for those hobbyists that I scored below 9 with do you think it would be okay to find out what exactly didn't "click" by the performance only? My appearance scores are good. I generally would get 9's and 10's but on page of reviews I have been now getting more 8's. I also noticed that newer ladies are getting 9's, 10's but they offer Greek/swallowing, which I don't do. Should I start offering these items to catch back up with my 9's and 10's?
See link for guidelines
"Ratings above 7 are reserved for providers who render services that are considered to be real perks (i.e. Anal, BBBJ, Kissing with Tongue).
"Again, please try to save the 8 and 9 ranks for situations where out of the ordinary services are provided (i.e. Blow Job - without condom, Kissing with tongue, Really Bi, More than one guy). Each of these, beyond-the-call-of-duty talents count for one hard earned point. Of course, the 10 rating should be reserved for an experience that is really worth a million!"
I do everything but swallow and greek. What would seperate me from going back to my 9's from 8's? What seperates an 8 from an 9? I read the 8 as in going for the "extra mile". What now worries me is that when I get the 8 for performance, maybe I didn't perform well enough for him to think it wasn't a service? Although I give it my 100% best and make sure he is having a good time! Just worried here since most men either look for 9's and 10's. Thanks again.
-- Modified on 9/3/2004 9:19:32 PM
I suggest you get a VIP membership (if you don't already have it) and read the "juicy details". This should give you a lot of information about what the reviewer is thinking when he rates you.
If you still need help, send me a PM with your profile and I'll try to help you figure it out. (:
I think it's nice that you want the information, but the consensus around here is that it's not cool to contact clients without permission. (although using TER mail might be ok, but I wouldn't call them on the phone)
One more comment-- although the rating system is pretty clear, not everyone follows it, and I have to admit that whether you "click" might influence their rating. 
-- Modified on 9/3/2004 9:29:53 PM
Since we don't know who you are, we can only speculate. Here are some possibilities:
- Initial reviews were overrated in that they didn't follow the TER guidelines.
- Initital reviews were by newbies who tend to over score because the experience was so great but again didn't meet the TER criteria.
- You have experienced a run of tougher graders.
- It would be useful to know if those giving you the slightly lower scores tend to score everyone tougher or just you.
I've posted on this subject before and believe a third category for Overall Experience needs to be added which would make the performance category more objective but still allow for a higher score in Overall Experience if everything "clicked."
I think you answered it for yourself "Although I give it my 100% best and make sure he is having a good time" the guy wants you to have a good time? I think the guys want "you" to have fun, bets are you are "not" having as much fun as you did B4 because after all the years it is a job?
Frankly I wish TER would get rid of the numerical ratings. What I look for is details in the reviews that discuss what services the lady provides. I don't care if you're a "10", if you don't kiss and perfom bbbj I'm not going to contact you.
I would only worry if your ratings start dipping around 6. Hell I've seen guys give a girl a 7 then write in the details that she was the best lay of his life... who knows what the goof was thinking.
I wouldn't sweat it. While some guys have to have both, I have always felt anal is overrated (though I do enjoy it for variety every now and then, like quarterly maybe, with a couple of specially designated ladies), and swallowing I could really care less about, although it's a Really Big Deal for some guys.
If we were to have a session, I'd want you to enjoy yourself and be yourself as much as possible. Performing acts outside of your comfort zone wouldn't make me happy at all.
I read the whole review when possible and as always, look at the conduct of both the reviewee and reviewer. Some reviewers you cannot trust for a number of reasons.
If Greek and swallowing are things that you would not normally do for a special person, say like an SO, then you should not do it for customers, especially if you are uncomfortable with offering such services. At the end of the day, you should have done what makes you feel happy about yourself.
I, like a lot of hobbyists, like greek when it is offered. But I do not think that any self respecting hobbyist would purposely drop a provider's score because she does not off that service.
You seem to be far too concerned about your high performance ratings, generally an 8 is an excellent score. For me, I would have no reservation at all in seeing a provider again that I score an 8 for performance, and I would see one that someone else scores an 8, if he does a good job of explaining why he did so in the review or in a PM.
...for asking how they can do a better job. That is a good question to ask a customer, as long as he is comfortable in talking about it.Do not push the issue. I gave a provider a lower score one time (she deserved it) and she chewed me a new one....after I got her calmed down, and explained myself, she saw it my way. Never saw/speak to her again however. She did have a few good points to bring up to me...and I did listen to her.
As for the 'extra service' that you ask about....I would not suggest doing anything that you do NOT feel comfortable about doing. It will telagraph to the client and most likely, make your score go down.
Play to your strong points. Do you do/not do, anything different then when you got the higher marks back when? I would gather that maybe it is more what is between your ears then what you do/not do that could be where the problem lies. Time to be honest with your self. It is your life, and this is your biz. What you do/not do, is up to you.
Play safe...xxx/ooo
Oz
...by doing as little as possible with the money you make and find yourself another purpose. MOST guys don't want more than you are giving already. The key is in your attitude. If you politely tell the freaks that you don't "go there," the message will be loud and clear. Many might find fault in what you are doing; many men think the price of admission is carte blanche for anything and everything. If you want to stoop to the lowest levels of the hobby; hit the bricks and find out what being a "HO" really means... until then, contantly fight with the ideas of others and the doubt in your brain that says you should do dumb shit in the name of fun. Be resolved to do it your way or leave the game.
The problem with this idea Rush is that many providers tire of the game, but want to continue to make top dollar for just a jack and little else more. If they don't want top pay then I believe they should "perform."
that guys follow those guidelines you're mistaken. Clicking is what gets a lady an 8 or 9 by most guys.
Myself, I don't enjoy greek or swallowing and if I had to do it, I wouldn't enjoy my sessions. If, you enjoy these things, then do it to it!. Just, don't do anything that you feel is degrading to you. That wouldn't be worth any amount of great reviews. imo
If, you start doing these things, it doesn't always mean you can bring your scores up to 10's. I get 9's on my performance and I don't offer either.
I wouldn't contact your former clients, I would ask your new ones, what you could do to improve your performance, most will tell you.
-- Modified on 9/3/2004 11:10:46 PM
Kiss With Tongue, Bare-Back Blow Job, Really Bi, or More than One Guy.
very gutsy of you if I may say so. I applaud your candor.
The answer you seek though nmay very well be in the services you don't offer. "Swallowing" and "Greek" most often are the litmus test of a 9 or 10 experience. In fact one or both I believe to be necessary per TER rules for a 10 rating.
Ethically it is unfair to expect the high scores while denying those "special" services the other ladies are freely giving to get those scores.
No one is asking you to do what you are uncomfortable doing. However; You shouldn't expect a gold medal for a bronz performance.
YKSY
for years, I have been getting all 9's in which I never swallowed/greek and it's only recently, I have 8's (with 9's still sprinkled in). Apparently I have been doing something right for all those years, until recently which has my scratching my head here lol I plan on emailing those I have seen before by Ter email and hopefully get more of an insight of what it may be that is causing me to get those 8's! It's driving me crazy here..sadly.
Thank you everyone for your input!
-- Modified on 9/3/2004 11:18:02 PM
the men are looking to be wowed with new blood, new energy. Read Net Michelle's post about Jenna Jameson's book...All girls on the net get to be measured against porn actresses, ya think?
What do men expect? Personally I think a lot of men look for something in a provider that is unrealistic, and then they will be disappointed when they realize they cannot find it. Many will then blame and devalue the provider, or providers as a whole as being worthless. Some will get it... Some will go back and realize that it's about the hole in their lives that ONLY they can fill.
Not sure what's going on exactly, but there are factors going on that may have NOTHING to do with you.
-- Modified on 9/4/2004 12:37:53 AM
I've seen a lot of women, so let me just tell you as straight forward as I can.
I realize that TER guys make up a large portion of your income.
I also realize that regularly getting new reviews keeps your name in the limelight, so to speak.
But from at least this guy's perspective, the numbers don't mean much-especially the difference between 7,8, and 9. 10 does mean something special and unique.
What matters to me (and I'd guess most guys, but can really only speak for myself), is how much fun we have. Do we click. Is there really fun chemistry. Do I get what I'm looking for. To me, the most important question is when I'm finished, am I still thinking about the woman and do I want to see her again soon.
One session I had I walked away still horny, and still wanting more -but from another woman. Definitely not worth the $.
The more important question is would I go back again for another session. If a guy tells me in a review, he would not go back -it means it wasn't worth it to him. That's a definite stay away for me.
I barely look at the numbers because some guys give too high numbers and some too low. Think of it like Olympic scoring. They throw out the high and low and get a middle average.
Some guys have specific things that they like. I love deep passionate kissing. That gets a bonus point from me always. Some guys love bbbj and others like greek. Just like some people like cheese on their french fries and others don't even eat the french fries. It just depends on the guy.But if you read our reviews, you can get some idea of what we like.
MOST IMPORTANT POINT: IT IS NOT A REFLECTIN ON YOUR VALUE AS A PERSON!!! Can't emphasize this enough.
Bottom line is: Please forget about this obsession with numbers. It is a not a critique on whether you are a good person.
Like a restaurant review -would you go back again for another meal is MUCH more important than if the filet was seasoned appropriately.
Read the juicy details to see if the guy really had fun, walked away completely satisfied and would want to return. That's what many of us veteran reviewers are looking to find out.
again, only my opinion.
Rick2
For me, 8's, 9's and 10's scores are a combination of the extra services provided and the quality of the service. I have never given a provider a 10 because I reserve that for the ultimate session. If I find that provider, I will probably stop seeing any other provider. 
I have given 8's and 9's to providers who have not offered Greek or swallowing. Neither of these are required to get those scores. The guidelines say you can give a point for each special service such as "Blow job - without condom, Kissing with tongue, Really Bi, More than one guy, Anal." So DFK can earn a point and BBBJ (this does not necessarily mean swallowing) can earn another point. Of course, the extra service and overall session has to be good. Quality counts - this isn't a checklist where just doing it will get you a point, it has to be earned. Since you are obviously concerned with your client's satisfaction, I'm sure you will be getting those high scores in no time. Good luck.
Since you are concerned about your slipping numbers, I as a hobbyist would not be offended with being asked by a provider as to how to improve or what areas I saw that was lacking in our session.
I would not offer any service that you are uncomfortable with just to get a Higher rating. You may offer that same service and get differing results from the hobbyists.
It is interesting my #1 ATF is constantly raising the bar and just when I think she can not top a previous session, she exceeeds my expectations once again. Obviously we have a huge connection..not just physically.
If you are averaging at least a 6 over all, you are in fine standing.
Most of the ladies I see from time to time vary from 6 to 9 with the occasional 10 or 4-5 mixed in.
Everyone has a off night just as everyone has a great one.
If your clients are happy and you are making good revenues, don't screw with the system.
I found that most providers start getting consistent 9s when they increase the sensual nature of their play rather than when they start doing Greek or swallowing. Remember, it is the closeness and the intimacy that gets most real hobbysts going.
Just my opinion and I could be wrong.
Loarthan
Its uncanny...but generally all his other reviews are unusually shitty also.
I've noticed this on many ocasions.
Its like...Has this guy seen the same provider the other guys have seen???
There should be no rhyme or reason for his continuous bad reviews.He must have TER VP blinders on...lol..or the glass is just always "more than half empty".
New TER policy...If a guy gives more than three continuous lousy reviews on girls who have genuinely good or better reviews...the providers he has seen can publish a review on him.
Cheers!
Good point. A guy could be giving bad reviews because (for example...please, no flames) he has poor hygiene and the ladies react to that. His experience will continue to be bad, while the provider is giving good service in general.
I think checking with prior clients is fine, but keep in mind that it's a subjective situation. Having said that, the providers I see with lots of 10's usually have lots of comments about how they "love what they do". I want to feel that your life would be incomplete without me, even if that's just the illusion.
just having reviewers and providers exercise the discretion and judgment we expect of anyone when reading reviews? Personally, if a hobbyist has three lousy experiences in a row, I want to know based on the chance that his reviews are legit and he's about to guide me away from a bad experience. Just use the common sense God gave you everyone.
1. you are discreet in doing so--no unexpected calls;
2. you are prepared for the answers--don't ask if you aren't ready to hear some blunt answers; and
3. you are prepared to heed at least some of the advice--no point asking what to change if you have no intention of changing anything
i've given 9s to providers who did not do anal, CIM or facials but I think it is allowed for providers who do BBBJ, DFK and everything else to a high level of performance.
Although I have no formal massage training, I pride myself on the quality of massage I give ladies to start off our session with an "appetizer". For my initial meeting with a certified massage specialist, I prepared an "Evaluation of (WymenLover)'s Massage". Though it was somewhat "tongue in cheek" (and in a few other locations), I gave it to the masseuse and asked her to fill it out before I left. The form included several specific questions, including, "Could I have done anything differently to increase your pleasure?"
Why not try the same thing. You could use such a form as both an improvement tool and a method of marketing. Assuming you do not want to supply an address for mailing it back to you, ask the client to either fill it out before you part company, or bring it back at the next session. To encourage a next session, your form good say it is good for a $25/$50/$whatever amount discount when returned with the questions answered.
Most guys are reluctant to honest about "shortcomings" because they do not want to hurt a lady's feelings. If some of the questions on your evaluation are asked with a sense of humor, it might help "break the ice" and let your clients know your goal is to please them and improve your performance, and that your feelings will not be hurt.
so long winded that you'd usually already have your answer.
I take it your reviews are either very short, poorly written or you're not a VIP member and therefore can't read them?
I personally hate everything dealing with numbers. Wish I could opt out of that part of it.
"I also noticed that newer ladies are getting 9's, 10's but they offer Greek/swallowing, which I don't do. Should I start offering these items to catch back up with my 9's and 10's?"
Presumably you don't offer those services now because you either don't enjoy them, or aren't comfortable experiencing them. Personally while I think it's admirable your interested in getting a higher score, I would hate to see you something you wouldn't otherwise consider doing just because you want a higher score.
For what it's worth, when I search reviews I look for anything 8 or above.
Most of us can not make magic with everyone, there are a few providers who are Chameleons and can intuitively sense what and who a particular gent wants or needs them to be, but that is rare and i am not sure it is healthy.
Some gents have rose colored glasses on when they meet you some do not. I try to be very honest with myself and my clients about reviews, and I have many provider friends and acquaintances, we laugh about the numbers, especially where looks are concerned (beauty is really in the eye of the beholder) but also where performance is concerned. Someone here in the thread mentioned looking at the other reviews that gent has submitted, I always do that if one disturbs me a little, if he gives me a 7 but almost everyone else got a 6 or less from him, it is easy to see he is a tough reviewer but surly more honest than someone who has had 10 once in a lifetime experiences. In any case unless the phone stops ringing, don’t put too much stalk in the numbers. Hobbyists seem to understand that this is one man’s opinion of you and looks at the over all rather than the particular.
In any case I would not contact the gents (if you have the means to do so) they may see that as an intrusion and they may feel they gave you an honest yet excellent review.
Also, please do not start offering services you do not feel good about, one of the beauties of the hobby is diversity and variety. Stay true to yourself in all things.
Love and Light
roxy
I think Rick was accurate in his comments. The ratings are more important to new clients than repeat clients. The easiest way to evaluate your performance is to see how many clients repeat. Hobbyists tend to vote with their money. The one exception that comes to mind is if you are a well known lady with multi hours minimums and a relatively high per date cost. In that situation some hobbyists will see you as a once in a lifetime treat for a special day (birthday) and do not have the financial resources to see you on a regular basis. Another exception may be hobbyists that never see a lady twice. Some hobbyists like to sample every flower in the field.