Using the world acclaimed TER scoring on appearances...would you really "turn your head" if you saw many of these gals (that your fellow reviewers, myself included) have generously given out 8-10 appearance scores?

If you had the opportunity to modify all your prior scores (with NO retribution from the gals...heck, you probably aren't seeing most of them anymore anyhow  LOL)...would you simply use a real world (seems like most would be in the 4-6 area) evaluation now...especially if you've had some experience in this P4P world.

That's OK guys...feel free to use that alias here.  I wouldn't want that gal pal of yours to go BSC on you when you acknowledge that she's just an OK (as in average...as most people are) looking gal.

When a lady has a phat ass, I always take notice.

if she does provide and what the experience would be like.  God put the female body on earth for guys too salivate over.

I'm reading that you see some IRL hotties...but since the TER scoring stops at 10 how can the IRL 10's be compared to the ones that your fellow reviewers are giving those 8-10's to?

Or are you simply suggesting that any gal that gets naked with you is a 10?  

out there is there .... well here the is and even rod found his 10/10 gee this place is great ...;..

Why is it frowned upon for man, to exploit the most lovely resource on earth ?

there are 8 to 10's in abundance. I've had several friends visit from the east coast and they are amazed at the amount of hard bodies running around. Going to the grocery store is great! Most of the milfs are either in their spandex workout clothes or yoga pants. Makes shopping fun! And bolt on's are the norm.

Females were put here to help keep men n check I believe. If not 4 women men would just lay around eating and gambling haha. With the addition of women, men now have incentive to be clean, hunt, gather, and refrain from public displays of scratching/burping/farting

Yes. Absolutely. With the 9's and 10's I'd be picking my tongue up off the ground.

Exploit: to use selfishly for one's own ends: employers who exploit their workers.....perhaps it wouldn't be frowned upon if a man ENJOYED the most lovely resource on Earth instead....

Possibly - depends on the mall though - but I am a middle aged horndog who would nail nearly anything that moves.  8 to 10 at Phipps Plaza in Atlanta would probably get missed - at Northlake Mall, they would stand out.   Yeah - TER 8-10 is inflated.

When I give an appearance number, I find out what everybody else gives and I give that.  Honestly, the pictures are available, if they are even reasonably accurate, you know what she looks like.  Why do you need ME to tell you whether that girl is an 8, 10 or a 2.  All you need me to do is to tell you whether the pictures were accurate.  .. but as it turns out women (especially these women) are really hung up on this.  I get it.    Yeah - the TER scores are inflated. Who gives a flying fuck.....

Causing a provider to concentrate on ANYTHING but pleasing me the next time I see her ain't something I am interested in.  If giving her a 10 might possibly increase the enthusiasm, suction, duration and quality of my next BJ as a thank you for helping her marketing out - guess what I am gonna do.  NOT a matter of worrying about BSC.....

TER really needs to ditch the appearance number completely and the performance number is only marginally better

Are only going to accentuate the positive.  

 
LMAO, I'm still looking for the words to explain this to a young woman. With out giving her the impression that all men are pigs.

Like any other natural resource. Example: if I sold you a piece of land for profit. My actions would be celebrated... if I sold you time with a lady for profit, my actions would be demonized.

Both are natural resources.       I'm down with the above concept.

 

*Disclaimer* We are objectifying women in this thread.

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A TER "J-Lo" ass is usually a real world "Jell-O" ass.

I no it's not a comforting thought. For the sake of discussion, I am viewing females as a resource, not as women or people. While asking this question

as asinine as trying to rate her performance on scale of 1-10

Someone is either beautiful in someone's eyes or not..  That being said some women are just plain ugly.  Can someone be soo friggin' ugly, that by universal standards they cannot be called beautiful. Well, I will have to consult the Universal Association for Beautiful People, headed by the ex super hooker London Rayne, and her sidekick Tobi Telford, and get back to you guys.. But I think I know my answer...

But baring few outliers, I think beauty is a lot subjective... So, yes there are 1s and 2s of the world, but trying to bicker about 7s, 8s, 9s, and 10s...is just plain stupid.. IMHO

My ex gf was a solid 11 on scale of 1-10 in my eyes... Sorry you boys and girls don't see it that way...

I'm sure getting ogled gets pretty tiring. I've been with a few knockouts and they know how to dress down and blend in. I'm sure there are "10s" among us that fly under the radar.

The girls I saw really were 8,9, 10 and we'll deserving of it IMO.  
As for the hot girl walking in a mall, of course I'd notice.  What was the question again?  

Every lady I reviewed here would definitely still turn my head, if I saw them out and about. I stand by my ratings.

But I have seen 8's and 9's around in the world. most women fall in the 6-7 categories.  I am perfectly happy to see a gal whom I consider a 7 or above.  Even a 6 is OK if she has 7 or above in service.  In real life, looks are relied upon too much when judging how they think a gal will perform in bed.  Looks are not everything.

I suppose an IRL 10 would have to be about a 16 on the TER scale.

I know the answer you are going for, and I have to agree. IRL 4 = TER 7-8, IRL 6 = TER 9-10 IRL 10 = TER OTB.

Truth be told I stopped paying much attention to the TER numerical scoring system years ago. Except to make a mental note to myself that a lady who routinely gets 7's here, most likely is too homely for me to even consider seeing professionally.

I'd like to change that in the future.  There was a civie or 3 that was a 10...  back before the dawn of time.

But was actually asking if guys would change scores to reflect the IRL scale on their TER reviews.

I did suggest that if the hookers wouldn't go BSC and out them and such  LOL

No surprise at the typical replies either.  Most guys have never been within earshot of a gal that was IRL a 9 or 10.  So to make up for that deficiency they give anyone without a penis (and who knows..maybe one or two with one) those 9's and 10's to feel good about themselves.

FWIW I posted now nearly three years ago that I would downgrade across the board on my appearance scores at least 2...more likely 3 points on average.

Most gals are average looking (4-6 as I posted earlier).  I guess when some gal is willing to get naked and suck a cock that makes her look better.  But that wasn't what my post was seeking   LOL

Just enjoy the eye candy, and if the opportunity to hit on them presents itself, well, then go for it!  As for comparing them to the ladies I know, there's no comparison.  A lady in bed with you without clothing is as good as life gets, and if she's not attractive to you, then why are you seeing her in the first place?

Have you ever googled, "celebrities without makeup?" If not, try it.

The scale of 1-10 should be a based on how accurate a ladies photos are.  

Beauty has always been in the eye of the beholder.

I think my appearance scores are justified, and I'm sure plenty are.

I won't be modest here in saying I do turn heads and am typically the most beautiful woman in a room.

That said, my idea of a head turner is not the same as someone else's. Some have higher and lower standards.

Looks and sex are 2 different things. I've been with some pretty hot guys and yet my most memorable and best partners haven't been model types. Coincidence? I used to think so. But now not so much.

Though I am hardly qualified to sit on the board for the Universal Association for Beautiful People, this shit is so subjective that it's astounding to me that y'all continue to argue about it, especially in terms of a numerical scale. Beauty is entirely too abstract to suggest that one guy is being "too generous" when he dishes out an 8-10, or "too critical" when he dishes out a 1-3. There are way too many factors to consider, way too many variables, and way too much subjectivity when it comes to standards of beauty that it's just asinine to try and qualify it with something as concrete as a number.  

Allow me to offer an example (I'll rate dudes in this case): most American women would consider Brad Pitt to fall somewhere in the 9-10 range. Me? I give him a 6 on a good day. Johnny Depp, on the other hand, is what I consider to be a 17 on the 1-10 scale. What's particularly beautiful to me is JD's unique, rugged features. He is most certainly not without flaws, and I find that both fascinating and beautiful. Sure, Brad is a handsome guy, but there's nothing particularly unique or physically special about him. If you were to ask my sister to compare the two, she'd pick Brad every time, and tell you she thinks JD looks "dirty." As another celebrity example, I once read that when Leonardo DiCaprio and Giselle Bundchen did some charity work in Africa, the natives laughed at their skinny bodies, pale skin and defined facial features.  

Point is, this is just a moot topic because of the subjectivity. Everybody is beautiful to someone, and everybody is ugly to someone. Deal with it.  

I was commenting on whether any dudes here would consider modifying their "appearance" scores if given the chance.

Looks were the only point of the OP.  We can discuss performance on a different thread...although it's meaningless to me to discuss that.  

I wasn't implying that anyone hooking is ugly...simply that most people are average looking.  And in this corner of the world that same rule applies.  Hence most hookers would only be in the 4-6 range for appearance.

But since that mentality seems to not exist here and that nearly every gal earns 9's and 10's...seems like they must be the outliers in the world?  Nah...we could go to any public venue and never see anyone remotely close to a IRL 9 or 10.  I guess they're all here on TER  

If you remember the Revenge of the Nerds movie the "Jocks" were duds because all they thought about was football where as the "Nerds" weren't because all they thought about was sex  

I would say for the reasons you mention about why some of these guys just have no standards is the other half.

Even in the civvie world I am with guys who literally drool over women that I wouldn't fuck with Tardwell's dick. I mean these guys think that women who are fortyish and 40 lbs overweight are drop dead gorgeous and fawn over these manatees. I guess when your wife is 60 and 80 lbs overweight it must do something to your standards. lol

My point was simply that MY perception of beauty is that a gal who is a 10 in my eyes is just that.  The question is how often have I (or you or anyone else) seen that 10 IRL.  

If one wants to believe that the ratings here are a fair commentary on that is fine.  

However I wanted to know if anyone would go and NOW change up their scores to reflect their life experiences of seeing people to be commensurate with the scores that they've dished out here over the years.

Nothing more than that.

As I've said a few times here....most people are in the 4-6 range.  Why that wouldn't translate on TER is IMHO the outlier.  Guys seem to have no issues in classifying average (to below average) women as 9's and 10's.  Hence it skews the real curve of relative "beauty".

I guess they do that shit at most of the Ivy league schools on grades as well  

and I want to preface this by saying I really don't think I am all THAT great looking....  
But I must have something attractive emanating from my being (more attractive then the average beaver.. haha) since there has been many many occasions over the years that men have noticed me out in public, recognized me, then contacted me saying  they HAD to make an appointment after actually seeing me in public while my photos didn't do that much for them on the website and in ads.    

maybe I just look nastier in person.. ?  ha ha    

point being.. some of us seem to warrant more praise from our public appearances.  

and, of course... one mans trash is another mans treasure.   Plus don't all women look like 10's when your dick is stuck in their mouths.... ha h

I particularly love the dudes who give nothing but 9's and 10's and babble that they are "picky" in who they see...hence the 9's and 10's only.  But only a few who commented on this thread actually get what you and I are saying.

As for IRL hotties...it's nice to have a kid in the film industry.  No shortage of hot young actresses to see as comparison.  I'll bet a few of them might even be hookers  LOL

But when you take the total gals that are here and see the skewed ratings...guys seem to give them an 8 if she just shows up.  And if she'll do a BBBJ on the dude she's at a 9.  Nevermind that they are with a gal on the north side of 50 and 50# over her high school weight.  But there are plenty of U40 that haven't seen a gym in years as well...and U30 that couldn't get a dude to check them out in public if they paid them.  But here...they're told how "hot" they are...and corroborated with 9's and 10's.  

It must be true if some random john said so  

END OF MESSAGE

I've only given one 10 for appearance ever, Dodda Venett (when my TER handle was Stimulus-Package).  She is drop dead gorgeous, IMO.  Been in public with many for whom I've given 9s and 8s.  Heads turn left and right when we go by, and they certainly ain't staring at me.  At least the ladies I chose are much better looking than the average civie woman.

And very much close to home.  My wife considers Mr. Depp to be the Hottest Male on the Planet Earth.  And that is extraordinary... not that she would consider him hot, but that she would have a physical attraction to ANY male (very low libido, and other issues).  I've had providers and other women tell me I'm "model material".  (And yes, it is not lost on me that I paid for that opinion from the providers.)   But my wife doesn't think I'm so hot.  To each his/her own.  

But to the question at hand... I have given only one "10" for Appearance on TER.  If given the chance today, I would change that score.  But only if I could give her a higher score.    And yes, I would definitely notice her at a mall - or anywhere else she might grace with her presence.  She is an absolutely stunning woman, from head to toe.  For the providers I've rated 8 or 9 in Appearance, I might change only one of those scores, if I could: from a 9 to an 8.  I can't change the score because the lady has retired from the hobby.  I gave her the 9 because I honestly thought she was "model material", for a woman her age (mid-40s), when I met her.  But in retrospect, I think her wonderful personality and sensuality affected my scoring.  And I believe that happens a lot IRL.  Think about someone you know who radiates charm, who glows with vitality and love of life.  Might not they seem more attractive in your mind than someone with superior physical attributes but who is a "downer"?  That difference in personality likely will not come across in photos, but is apparent only when you meet the person.  Hence the difficulty in assessing someone's appearance only from photos.

most women who do this are above average, meaning they are between 6-7, nice to attractive...which is completely fine because the goal is to have sex and not to stare at someone, I believe my average is right on point, above nice.  

Unfortunately, a scoring based system is always going to be biased and rigged when judges are not well versed in the particular subject or impartial. Judging beauty is like judging art, who has the right answer? Some say: "good visual art looks stunningly right and, in retrospect, obvious, or inevitable-- yet it's also continually surprising. It is a powerful paradox. How can someone have possibly made this? How in the world could it not have been made?"

I am simply glad I was made.

looks (speaking for a lot of women in general) as looks only go so far in many depts here. You always wonder about the beautiful woman with the not so attractive guy...well there's your answer. It's simply about 'treatment' and a serious 'connection' that overrides all that other stuff. Hell I've dated many 'model' types and that was all fine and dandy, but yet like Cosette said, personally some of my best 'connections' intimately were with gentlemen on the complete opposite side of the coin. And those are the encounters I remember...and well. Truly mind blowing and great learning experiences to be able to be with 'all' types of men....and to never judge a book by it's cover, cause you just never know what's underneath.  

I think it basically boils down to 'chemistry' between two people and nothing more. Chemistry is typically a combination of many different things but one of which is never looks. And 'chemistry' can most certainly be found in this world, don't let anyone tell you differently  

Beauty is only skin deep...and 'attraction' comes in many different forms w the opposite sex, at least for me that is.

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they should remove the scoring for looks. Let people themselves make decisions based on the pictures whether they want to call her 5, 7 or 10. or 11...

I HAVE seen a woman I'd had a session with out in the everyday world. Not in the mall, but sitting in a waiting room along with another half dozen of us. I didn't review this woman at the time of the session, but if I had I would have given her very high marks. Maybe a 9.

In the session, she wore a sexy outfit, was dolled up nicely, and presented herself as gorgeous.

In the waiting room she wore a hoodie, sweater, jeans, sneakers...you get the picture. She wasn't trying to look beautiful, although her clothes were fresh, clean, consciously color-coordinated, again, you know what I'm talking about. She was presentable in public, but rather dowdy, quite pedestrian.

The difference was extreme enough that until I overheard her say a couple of words to another lady in the room, I wasn't really sure that she was indeed the provider I'd seen a few months prior. I discretely refrained from any conversation with her.

So how she presented in session and how she presented out in the world, in this case, was an apples/oranges comparison. If I'd seen her at a the Baked Potato, assuming she was dressed appropriately for a night on the town, the comparison might've been closer.

Now, the OP cited the location as a "mall," and in my experience MOST women don't try to make a fashion statement when they go to the mall. Or maybe they only SOMETIMES do. And I'm in LA and the OP is in Chicago, so there might be a slight cultural difference as to how people dress for such outings. Things are more casual here. When I lived in Eastern and Midwestern cities, dressing well was almost a social survival factor.

I evaluate the woman who opens the door to a session as to how well she "plays the part" of some manifestation of beauty, and score her based on that, not on the looks of "the actor playing the role" so to speak.

I've done a lot of dinners with gals I've reviewed and watched many guys' heads do a Linda Blair and nearly walk into walls.  I am specifically thinking of Destiny Delight, Kayla Daze, Rasha, Vivienne Emanuelle, Brenda Boobies, and Chloe Carter.  I gave all these gals either a 9 or a 10 for looks and I think most of these gaping guys would agree.
I attended another dinner at which Devin Davette was the date of another monger and she got her fair share of looks as well.
Probably the most blatant was a late dinner with Vivienne, during which the male at the table next to us couldn't stop turning his head to stare at her every 30 seconds or so, despite the fact that his mousy wife was directly across from him.  I bet he still hasn't gotten laid.

women I have been with in the "boudoir" than they would get out in public. Mainly because those girls exude so much sexiness and come off so dam hot from the way they interact with me. I use more than just my visual senses when scoring them but do realize that some of my 9s would only be 8s or possibly 7s at best out in the everyday world. One of my ATFS in particular only has to get next to me and my heart starts racing!

As far as where I live I am around honest to God 9s and 10s everyday, which is probably why I am so horny all the time

there are degrees to the subjectivity and on I am on the camp that the average of the numbers do tell us something meaningful as long as there are tons of scores to make a meaningful average, subtracting the review manipulations.  

doing away with numbers would not be a good idea. I think it can be improved by separating them and identifying the typical client profiles who see them on average for that score.  it would make a more meaningful interpretation of the scoring,  IMO.

The Hotel Coral Essex.  But at night...

Of course, it also doesn't hurt that I've got a HUGE.......................................wallet.

What brought me to TER (and Vegas), were all the ladies that are 8+.

Not only are all the ladies I have seen an 8; but they also are very nice people.

It's because he has a fatter wallet! Be truthful here in the civie world you even consider dating the assistant manager of Walmart for any length of time anyway chemistry or not. If your answer is yes ok I will take your word for that.

But I think he's referring to a pimp who makes money by exploiting women.  In the case of an independent provider, of course, she's exploiting her clients' need for gratuitous sex.  And that's fine with me.

Iono. One of the most beautiful women I've seen in my short life was strolling around in Rising Sun. Perfect auburn hair, a great but and a walk to die for. Not all IN girls are bad looking.

EOM

in the civvie world after being here in p4p. Truthfully, I haven't really thought about it to be honest. I will have to surmise if and when I ever go back, which is very, very doubtful at this point, as I don't even look or think of that world anymore, I am certain things will never be the same after being here. This world can change you forever and not in a negative way, but in a positive way in that it can help someone view things perhaps a bit differently than before. Perhaps a clearer sense of things that weren't ever clear in the civvie world and the experiences there. I'll try and explain if I may.......  

All I can say is that there's a different 'element' here that makes sense all the way around for myself and perhaps other women too who share the same sentiment. And no, it's not the contribution part, although a necessary means for some of us. It's the thought process 'behind' that contribution made and the men who make them. I can tell you that after a year of being here, I have gained a certain 'respect' level for gentlemen who choose to 'pay' for companionship vs those gentlemen who think it's 'owed' to them free of charge. I can tell you first hand it's literally two very different types of gentlemen, different attitudes, behaviors, personalities... everything. Obviously, I think you understand which one I favor, it's who I'm drawn to, attracted to. It's just a totally different mindset and level of respect that is hard to explain that I graciously feel towards these guys who seek me out. It's literally the 'thought' behind if you really think about what is really going on here...at least that's how I see it.  

I'm not sure if that makes sense, but that's how I know it's right for me to be here. Now mind you, I am a 'tad' older than many here LOL so I view this world differently in many ways and always will. For a gentleman to want to spend his hard earned money to spend time with you, it's a beautiful, humbling and flattering experience and one I take very seriously every step of the way. I'm not a HDH by any means, but I'm certainly not inexpensive on the grand scale of things (or so I've been told many times LOL). So when a gentleman seeks me out imparticularly, they get the utmost attention over anyone else because of this 'understanding'. That's just how I see it and feel about it. So I can't really answer your question because I'm honestly not sure I will ever 'date' in the real sense ever again, or any time soon I should say. Gentlemen who don't p4p have a different thought process altogether and one I'm not sure I will ever understand. It's totally different and one I am just not favorable of on any scale no matter who he is, or what he does.

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This exploitation thing is a stone in the shoe. A man kills a deer, drags it back to camp, and shares the meet with the most desireable woman who will agree to suck him off for it, it's as simple as that.

The point of the OP is how the deer hunter appraises a woman's desireability.

The "model material" designation is kind of a monkey wrench in the grading system. Not only does it force a consensus definition of beauty, but further limits it. In the world of fashion models, for instance, women with DDs would either be handicapped or disqualified because the clothes wouldn't drape well on them, but personally, I find women with large breasts very attractive. So, in the TER ranking system, sometimes I feel like I have to give a busty escort either an 8 or a 10. And since each woman is unique the only way I could honestly claim that I found her a "once in a lifetime experience" is if I was quite certain that I would never visit her again.

Now, are there women I've given high scores to that I would have to downgrade? Based solely on reflection, probably not. But based on a second booking, often times yes.

So does the ranking "exploit" this "valuable resource" by trying to quantify something subjective and abstract?

Does how the reviewers' consensus exploit the individual hobbyist who's trying to determine who he might most enjoy being with?

Does exploitation even have meaning?

No formal answer is possible, so these questions can only best be answered with subsistive responses.

Part of the reason that entering this business ever occurred to me, was because guys looked at me a certain way when I was in public...men I knew, men I didn't know, men I didn't want to know. I can't be alone in that...it seems obvious that women who are desirable to men, might eventually figure out that they can make some money from that fact rather than just enduring stares and  cat-calls...

BUT, I am 8-9, occasionally a 10, occasionally a 7, on the TER scale. Might have had something to do with the fact that I have never once requested a review or brought that subject up with a client (I think it makes the encounter feel too commercial)?

Not saying any of this to brag (it has long since ceased to matter to me), just to make a point.

Edited to say: I also do not think I deserve better scores, mine seem to be fair. Not that I would mind a few 10's..but  .  I am not willing to do what it takes. -- Modified on 4/5/2014 4:34:19 PM

and I keep spare neck collars in the car for unexpected whiplash. And O2 for hyperventilation.

No need for "mulligans" on the scores, IMO. Yeah, I could challenge a point here or there... I've debated "8/9" or "7/8" in my mind before committing in a review. But doing it over would probably just even out... maybe I gave one outstanding lady a "7" that probably should have been an "8", and another a "9" that should have been an "8". Neither has much impact for the lady or my self, and a score +/-1 is well within the range of subjectivity and personal taste differences.  

I've had a few emails asking why I scored as I did, but no "horrible backlash" as some say they have seen. Lesson: If you're debating, round up! These are women we're talking about, after all! lol

I'll stick by my scores. And FWIW, I'm in the camp that numerical scores are BS and should be done away with anyway.

Of all the places I personally was ever cat-called or hit on, the mall was not one of them. I shoot down your analogy.

And I can count the number of posters here who've actually met me on the fingers of one hand. The rest of you will continue to grasp at air.  Sometimes, hot air! LMAO!

wallet Nick, LOL, but you did touch on an 'interesting' topic and what I call...'The Social Setting' in this world. Now, I think I would wager, you quite enjoyed going out to dinner with these gorgeous women and in having them on your arm perhaps 'almost' just as much as the bedroom setting beforehand. Is that a correct assumption?

I will also assume as I have seen it firsthand, there are some men who measure other men by the beauty of a woman on their arm that evening. (Yes, I am making a very 'broad' statement strictly by my own observation over the years I might add.) But I wonder, would you agree? I actually have a name for this too, I call it the 'Secret Code of Men'. I will also add to that wager that when you were out with these stunners, you also received what I call the 'Anonymous Nod of Approval' from random fellow men in that social setting as well LOL. Did you not?  

I think it's an interesting facet to this world and one I have become quite comfortable with being that most of my dates here in p4p 'begin' in the social setting much like that of a real 'date'. But the difference between you and I Nick is that where mine 'begin', yours 'end' and I feel as though you may be missing out on some very fun 'foreplay' in the after sense lol. Of course there's no right or wrong way, it's just how it works for me and the gentlemen I have seen. May I suggest if you haven't tried this, to give it a shot. It is a whole other ballgame my friend lol. ;

END OF MESSAGE

sexual identity and moral crises. A simple case of "transference" here, in the classic psychological clinical sense.  

And we used to think he was merely enigmatic. smh

First of all, it's impossible for me to compare the pleasure of sitting across from a beautiful woman at dinner with having hot sex.  I'll take the latter every time.  But, yes, I do enjoy the company of beautiful women, especially when they're smart and funny.  And I happen to deeply appreciate the whole vibe of a woman who embraces this lifestyle.
I really have no idea if any men looked at me and "measured" me because of my companion.  In fact, given the beauty of the ladies I listed, I don't think many of the men even noticed me.  If they did, I'm sure they wondered -- briefly -- what the hell is she doing with HIM?  Then I'm sure it occurred to them I must have lots of money.  And honestly, I don't ever recall seeing any guy give me an "Anonymous Nod of Approval."  I can understand why you might think that, but most of them passed like ships in the night, on their way to walk into the nearest wall or be beaten by their wife.
Last, if you meant that my dates start with sex and sometimes end with dinner, you're right.  I prefer it that way but am happy to switch things around if she wants.  Also, most of these women are friends with whom I'll spend OTC time on a regular basis.  It's like dating in reverse, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
There are many ways to enjoy this world.  Mine is only one of them

always notice 'her' first but you hit the nail on the head and my point...'after' they noticed her, they most certainly notice... 'you' being 'with' her. Maybe you've never seen it personally yourself, but OMG if I told you how many times I've seen it. Two guys singularly looking at each other, complete strangers, 'after' he's scoped the lady out, with that 'you go dude' look and that quiet, small lil nod hahaha. I'm shocked it never happened to you quite honestly, especially with the bevy of beauties who've entertained you over the years and you, them lol.  

Really, not one lil nod? Shocked.

But yes you are correct, there are numerous ways to enjoy this world and each of us only has a small part of that in our own little way.

Sorry, but...keep thinking of stuff...

I would venture to say that I have felt more desirable, and more attractive...outside of the hobby, than in. I find hobbyists more critical, actually, than guys have met in real life. I am not 22, blonde, skinny (tho I am not fat) or petite...so it seems to always make me too [[insert word here]] for some. If I were younger and insecure, I think this lifestyle would be be very hard on ny self-image...

I too have met those girls who are rated 9 and 10, and I am like, "Whaaaaaat???" They charge more than me, lol. So I get what you are saying. But I also associate that with girls who lean very heavily on scores to earn money and rely heavily upon TER reviews in their marketing strategy...

If a girl doesn't mention reviews...doesn't request them...doesn't encourage them...she will not be as apt to receive inflated scores. In my experience.

consider "any gal that gets naked with me being a 10."

than any other area in the USA.

If I were on that bed with him, the sheets would be MUCH more disheveled. Christ he's beautiful.

He's also 50 years old.

Damn, he got old fast.

Looking at ladies asking myself, "would I pay for an hour with her?" And if so, "how much?"

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For me it is all about chemistry.  And I have been with women who were visually fabulous but for one reason or another, just simply a turn off.  Chemistry can be purely physical for a while, but eventually the true person cannot be hidden (unless you are oblivious.)  The complexities of the soul, the mind, and the woman are what turns me on.  Not a problem to be solved, but a mystery to be pursued.  It is all about the journey.  If the path is a straight line, then any idiot can follow and stay on the course.  What challenge is that?

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yup your a fun one like your older sister with the new weird name ... yes I don't like it...lol  

Girls were drooling over me....    

 


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ya gotts ta save that 10/10......ooops you didn't ..

I mean, if I'm with a gorgeous woman, why would I be looking at some dude? I don't need his validation.  And I'd much rather be looking at the lady.  One thing I can tell you for sure, she's always looking straight ahead.  She doesn't need to see anyone else's reaction to know she rocks.

I stand by my appearance scores because they represent how I felt AT THE TIME; I don't much care about arbitrary standards of beauty or what anyone else thinks.  In fact I gave 10s for doubles where I gave 9s to the same ladies individually because they just glowed in a threesome setting and were more beautiful to me.  That said, I reserve a 10 appearance score in a one-on-one context for a lady that gets me hard just looking at her, and there's only been one (so far) where that's been the case.

She is one of the most beautiful providers ever in this biz. I'd also put Natalie Chase in that category. NC was one of those women who I felt intimidated by the first time I met her. Svedish women rock

I know this is off-topic but I had to respond because it finally puts into words what I have been feeling.

Taylor, you described exactly how I've been feeling since I got into SW. I could never organize my thoughts enough to put it into words like you. I was married to an asshole that put me down every day and didn't work the last 3 years of our marriage (and barely worked the other 5). Going from that to men that countdown to payday so they can see me has been mind blowing. I'm pretty average looking and overweight. In my jeans, sneakers and hoodie or in my work uniform, I don't turn heads (from the front). Throw on a dress, let my hair down and put on some winged eyeliner, and I have a waiting list? WTF is going on here? And, when I say "Thank you so much for visiting me." as they're walking out the hotel room door, and I get a surprised look like I'm not supposed to be the one that is grateful for the orgasm(s) I just had, all the compliments he gave me and the purse full of what would normally take me 24-32 hours to earn in my day job. Each week I'm blown away by the generosity of these gentlemen that treat me like a princess.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH! I do the same, but from the opposite side. I provide customer service to middle aged men in suits all day in my day job, and the ones I'm particularly fond of (usually the ones that bring me coffee or ask if I want something from Chick-Fil-A), I think to myself, "Damn, I wanna fuck him for money." and "I wonder how many pops I could get out of him in 90 minutes." I find myself being more attracted to silver foxes in suits than guys my age in Wranglers and cowboy boots.  

The winds of change....

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Men always say that us ladies working as escorts we will be scared for life.

Obviously it gets to the men who sleep with escorts too....

Hmmmmm....

But I'd still do him every other Wednesday, lol.

They are so thin that the clothes hang on them on purpose! Swimsuit models don't have the same type of body but are still models. Plus size models are still models so a gentleman who likes a size 12 or larger lady would still think she model material because he's probably seen pics of "real" plus size models with similar looks.

The list goes on but hopefully you get my point!

Steph (one of the old broads)

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I don't know if subjectivity can be regarded in degree or not (can Judy's opinion be more subjective than Jane's?), but I certainly see what you mean. Plus-size models are relatively new. Swimsuit, yes, that's a different body type. And then there are artists' models, where the ones who get the most work will have other body features that pay off-- good bone structure, long fingers, smooth curves, toned muscle, veiny limbs. Sounds kind of sexy, in a freaky way, when you start listing them.

Also, there are some professions (theater and such) that regard models with contempt. Getting by on their looks rather than talent. Unjust appraisal, certainly, but to some men, "model material" would be a put-down.

I get your point, though. Stand corrected on the matter. Thank you.

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based on my preferences, so most that I've seen would certainly get looks from me in public, and would get the same rating

because it implies that is the ideal.
For instance, I like women 5'4" and under.  They aren't "model material", but are better than the taller "model material" ladies for me, all other things being equal.
Also, I like women with a bit more curves than the typical idealized model stereotype.
Because of this, I've never taken the 9 instruction too literally.  For me it simple means a beautiful woman who is just one notch away from the otherworldly iconic beauty that I can't take my eyes off of which a 10 would represent.

I respond negatively when I see an ad where the provider is urging me to, "Check out my reviews!" Not a deal breaker, it's just one of those things. Like "Highly educated," which makes me flash on descriptions of dogs that are "Well Trained."

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What people here in the shadowed world pretend to be way too cynical and worldly to admit might exist are matters of the heart. Romantic love is a relatively new discovery to humankind. Before Shakespeare and maybe Cervantes nobody talked much about love. Nobody understood that feeling very well. They understood lust; they understood responsibility; they understood betrayal; they understood possessiveness. But they don't talk much about falling in love. The Bible, Greek and Roman Literature, all the ancient dribble have lots to say about carnal relationships, family, seduction, betrayal, and so forth, but before "Romeo and Juliet" references to young men meeting young women and falling in love are damn scarce.

So, that could mean it's just an illusion that Shakespeare cooked up, or that it's a new discovery that folks haven't been conscious of long enough for everyone to get a handle on.

If Romantic Love is real, though, then this notion of a broken heart might also be real. An idiom, of course, but a term describing a real phenomenon. Look at how people behave. After loving someone very much, and then being removed from the stimulus of that loving relationship, their energy falls and their emotional bearing seems to change. That's called a broken heart, probably because of that hollow feeling that seems to center in the chest cavity along with a decrease of oxygen in the blood that causes a dull ache upon exertion.

Maybe you have suffered the ailment called a broken heart, and maybe that is what is troubling you, making you question the possibility of a relationship with a woman that will be a part of your life until you die.

Just a thought. Might help you if you regard how you feel about things in that way. Sort of a new angle on the problem.

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Point taken. As I stated before, it was a very broad statement. You are right about one thing, a lady ALWAYS looks straight ahead, always. But just don't think she doesn't know what's going on just because you don't lol. Women have eyes in the back of their head. And only a lady can say that, as you can only speak for the gentlemen here I'm afraid.  

I believe many ladies in this thread alone say they 'notice' when a man 'notices'. But of course a 'reaction' ensued is not necessary on any level for most beautiful women for any validation, it's simply just part of their daily life. While it's a quiet appreciative gesture most of the time, men are not 'always' subtle creatures I'm afraid.  

This was simply an observation I have noticed over the years and clearly not an observation that pertains to me and the gentleman I accompanying, rather a small observation of other men and the women on their arm at the time.

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You are here because your 'normal trusting relationship' shattered you. Women are here perhaps because where they came from as well. The answers are endless. But that's not my point. I happen to disagree that being with 'one' woman can be defined as 'normal'. That is a statement perceived by the masses and what society has instilled in you and your 20+ years. To 'break' habitual thinking is nearly close to impossible for some. But if you can free yourself of that even if for a moment, you might just understand a bit clearer the 'why' you are really here. Stop the questioning and simply.........enjoy the ride.  

Until you can do that for yourself Rod, I'm afraid this world will remain a mystery to you just like the trusting relationship that shattered you. Remember, we are all here by 'choice'. No one is forcing a gentleman to pay for companionship and no one is forcing a woman to offer her companionship for pay. While most of the women here, including myself, 'could' be in what 'you' would consider a 'normal, trusting and loving relationship' at the drop of a dime..........you need to understand some of us simply 'choose not' to. That's a big difference I'm afraid, and one you, personally, may never understand.  

I can only hope that helps explain this a lil bit better to you and your journey here in this world. Most women are here 'not' to be saved....we simply want to meet those gentlemen who understand this gig full circle and grasp it for what 'it' is, and enjoy the journey with us. Not for what it isn't, it becomes too complicated then. The rules are very simple and laid out. Abide by the rules and a great time will be had by all.

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'Old' is in the mind my dear friend. Think 'old' and you are 'old' I'm afraid. Depp here is proof of that. No one would know he was 50 unless you pointed out he was. While he's the complete opposite of what I'm attracted to (2 artists would butt heads, it would not be pretty lol) I like this personally............but nah, I think I'll keep it to myself

 

 

(note: this is 'not' an open invitation for those who have the inkling to insert photo here LOL, you know who you are

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resonated with you on some level. But I am sorry to hear you had to endure an abusive relationship. No one on this planet deserves ill treatment from another human being. Period. But it sounds to me like you've taken a hold of what 'wasn't' working and are working at what 'is' working. And that is all that counts. Kudos to you pretty lady. Don't look back.....ever.

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the same thing when stuck in traffic.  I look around and think "where are all the good looking people".  They gotta drive but I never see them.  

I believe beauty cannot be given a number. Too many variables.

 But in my own view of beautiful.....I know I may not be the prettiest gal but I am one helluva sexy bitch.

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Of course, it's not anything I lose sleep over.

What's that old saying about why ugly/fat girls are the best at blowjobs? Because they have to be. I guess the same goes for guys, because I can also say my best lovers were not model material... except for my child's father lol. He had it ALL

or I should say it's very, very 'rare' that I do. I'll make one exception today and like your post because of our 'discussion' lol. I'll go do that now just for you LOL.  

I don't 'like' posts much like my thoughts on the 'numerical' grading system here. Silly in my eyes. We are women, not cattle and it's always going to be 'perception' and 'speculation' of someone's opinion of us, nothing to 'grade'.

Rod, when I was in my mid 20's, I met a gal whom I fell deeply in love with.  It was my first 'true' love.  I had been with whores, I had had a few dates with a couple of civvies, but this gal was my life.  We spent every waking moment together, we moved in together, we drove in to work (carpooling) together even though I had to drive miles out of my way to drop her off and pick her up before and after work.  We clicked and made sense in my head.  The sex was frequent and awesome.  We had been going out a year and had settled into a comfortable routine.  I even started saving for a ring.  I had been totally faithful to her the entire time.  I was infatuated with her, she was my world.  Then she started getting distant with me.  I asked what was wrong, 'nothing' she said.  Then I found out she had cheated on me and when  I confronted her with it, she broke up with me.  I was devestated.  My world shattered.  Two years later I met and married my current SO.  In the intervening years between break up and marriage I threw myself into the hobby like a motherfucker.  Must have spent 3K a month if not more.  Something had broken inside me and I've never ever had that kind of whole soul love that I had with the first girl.  To me, while I still adore women, I never, ever let them own me to my roots like that again.  Its not about looks, or service or fidelity.  Its about me at my core.  No one will ever own me again.

But turn to look? Never.

Yes you are sexy looking.  Considering I haven't met you and haven't read your reviews, my brain tells me, yeah, she's cute, I could see myself with her.  Now on aesthetic scale of worldly beauty based on societal norms and just fro the few pics I saw on your ad, you would be scorable in TER fashion, yet to my mind, a score on looks is less than a score on performance.  Once the sexual interest is there, the "chemistry" and service take over the session IMHO.  If you are average (or in your case, slightly better than average) its all about how we treat each other in the end that makes for greatness.  Not that I'm heading out to the West coast anytime soon, but you get my point.

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I'd even let him put it in my butt.

and looks aren't everything by a long shot!  (You look F-I-N-E, fine BTW). I like a nice Crazy Bitch, too - they rock!

Hooker is in the mall and hobbyist sees her and in his head rates her a 6. Months later, he books the same hooker who then gives him a great BJ and his review reflects her appearance score as an 8.

Same lady, but the fact that she gave the guy a bj that rocked his world and inflated his appearance scores suggest that sex and great sex can inflate the looks scores. No sex and just viewing, well the scores might be more realistic as they pertain to that guy at that moment in time.

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Love your response.  He is getting dangerously close to your upper age limit, though...

"No one will ever own me again".  Or if I may, you will not give yourself away again that completely

and I've never even met her and probably never will.  But in spirit of this thread, she has a beautiful mind and attitude that makes her an automatic 10 for me.  A great mind trumps most physical flaws (not that Tobi has any physical flaws) but a great-looking woman with a head full of rocks or bad attitude is a quick 3, regardless of her enthusiasm or sexual performance.

I agree with Tobi about subjectivity, but I would extend the subjectivity to being more than just visual.  I would extend it to the first few minute's experience, before the sexual performance comes in.  It's just a continuum from seeing her to saying hi to a quick kiss hello.  That first impression is where I score the looks

It makes the older farts like me feel better.  We may not be studly handsome anymore, but we try hard to be gentlemen and make sure that our partners have a great time.

Don't know how you are going to change the minds of random guys to fit your ideal. But keep trying, it's fun to watch you get steamed up. Seriously if those over 40 and 50 and fat are getting paid to fuck, well, not much you can do about it. Except piss and moan i guess.  

I realize if you had it your way there would be only young, petite women hooking because that's what you like. I don't think insulting hookers that don't fit your bill is working because none of them seem to hanging up their pumps in shame. Nope, they keep getting paid to screw. And all the while they do, you get more and more irritated it seems.

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fat, over 40 model. And when I was in advertising WAY back,one of my clients IRL wanted me to model some of the new spring arrivals at an outin the sticks country club luncheon/fashion show, lol. They had me in some ladies golfing outfit, and I did the stone faced runway model face, did the walk, at the end of the little runway thingy I took off the little sweater wrapped around my shoulders, had it in one hand, did the little turn, flung it over one shoulder, looked back at the people at the luncheon and smiled and they clapped. Oh those were the days-LAMO.

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Have you ever noticed how 90% of "mall people" look or is this just a southern mall thing, lol?

OMG quite a few morbidly obese people walking around as well is some crazy ass looking young people. I mean WOWIE!!!

So a pretty lady stands out like a sore thumb! And I still turn a few heads but they all seem to be the 55-75 year olds that aren't breaking their necks looking at the 20 year olds because they remind them of their daughter or even worse, grand daughters. Ok some are on those scooter thingys!

Steph

Nomnomnom, yes I could eat him up! And, it certainly wouldn't take a million dollars either! I think he'd wear me well. rawr!

Thanks, Taylor.

The hammer shatters glass but forges steel.  

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it seems like the only real loser in this whole sad little story of yours was you.

Virtually everybody here has had his/her heart broken at one time or another, you seem to be one of the few that has never gotten over it. The good news is that you are still in your twenties, and in thirty years or so you might be sitting here calling some other 20 something clueless.

I don't think CPA is mad that women over 40 are getting work.  I think he's mad they lie about their age and that WKs still give them 10s.  There is a difference.  I'm not even sure he's irritated, though he does give a good impression of it.

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But don't let some of these posters know that  LOL

This topic always brings out some of my favorite posters...today was NO different  

But you might take another shot at him before the new nuptials...

Might be exactly what a guy sees in an older woman especially if he is not comparing a 40 your old to a 20 something. And how is any guy going to stop guys giving 10's to women they feel don't deserve them? Way too subjective and someone is always going to disagree

hat I have come to grips with is that people will treat you whatever way they want. It is up to us, how we ALLOW others to treat us. As far as relationships go, some of us are not made to adhere to the societal norm and some of us just don't want the boredom that inevitably sets in with a long tern relationship.  

Ay this stage in my life I have discovered that I am not for what society deems as a relationship. It has nothing to do with monogamy but more to do with what I want and need out of a relationship and whether the person of my desire is providing that which I need and want. Too many times we stay when we should go.  

In my mind most relationships have an expiry date, and shows up when the intimacy starts to wain. I prefer friends with benefits as I love my friends and if there is an attraction then we go for it and when that peters out, we are back to friends. Also there is no monogamy per se. It is all about don't ask don't tell and we are on a need to know basis, I tell them what they need to know and nothing more.  

And if and when I start to feel that craziness that can seep into you because of deep lust or attraction to outer beauty that we often mistake as love, I take a giant step beck to re-evaluate the situation.  Bad choices are made when that chemical reaction starts and the secret for me at least is to identify that and give my head a great big shake and get back to reality.