But on a serious note, I would consider myself as gay or having gay like tendencies if I enjoy man on man porn.  Its asinine to think of someone as gay just because they watch porn.

But I suck at phone sex.

But my kink hasn't really progressed as far as eating shit.. I have enjoyed "watching" some scat play on my computer, but that's about it.  

Don't ask me (us) for my (our) opinion.. You might just get it..

to attract women so that human species would continue.  

Yes I have. In fact it was super hot. While I identify myself as a girl. I consider myself bi sexual in the sense that I like both men and women. I love the masculinity of a man just as much as I love the curves and femininity of a woman. About a month ago I had the chance to meet with a really sexy provider who had a TS fantasy and we hit it off quite nicely. I think we had an amazing time and we met a second time for round two LOL.  

and openly gay men are rarely if ever attracted to transsexual WOMEN. Gay men are attracted to other men that don't have any female parts.

Trans genders feel like they are trapped in the wrong body, everything they feel and are oriented to is female/feminine. Trans gender women are attracted to MEN.

You know I "luv" ya but c'mon. I could be totally wrong here but I feel that transsexuals stay pre op because there is a market for them and secondly because the operation is expensive!!!

xoxo,

Steph

other wise.....

And I've seen some reviews of TS providers that described a detached attitude. So I really don't feel that's anything that's  more prevalent of either side. Clients will say what they want and who knows. maybe they were trying to give some kind of rationalization as to the why (when none was needed).

BTW nice to see you here!

Steph

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As a Progressive thinker I have consistently believed that sexuality is for the individual and not for the collective.  So if a Man is Gay he has the right (and the duty) to live his life as a Gay Man.  Not that - that is all he is as a person but it is a significant component.

By your assessment I can't be a lesbian if I like penetration. In fact, I like a real cock on occasion. Doesn't happen often. But when it does, I always enjoy it.  

My intention was by no means, to lecture you on anything. I just came to ask a simple question. I do find it interesting that; You refer to me coming "here"... the board of the straight people lol. Its a board... there's people... One thing bring most of us to this forum... "sex". I do not think I'm being stupid nor ignorant by coming here to ask "intelligent" people like yourself, about sex. If I can't ask a question about sex in a sex forum... What's the point of the existence of this site?  

I like your words... but I was asking about sex. not sexual orientation. People got homophobic way too fast about my question. Its also in our nature to explore. The subject of sexual orientation is so deep and intense... that this forum is too small for us to dissect every inch of it (if you will). I was oriented to like girls... i grew up in a very evangelical home. Yet I always felt different... but sure I tried to please everyone by abiding to what society and what parents taught me. That made me unhappy... In terms of a relationship; I'm straight. I like a man. In sex terms, I enjoy both. I never would have figured that one out if I never had been with a girl before... keyword... exploration LOL.

Thats why I said that one must not generalize. One can find detachment or businesslike behavior just about anywhere. I myself have never had such experience with gigis.

And she did start an interesting thread.

They probably have bi-sexual tendencies.  You don't have to only be straight or gay.  There is middle ground.  And to occupy it does not make you gay.  Human sexuality is very, very complex.

You like occasional cock but are not bi.  Sorry, but I have a hard time wrapping my mind around that.  I guess what it means is you just don't want cock very often?  OK.  Feel free to get in touch when you do! LOL!
But this is a great thread because it's helped me realize how broad the sexual spectrum is.

Speaking for my own self. I am a girl. When you say "it" I'm guessing you're trying to be gender neutral which I don't see anything wrong with that, I assume it is because you do not wanna offend anyone. But maybe some people would take offense that you are referring to them as inanimate objects LOL. As for me, I don't see myself any different than how you probably see yourself. I always have felt girly inside, and I think I also look girly on the outside... except for my equipment. So always thought of myself as a she.

And who gets more likes is the winner.

It's on my bucket list

I 'get' why so many people are locked-in to their ideas about the 'right and wrong' way to express their sexuality. But, at the same time I really don't 'get it'. With even a little bit of honest self-reflection I think most people would realize they are not %100 anything as far as their sexuality. Even %99.9 is not %100.  

Your mind, that is.

Right? If I was BI I would just say I was Bi.  

For thirty dollars.  

Because I realize that you do not realize how offensive what you're say is.  

a TS as act of turning gay.  Also,  enough research suggests people can actually turn gay.  If you don't belive me,  just take a look at the percentage of gay men who were straight before. I like you too,  but you seem to have your facts wrong.  

Why not choose the word bi, as these same guys might love women and TS. Why go right to gay? I think your revulsion is clouding your logical mind. Don't worry no gay guy or TS will feel you up, they have taste.

Perhaps if you were naming a pop-band or a neighborhood "straights" might work.

PS: I hate prostate exams and my doc's a woman.  I've also been with gals who supposedly are expert at prostate massage and it did less than nothing for me.  Does that mean I'm not gay?  Also, the only penis I like is mine. I'm so confused.

Re: You're not a TS, are you?

I know, Robbin. Just kidding. I've watched a couple of your videos. I didn't think that was a strap-on vagina.

What is so complex about liking pussy. With out being attracted to males?

his male doctor's finger up his bung hole, then yes, a case could be made that he has gay like tendencies.

Oh wait....actually, I'm not. At all.  

Nick-----all the cocks in the world will not change my basic nature. And, I gave it hell years ago...trust me. I tried. I really tried.  

Makes one gay!

You are an utter ass.

as long as they don't hate me just because I'm a hetero male. And I will be happy to serve as your Stunt Penis whenever you'd like.
As long as you're not too dikey looking'.

Seriously. Every time this subject comes up it's like getting pummeled by a tsunami of hetero-normative misperceptions.  

You guys are playing the PC card far too much now.  

No one said that there's something wrong with being gay. Having that said, straight masculine genetic men think very differently about taking or sucking dick. If a male likes cock, he's gay. Plain and simple.  
If he happens to like women too, then he's half-gay.  
No such thing as bi for men cuz you're either gay or not.  Sorry but that's just how vast majority of straight men think, whether or not the PC police thinks its ignorant. I think maybe it's also a masculinity related thing too.  

Well I am pansexual- is that a word? Lol! I really don't care what someone identifies as. Attraction is attraction and when one can shed the shackles of heteroconformity (homophobia being one of them) one can really have a lot of fun!! Funny you say that women aren't as adventurous, but I know many more women willing to experiment with different genders than I do men. Of course, you would know many more men in that category! Lol!! Ain't sex grand?

Holy cow! Did I just read that? I'm quoting so I can show it to myself in the morning. This has really been the most amazing thread.

The important thing is straight men don't like dick.

Your answer to HER question was no you wouldn't go down that road and most straight men don't. It was the rest of your that is just plain not true and the facts support it. And it's not just me on this thread that told you a thing or two. Make sure to use that angry face with them as well, DA!

Guys that see pre op TS's do not seek out the company of gay men and gay men aren't by nature attracted to TS ladies-PERIOD! Since they don't find feminine traits sexually appealing, they aren't into them.



Now have a great weekend and go get some hot pussy!




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But, just for the record, lesbians love you too. I don't recall ever actually meeting a lesbian who 'hated a guy because he was a hetero male'. And, I've been at this for a while.  

You know exactly what I wrote and I never wrote "seeing". Now you're just making shit up. I know you're smarter than that.  

But when you refer to the OP as "he" (dude that is seriously rude), when you (quite ignorantly) say: 'Gay is Gay', when you repeatedly allude to someone "turning gay" (which is not possible), when you continue to be this overtly homophobic----and here's the kicker-----you obviously do not realize how offensive you're being----those of us that you are repeatedly insulting might speak-up. Deal.  

If you can produce a study by a recognized scientific researcher, I will literally eat my Sexuality Studies degree.  

First of all, why is it so offensive to call a she a he or a he a she? This PC thing has gone too far. I see a penis, it's natural for a straight man to call the OP a he.  If he wants to be called a she, well then fine.. not much of a problem. It helps to not show a penis on the website cuz most men will assume that a biologicla man with a penis is a he.  

Or I could throw in the towel and recognize that would be as pointless as trying to explain this to my cat.  

And I will be honest in response.  The answer is "I've never considered it".  Why?  Simple...pussy.  

They've have known this for over a decade.

I'm not necessarily referring to gay men, gay women.  I'm mostly referring to the slang definition of it.  This is why so many PC people here are so overly obsessed over semantics arguing a completely moot point, arguing over dumb words instead of the point I was making: that a dude who wants dick is perceived to be gay by straight men.  

Read the blurb at the bottom of the article. It's a parody response to another article. My god, man.  

Your welcome. And thank you for commenting on my posts  

He also still loves lezzies like plants.
PS: When my old college gf masturbated she called it "beating my plant."

I'm straight and the only penis I like is my own.  

For all the talk of freedom, language often puts us in bonds stronger than any steel.

Well, at least we can rattle them now and then if not completely shed them.

There are some recent findings that suggest "testoerone" levels may also play a key role in sexual orientation and get it from their parents of opposite sex through epi-marks not solely genetics. It has to do with controlling testoerone and estrogen levels of off springs, which affects their orientation.  Claiming that gay or bi is all GENETIC is a premature statement. While there are genetics, there are also other factors. For example, why are women far more prone to being bi or lesbian than men with same genetics? discovery had a good article stating this.  

"sexual studies degree!?" Huh.