Unique experience recently, wondering what others think. Large East coast city, large atrium style hotel, keycard required for elevators. One of several hotels within the same chain in the city, hotel does have a distinctive name which I sent via email 2 or 3 times. 2 hour outcall arranged via email few days prior, 50% deposit sent 2 days prior via Wishtender (10% fee, she emailed that it’s good for providers and she doesn’t use other apps), screening info requested 24 hours prior to meeting and 8 hours after deposit sent, agreed that we would meet in the room, text messages exchanged during the day prior to evening meeting including 2 hours prior (to confirm).
Multiple prior stays at same hotel, last few stays I’ve exchanged emails with management staff prior to visit, this time hotel sent a bottle of wine and some snacks to my room an hour or 2 after check-in. Have met 4-6 other providers at this hotel during the past 2 years, each has had no problems getting to the room by riding an elevator with someone else (which is why I forgot to tell her). 5 minutes prior to meeting time she calls, almost hysterical, stating I didn’t tell her keys are required for the elevator and they are kicking her out of the hotel and threatening to call the police, I could hear a male voice in the background. She hangs up in a minute or 2. I text I’m on my way down, she texts that she doesn’t want to get arrested and that they walked her outside and she’s not coming back to get arrested. I get down to the lobby 2 minutes later, no signs of commotion at all, lobby is almost empty. Text her, she texts back 2 minutes later that she’s in a taxi. I ask for a manager, ends up being the assistant manager who I met when I asked for her (based on prior emails) when I checked in a day prior. She called the sole security guard on duty who joined us. He said nothing happened, they will review security video, she said they have had experiences when other guests strongly object to people without keys trying to ride the elevators. 45 minutes later I text her an apology, she texts that she’s very upset, and annoyed her face is all over security cameras. I text another apology, she texts thanks for the apology and that it was an unfortunate episode. No further text or email replies from her including my asking very politely if she might have been at an incorrect hotel. Next morning exchanged emails and then discussed in person during check-out with Director of Operations and Director of Guest Services, they both said security videos were reviewed for 1 hour prior to 1 hour after the time of the episode, nothing seen. They say maybe she went to the wrong Xyz Hotel. Curious what others think. Was I scammed out of a 50% (+10%) deposit? Think she went to the wrong hotel? Think the hotel is lying to me? Something else? Thank you.You're asking us to guess, but I'll go with scam.
Are you telling us everything?
This reads like you’re an exceptionally detail oriented, articulate client who plans ahead well and thinks of just about everything. Then you casually gloss over the fact you just plum forgot that the elevator requires a key? Forgive me but come on man, of all the things to not forget. Is this the whole story?
If there are other hotels of the same name in that town maybe she was at the wrong place. Coulda been a scam. As Lester said, all we can do with the info you gave us is guess.
Also, hold onto your butts. Here comes the anti deposit brigade!
I’m not fully anti-deposit. I’ve paid deposits in certain situations. But 50% on a two hour session? Damn. I wouldn’t do that. Also, if she has only one way to receive the deposit and won’t deviate from that method, I’d say the fee for the website should come out of her end.
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This has scam written all over it. Giving a deposit is a risky endeavor, but a 50% deposit is a huge gamble! If she doesn't return the deposit then out her. It does no good for the rest of the community to fall victim to the same unfortunate situation you encountered. Sorry that you had to go through that bro.
So someone or even a security guard says to a guest, "I'm sorry, you need a keycard to access the upper floors."
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"Oh. I didn't know. I'm just visiting my cousin (or is he my uncle? former college prof? whatever ...) from Sheboygan who arrived yesterday."
"I'm sorry, miss. You still need a key card."
"OK. I'll just call him from the lobby and he'll come down. We're going out to a restaurant anyway."
"What is their name ...?"
"No problem, you can go back to work guarding the elevators. I've got their cell phone on redial! Thank you, anyway!"
(If necessary, ...) "I better step out to the sidewalk, I don't have a good cell signal in the lobby."
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It sounds like a scam to me and that she was nowhere near your hotel.
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Imagine: You, from the sidewalk: "All the streets are blocked off due to a fire, a robbery, and a visit from the Pope. Traffic hasn't moved an inch for at least 15 minutes. Pay the cabbie, hop out and come back."
Her: "Hello? Hello? Bad cell signal. You're breaking up. Bye-eeee!"
Unique experience recently, wondering what others think. Large East coast city, large atrium style hotel, keycard required for elevators. One of several hotels within the same chain in the city, hotel does have a distinctive name which I sent via email 2 or 3 times. 2 hour outcall arranged via email few days prior, 50% deposit sent 2 days prior via Wishtender (10% fee, she emailed that it’s good for providers and she doesn’t use other apps), screening info requested 24 hours prior to meeting and 8 hours after deposit sent, agreed that we would meet in the room, text messages exchanged during the day prior to evening meeting including 2 hours prior (to confirm).
Multiple prior stays at same hotel, last few stays I’ve exchanged emails with management staff prior to visit, this time hotel sent a bottle of wine and some snacks to my room an hour or 2 after check-in. Have met 4-6 other providers at this hotel during the past 2 years, each has had no problems getting to the room by riding an elevator with someone else (which is why I forgot to tell her).
5 minutes prior to meeting time she calls, almost hysterical, stating I didn’t tell her keys are required for the elevator and they are kicking her out of the hotel and threatening to call the police, I could hear a male voice in the background. She hangs up in a minute or 2. I text I’m on my way down, she texts that she doesn’t want to get arrested and that they walked her outside and she’s not coming back to get arrested.
I get down to the lobby 2 minutes later, no signs of commotion at all, lobby is almost empty. Text her, she texts back 2 minutes later that she’s in a taxi. I ask for a manager, ends up being the assistant manager who I met when I asked for her (based on prior emails) when I checked in a day prior. She called the sole security guard on duty who joined us. He said nothing happened, they will review security video, she said they have had experiences when other guests strongly object to people without keys trying to ride the elevators.
45 minutes later I text her an apology, she texts that she’s very upset, and annoyed her face is all over security cameras. I text another apology, she texts thanks for the apology and that it was an unfortunate episode. No further text or email replies from her including my asking very politely if she might have been at an incorrect hotel.
Next morning exchanged emails and then discussed in person during check-out with Director of Operations and Director of Guest Services, they both said security videos were reviewed for 1 hour prior to 1 hour after the time of the episode, nothing seen. They say maybe she went to the wrong Xyz Hotel.
Curious what others think. Was I scammed out of a 50% (+10%) deposit? Think she went to the wrong hotel? Think the hotel is lying to me? Something else? Thank you.
Possibility number one is she went to the wrong hotel. I done it once but it was an easy fix and the mistake. I have my doubts this is mistake is what happened as it is an easy fix. My appointment still happened 15 minutes later. Oops.
Possibly number two is she was excorted out and you were lied to. This is in my experience unlikely. Possible? Sure but I have no reason to think this is what happened.
Possibly number three is she is scamming you. This in my opinion is likely what happened. I don't do deposits for this reason. Scammers are everywhere. This is in my opinion most likely what happened. It is why I never do deposits.
Nice to see you posting here again. Hope all's well. Stick around.
I don't hobby as much now days so I don't come on as much.
if you don't hobby as much, you don't come as much. Lol
Good to see you. Happy New Year. I’m not on here much anymore either. I hardly ever post nowadays and pop in to read once in a while. Just happened to pop in today and saw your name!
What happened is that you got scammed. Wake up sunshine.
what's with you going to the hotel's security?
These guys are no dummies and they could have easily concluded that no matter what you said this gal said, you seemed to be engaged in a questionable activity.
And what if the hotel's security videos showed her kicking up a fuss and getting escorted out? Would this be a gal you would then want to be engaged in an unlawful activity? If anything, she and the hotel staff were doing you a favor.
If it were me, I would have just taken the loss and got on with my life rather than engaged in an activity that would have gotten you permanently banned from the hotel or worse.
Sorry this happened to you, but I think people ought to know that discretion is golden.
Every time you leave the house you risk getting video tapped that’s life these days. The key to enter is not a big ass deal. She could have just text & waited for you to escort her upstairs. I’m not missing out on a date because of these lame excuses. I feel bad for you because you sound, like an ideal date. Sorry love. Happy New Year!
Share her info to warn others.
Another poster already noted that you didn’t give your provider a heads up about the key card. Seems like you forgot a key detail in a detail laden plan to meet up with her.
And I doubt the hotel really spent anytime searching their security tapes to corroborate the provider’s story.
I set up a meeting with an ongoing sugar baby I had been seeing off and on for several years. She was planning a trip to SF with her family and I suggested I book a room at the same hotel so she could slip out of the room and come to my room for fun. She gave me the name of the hotel as "chain name" in San Francisco. I booked a room at the San Francisco "Chain name" and confirmed with her.
On the appointed day and time, I texted her with my floor and room number, then waited. About 10 minutes later she told me she can't find the room. I head out to hallway and wander to the elevators. Nope. I ask her to meet me in the Lobby and I head down. She agrees. When I get to the lobby, I cannot see her. She confirms she is in the lobby and can't see me.
I sent her a pic of me in the lobby pointing out distinctive landmarks. She sends me a pic of her in the lobby - and I realize she's in a different hotel. That chain had at least 7 properties in SF. I had her read the address of the hotel and looked it up. She was at the Union Square location, and I was in the Financial District location. Yikes!
I arranged an Uber to bring her to me, which took about 40 minutes due to traffic. Fun ensued and got a good laugh about it all.
It turns out her Aunt had never been to SF before and gave my SB the name of the chain, but not the specific location name. Of course, my SB was a registered guest at her hotel, so no risks of being "outed" as a SW. But lesson learned: every location detail counts, especially in a large city.
Life is good, 
So the aunt was acting as the SBs booker??
How did the aunt get involved?
The aunt wasn't involved, as far as I know. This was a Pinay SB, and if you've ever known Filippino's you know that designations like "sister" and "aunt" are rarely literal. I was only communicating with the SB. We continued to meet for several years after that.
Life is good
The Cat
Who kicks people out and threatens to call the police for someone not simply having a key card?
On the east coast too?
It's incredibly hard to believe. There are thousands of elevators that require keycards at hotels. Typically if you don't have a key card you step out of the elevator and call/text whoever is meeting you that they need to come down and get you. It's normal. It happens all the time. I've seen it happen at many hotels including Vegas. No one gives a shit unless like you're visibiy homeless or if you're barely dressed.
Given the time frame references you made, it is extremely highly unlikely that the commotion she described actually happened. Hotel people at the desk/lobby would remember the commotion if it happened just minutes prior.
Don't see providers who demand deposits, especially a 50% deposit. You just got played.
Thank you all for the insightful comments. After 20-25 years of TER membership this was one of very few scams for me and certainly the most egregious. I too avoid deposits, my failing in this situation was making plans on very short notice, not contacting other options, and believing her TER reviews (6 reviews, all from May to November 2023, 9.3 average). Thanks again everyone.
Follow up: I sent her an email apologizing again, writing that I visit that city several times each year and would still like to meet her, happy new year wishes. She emailed back thanks for the wishes, same to me and my family, and yes we could meet but incall only she’s done with outcall. I replied thank you and asked if she might have gone to an incorrect hotel. No further reply. (I have no intention to ever contact her again or meet her, was trying to (re)establish rapport in the hope she would tell me more information.) The fact that she replied to my apologetic text and email and then ignored my text and email asking if she might have made a mistake seems to be further evidence of being scammed/played.
In one of her texts in the middle of the episode she wrote that she was dressed conservative and didn’t do anything suspicious and thought she was being set up, perhaps further evidence of being scammed/played.
Lt_FrankDrebin: Your comments read like an actual detective, you’re very astute (“detail oriented, articulate client who plans ahead well and thinks of just about everything”). As others wrote “OK. I'll just call him from the lobby and he'll come down” and “She could have just text & waited for you to escort her upstairs.” and “step out of the elevator and call/text whoever is meeting you that they need to come down and get you. It's normal. It happens all the time.” (BTW, Drebin’s suspect’s assistant in the first movie, later his wife (Priscilla Presley) was stunning in those movies, she subsequently became the poster girl for “plastic surgery gone bad”.)
Should I post a review of this lady? Should I write her name in this discussion?
Thanks again everyone.
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I can’t say for sure it was an intentional scam—maybe she DID show up and found out about the elevators needing keys and freaked out about wandering the hotel and looking like she obviously was not a guest. I have met other providers who are overly paranoid they’re being set up or they’re gonna be arrested. Maybe it’s meth, or maybe they’re normal suburban soccer moms who would die if anyone found out what she’s doing. Maybe she just embellished the part about the confrontation with security? I find it hard to believe that upscale hotel chains would act that draconian towards a well dressed woman meeting a friend. I’m sure they want to watch out for trafficking, but that’s probably more of an issue for incalls than outcalls, or if the girl was obviously young and dressed whorish, which it sounds like she was not. Either way, you should get your deposit back. Have you directly asked for it back or to apply it to another appt? (Maybe Incall this time?). If she won’t give it back, then YES, definitely name her and review that she stole a few hundred dollars from you. If only to warn other guys. The purpose of the deposit is not free money to keep if you have any uncomfortable feelings about how the logistics or meeting is going. There are many other ways she could have handled that better, most obviously that she could’ve just called you from the lobby. I definitely don’t believe things happened the way she explained, but if she is that flighty she is probably in the wrong profession and is going to find other reasons to keep deposits when things don’t go perfectly. BTW this is another reason I generally don’t do deposits, even from well reviewed ladies who obviously do provide services. The thing is, once they already have the cash (especially 100% of a 1 hour visit!) , they have much less incentive to follow through, even if they really did initially intend to. Obviously they can’t keep going on very long if they were to do this full time, but a certain percentage of visits, where something didn’t go perfectly and they can blame the client? Sure. One of the few times I did pay a deposit was for a traveling lady who had lots of reviews, most of them great. I paid $200 and then was ghosted. I don’t even think she came to my city—the last review was a couple months before her supposed visit. Now it looks like she just does onlyfans.
Unsure if this was a scam, but I never, as in never, walk through a lobby of a hotel by myself. If you want me to meet you at a hotel for an outcall I will, but I will only do so if you meet me in the parking lot and we walk in together. She may did not want to admit that she went to the wrong hotel and was embarrassed. If you have no desire to see her again, why do you keep contacting her to apologize? Are you trying to get your deposit back?