There are some people who have really never worked for a wage...yet have made some significant contributions to society.  

Posted By: Skinny_Minnie

And I don't know if that's necessarily a BAD thing.  Although working yourself till death is.    
   
 I just know that things have changed a lot over the past 50 years.  At one time, it was pretty much only acceptable for a woman to be a mother/housewife, nurse, secretary, or teacher.  Then feminists started demanding equality in the workplace and women wanted to be mothers, plus work the same jobs and be paid the same as men.  
   
 Now, I guess I'm just wondering if it's totally unacceptable in this day and age for a woman to "regress" to a place where she DOESN'T want to compete with men for corporate jobs.  And having kids/getting married?  She can take it or leave it!    
   
     
   
 

Ben has introduced me to some really awesome women who want to suck and fuck me on our first meeting. I just gotta love that guy.

that aren't hookers....but simply are sluts?

We have to know how to market ourselves, size up a gentleman rather quickly to figure out what trips his trigger, and not just physically either. We have to able to put someone else's needs ahead of our own for how ever long we are with a man in P4P, and well let's face it we have to be good lovers which IMO is a learned skill.

We have to fulfill fantasies and MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY! That's not always an easy thing. We have to know how the screen for our safety and think on our feet quite a bit. At times this can be a physically demanding job and mentally taxing. But this can be rewarding and allows us freedoms hard to find anywhere else. Then there's the whole social stigma, but I digress...

To me, this a different kind of sales and marketing career. And if a lady doesn't believe in the product (HER, she'll never be a great success in this biz. Know how to market the product, believe in the product, know how to sell the product!

we work hard for the money so you better treat us right!

Steph xoxo

A woman with the time management, problem solving, computer/internet, neighbor public relations, advertising and thinking on your feet skills such as a practiced provider would likely be a far better hire than many. The only glitch would be keeping their interest/enthusiasm with a job that earns them a tenth of what they used to make.

and a "fucking little douche bag, being a douche bag"

not to mention being a douche bag who needs serious lessons in reading comprehension.  The OP is a hooker, which means by any fair definition, she works for a living. "douchebag being a douchebag" may or may not actually work for a living.

yeah, "lame fuck" sums it up pretty well.

I doubt I'd be giving a BJ for over an hour. I doubt I'd fuck for more than an hour straight (I've done up to 4 hours of straight fucking, including anal. It was emotionally and physically exhausting). I doubt I'd let someone put a finger up my ass.  

Will not do the things you've just described for all the reasons you describe?

A lot of time and planning goes into this "job"! Most ladies travel to different markets, pay for hotels airfare, ect. I highly doubt the women giving it away for free work as hard to find our target market, or niche, plan trips all over the country, or do some of the things we do.

If they (the sluts) meet a guy out somewhere, like him and fuck him, that's sport fucking to her. I seriously doubt she had a calendar on a website with her travel schedule on it. If some guy isn't what she expects him to be after getting behind closed doors, unless he's a rapist, she can either leave or give him the boot. Most of us try to make lemonade out of lemons if he ain't the greatest thing since sliced bread or has BO, or ain't so hot between the sheets. As long as he something we can WORK with, that's what most will do, WHY? You know the answer, it's our job and yeh it's work as well. Unconventional, yep but it's work none the less. And a lot of the time it's fun but a lot of peeps actual like their work.

So yes I think a slut works less at what we do because it's just casual sex-PERIOD for them and if they aren't feeling it, no problem to bail!

Steph

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Women who want an income still need to work even when they are not corporate material.

Who wouldn't do ANY of what I described. Unless, she wasn't successful. Pretty much everything I listed (with the exception of 4-hour sex, and letting a guy finger an ass - which MANY guys will do w/o asking, by the way) is very standard. BJ's get tiring, and sometimes guys just take a long time. We just have to deal with it until they come or until an absurd enough amount of time has passed for us to switch to a massage and call it quits. Likewise, if he starts making me sore, I REALLY can't tell him sex is over. Unless, I want to read about it in some 5-2 review, lol.  

it was Time magazine within the past 6 weeks. But there also a lot of books saying pretty much the same thing.......

Why the heck would anyone want to "work" in 2014? Pursue those other interests til your boobs fall off and have fun. Hopefully have some savings left over for the rainy days though.

art = dumb  

That post alone might win it for him. Damn, and I thought that Fungy had a clear field ahead of him if Pimples was out of the running.

If it were anyone else, I might be able to make a case that "he was just joking" but we all know better than that.

The mother will most likely be forced to stay home at least for a little while or longer. I have a child and know that there are far more things to do while raising a kid than holding a full time job. On the other hand, a married girl who has No kid yet has perfectly marketable skills who sits home for more than a few years doing absolutely nothing, doesn't want to pursue a career of some sort to make something of herself, I'd think that she lacks ambition and I would be tempted to dump her and find some other more ambitious girl. More than likely I'd still be with her and try to get her to make something of herself, or be raising my kid or something. A year sebatical traveling and enjoying life,  certainly fine by me though but I've had girls stay with me doing nothing for longer than that. It largely depends on how successful the girl is, (or if married,  how successful both of you are)  if you're married to someone who's already financially independent or had a large inheritance or won the lotto somehow then there are absolutely no limits to how long you can pursue your other interests.

If a woman does not want to get married and be supported financially, unless she is independently wealthy, there aren’t many options other than working.  And if women are working the same job as a man, yes, we damned well expect to be paid the same salary as a man. You and blame the fact that that discrepacy is gradually closing on feminists.

There is no one so consistently, bizarrely stupid

The fact a woman may(or most likely will have to work) and may not want to is a practical statement...

I simply stated that the sex portion of this isn't work.  You've agreed with that now.  

Make less than their male co workers?  

as long as she's doing something productive. e.g. raisng kids, volunteering etc.

based on that service and only that service?  

simply because she is doing the same work? Do you not realize that experience plays a part in compensation? Men get paid more, in general, because they have more experience and time on the job.

You are assuming I think lesbians are less womanly than non-lesbians.  

who has to soak her va jay jay that the sex part wasn't work, lol. And duck and watch out for flying objects when you do. Ask a lady when she's back from a "tour" if she takes at least a day off and why.

Where do you think the term Sex Worker came from? One of my points is that a "slut" as you said, can get up and go if something isn't exactly to her liking. I doubt she's fucking as much as the average lady on a 3-5 day tour trying to make bank, make her clients happy, see the guys who want to see her (this includes SEX). That includes some guy with no skills. We have to TRY and make it work out. Now I only see guys I like in and out of the sack.

Trust me from 2005-2010 I could and did rock and roll on tour. For me I found out 4/day was too much but 3 wasn't. Ask your gal pals how many are SORE physically coming off a tour. Ask them if they've ever been sore and tired but had ONE more guy to see that day/night and wasn't going to piss him off by cancelling when she really wasn't running on all cylinders. Or god forbid, wasn't going to lose the money? Most ladies put on a smile and take care of business.  I'm not saying this to make anyone feel sorry for the ladies here. But to say it's not work is just not true. Most of the time the work is fun, but not always. Just like 99% of people who work  have days that just plain suck so do we but this job is a physical one.

I'm not able to make the money I did pre 2012 or the same way. I had to rebrand myself. I will not travel now without an "anchor" date. That would be a date of at least 4 hrs. I can't because I will not be able to cover my expenses to get there and back plus make a profit just winging it now. I don't do winging it anymore. It is what it is. I'll try HARDER than I will in my personal life now when I'm working because I'm about having a guy leave HAPPY. And physically it can take a toll even if I see ONE guy a day when travelling. But I'm having fun until I get back home and don't leave my house for 2 days! I'm just happy now to be back in the saddle working again!

So if sometimes I feel some wear and tear I can tell you a lot of other ladies who can rock and roll definitely feel it.

So you and I will just have to not see eye to eye on this my friend. Hey it doesn't happen that often.

Still your bud though,

Steph











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He makes you look smart too.

As opposed to the majority? Of women....that's deep.  

Ok. I see what you are saying. But I certainly hope you don't think that providers don't work.  
There is allot of work involved in what we do. wither were an Escort or an FBSM provider or anything else.  
If you talking about employment by other company  such as agency, retail, sales, accounting, etc. Honestly that's non-of your concern but to satisfy your curiously here are my thoughts.

If a woman who has all the skills to be, say, a bill collector, but she doesn't like that sort of employment--finds it boring and stressful--decides instead to sit at home and write a novel, that, IMO, is quite admirable. Women go for years bouncing around in various modern dance schools and various companies--instead of just taking a straight job--and they know that the chances of ever making any great amount of money at this are slim.

There are volunteer firefighters and ones who make their living that way...are you saying that's not work?

To work or not is one of them and it is no ones business to to judge them. We have enough judgmental people in this country who, are more interested in what others do than themselves.  

for what? No one knows.

Why else would someone "volunteer" to do something that others are paid for?

But I challenge you to find ANY slut, who's been put through what I have been put through, and who pushed through it even though she didn't want to be there. (Caveat: she has to be sane)  

Well..of course they are.  But rarely have I seen a review that speaks of "2 hour BJ's"...or "upside down hanging from the ceiling CG".  Most of the published ones discuss babbling...cuddling...maybe 8-15 minutes of some sex.

Once again you prove to be a dullard with no imagination

You also ignore what I believe to be fact. The majority of Americans do not work corporate jobs, or hold college degrees.

You make me look smart.

While I used to work for an agency (last one was 4 years ago), I am NOT a high-volume chick. That was an overnight I described. Overnights and the like are rarely reviewed. But even if he did review me, he'd probably gloss over the amount time, and just say he 'got a nice long BJ' and that I was very patient, or something like that. The dude I f***ed for 4 hours never said that he took that long. He just detailed number of pops, etc.  

Why would I give it away for free?

Did imaginations exist before there were brains

Let's not lose in the translation my initial post however.  I am not mixing in my comments that many gals in P4P don't have BF/GF sex for their own reasons...much of which seems to be due to the issues of letting a partner know of their sexwork.

I loved my sport - still do - but you better believe I hated getting up every day at 5AM. Hated some of the dreaded workouts, hated lifting weights, etc. I remember once, my team had an interview with a very high-level and renowned athlete (you'd instantly know the name)...we asked her if she ever hated practice. She looked at us in such a way that you could tell she thought it was a dumb question. Of course she hated practice! Nobody hears the alarm go off at 5AM and thinks 'OH GOODY! Another grueling workout!! WOO HOO!!! CAN'T WAIT!!!" I think the fact that athletes don't refer to it as 'work' is just more of a question of semantics.  

Do you like to shop?  Do you consider that "work"?  

Prostitution has been around since the dawn of man (I think there's still a hooker or two on here who might recall that?).  As well I can see that there are some dudes here who are also old enough to remember writing those early reviews...albeit it's still on the side of caves.

ow raising the national minimum wage is going to help improve the U.S. economy in a global market place.

Having been (as you can probably tell) a very serious athlete, who DID get up at 5AM 6 days per week for quite a few years straight (only a few weeks off, here and there)...I find many parallels between sex work, and sport. The physical exertion, the discipline required. The ability to lose yourself in some mantra during the most strenuous moments of a 'workout'. The ability to use something to keep motivated at the hardest, most painful part of the 'race'. I don't doubt for a minute, that I would not have been so successful a provider, had I not been an athlete first. Both sports and providing, have their great moments and their sucky moments. But you're right, you do it for the love...if you don't love SOMETHING (besides the $, or trophy) you'll just resent everything.

if she wants to have kids?" Dipshit, it's not a choice, her sexuality is being attracted to WOMEN not men. It's her sexual orientation, it's how she's wired.

Now I'm done 'cause you really are TSTTT.

prone on the gym floor in your yoga pants.  One of the most naturally sexy shots shots of you I've ever seen. Might as well make this a theAD.  But they might not allow it in a post.  I dare you to email it to the Doc.  He'll need to take a double does of Lisinopril.

Of course there are disparities in salaries based on years of experience, and women do pay a professional penalty when they drop out of the workforce to have children. And even when a women returns to the workforce after having a child, it is much more likely that she will continue to be the one who puts her work life secondary to taking a day off if the kid(s) are sick, or leaving early to drive the kids to extracurricular events.  

Under various handles, Johny's been showing off his stupidity here for a long, long time.  If you like stupid, he's the gift that keeps on giving.

We set up trade and building so as to meet our needs, then share the goods unequally as coin. Most people are serfs to the corporate system. If there's something you want to do, you take on the work of doing it. Want to bike across the country? Great adventure, hard work. Some people have been serfs for so long they aren't able to take on the work of an adventure. A lot of us spending time energy and money on P4P just aren't up to going out and slaying another dragon these days.

Where does a loser like this get the unmitigated gall to look down on anyone?  I mean, I'd actually have felt sorry for him if I'd read his other post and not the one he just put up.  Wanker.

I agree with you that woman and men should get the same pay (all else being equal, ie education, experience, competence, etc.) and I do realize that it is not always the case that pay is equal, but 30% disparity sounds excessive. I have never seen that much disparity in any field I have ever worked in. I also don't personally know anyone male or female who makes that much more or less than a counterpart of the opposite sex.

Here is an article from the liberal Salon magazine completely debunking her bullshit. They would be quite shocked to learn they are living in 1960 as well. Lol.

If you want to know why so many women RUN from the word "feminist" it is because they are associated with unjustifiable men bashing and made up stats

And, the numbers swing. Depending on a particular professional field, or an economic strata,  the % varies from 30ish % to 20ish %.  Women who are part of a union clearly do much better; with the pay gap leaning more towards 10%.  

I have now quoted a left wing, a right wing and a bi-partisan, independent source completely debunking not only your 30% nonsense but the 23 cents per dollar myth.  

There is a gap between men and women's salaries. This is an indisputable fact. Do you think the Bureau of labor statistics is lying? We could debate the reasons why, or the % points of that gap until tues next month, and we still won't have resolved this; or agreed.  

Yes, men make more than women. Duh. No one is arguing that. It's the REASONS why that are all important to this debate. Duh, part two.

This would be thinking like a fucktard.  

Women make less money than men. duh.  

Where does any of that factor into America's economy becoming more competitive

I would spend my life traveling and pursuing hobbies, such as painting and sculpting.  I would also give back because I believe in such, choosing charities and causes that resonate with me.

Who cares what other people think? Make yourself happy!