damage to your brain, I think that ship has already sailed. Lol
Sorry, bro, you tee it up like that, I gotta take a swing. LOL
Good news about a potential vaccine this morning.
When a vaccine is approved how likely are you to take it?
I think I will take it at my earliest opportunity. I am considered high risk. I have done some hobbying since March, but figure I have pushed my luck as far as it can go. I am planning to try and stop until after a vaccine.
Aside from the hobby, it would be nice for life to return to some semblance of normality. If I have to take a shot to do that, I will take it.
Absolutely agree with you, Huggybear - I will get the vaccine at the earliest opportunity!
at 65 I want all the protection I can get!
Yes, once the people who REALLY need it get theirs, and none of them start dropping dead from any unexpected side effects, AND the vaccine/s prove to be as effective as claimed, most likely I will get one too, but there are a few billion people at much higher risk than me, so I don't mind waiting a while. Not to mention at some point it wouldn't surprise me if getting vaccinated doesn't become mandatory. I am hardly an anti vaxxer, I have gotten all the normal vaccines, and when I travel overseas I don't mind getting my yellow fever shots or whatever other shots are required, so I fully expect to get vaccinated "some day" I just don't expect to be first in line. lol
That said, if the virus decides to mutate every year or so, and the efficacy rate starts slipping down to the 50% range like the flu shots we have had for the last several decades, I may not even bother getting one. Time will tell. In the meantime it would be nice if I things could go back to normal and I could go back to simply hopping on a plane to "anywhere" whenever the urge hit me without having to worry about whether or not the country I am going to is even allowing people entrance.
is that I'm two months older than you, so I would like to think that in the future you would listen more to someone older. Lol
version is testing at about a 95% efficacy rate, while Pfizer tested at 90%. If Pfizer is first out but the Modena is less than a month behind, I might be inclined to wait for it.
You are in the last group. That's what happens to know it all's.
We might be waiting another six months in either case at least. Consider that priority will be given to certain individuals, yet to be determined. The CDC has narrowed priority cases to half the population. They'll need to do better than that. The Pfizer vaccine must be stored at extremely low temperatures. They can pull off a clinical trial with that degree of careful handling, but, a clinical trial is not the real world. Expect a significant number of doses to be ineffective due to negligent handling. Medical errors are the 3rd leading cause of death according to Johns Hopkins, 2016. You think the guy who let the dry ice run out for a few days is going to 'fess up?
Well stated. Kind of like there is nothing comparable to a fresh Wendy's hamburger or Coors poured straight from the tap in the brewery in Golden, Colorado - then there is real life. It's not just efficacy, but stability. You're not transporting hundreds of millions of vaccines while 100% maintaining the global cold chain. Lot of incompetent people in the world.
They make Ferraris nearby, in Maranello.
The vaccine company is called Moderna.
You're welcome.
Get vaccinated against a disease that's over 98% survivable? 99.5 if you're young. Maybe get vaccinated against the car ride over; it's much more dangerous.
Why would I get vaccinated? Maybe it's because a 1 in 50 chance of dying is pretty significant. Not sure where you're driving, but seems for most of us the chances of dying on the way over are a bit less than that. Furthermore, its not just the risk of dying. You really want to be that sick? Listen to the accounts of some of the survivors. This disease is no joke.
Maybe some of us wouldn't want to pass the virus to loved ones or people in our circle who may not be as young or as healthy as those who recover without much complications or long term effects.
All or most are well into our 60's and my family isn't the healthiest group around. All have a variety of a pre-existing condition. I'll be ok, I'm lean and mean and I'm in great health, But why risk my family. Also we don't know the underlying effects to those that survive.Scarring of the lungs, heart, early forms of dementia ...there's alot we don't know,,,So why chance it?
That's kind of how I look at it too. If you're in contact with some of your older relatives, at that point your
can endanger their lives.
That's the main problem. I'm relatively young, and even then, I've seen some young people much healthier and active than me, be absolutely hobbled with the virus. But older folks are going to have a far harder time if they get it. The horror stories at covid spread in nursing homes, at least in the bay area, are awful.
Responsibility for peoples health around you is an important concept.
Because I'm not a selfish piece of shit who wants to spread the disease. Yes, you may survive, but how about the vulnerable population that you infect who then have life long disabilities from the disease or even die.
I get regular flu shots, why not this one? Even if you recover and have just minor symptoms they are going to make you self-quarantine for a few weeks. Totally messes up life. And of course who wants to be the one to kill nana by passing it on.
Without hesitation.
Remember Polio.
Its gone..
So whether you care or not..the vaccine will hopefully put this evil back in the box
I'm an old dinosaur, so I can use all the help I can get.
With two major pharma producers getting the (assumed to be coming shortly) Ok to put their vaccines into circulation, there should be a decent track record in real-world results by the time I'm likely to be in the rotation.
Will this vaccine (a two-injection procedure over two weeks) give us long-term protection against Covid-19? Will it protect us against other SARS Cov-2 strains? We'll find out.
Buena suerte!
There seems to be no clear definition yet on what age group they consider the start of the "most vulnerable" class. I have heard 60, 65 and 70 thrown around as possible minimums. The only one that would include me is 60. I heard on the news that Pfizer's first run was only going to be 12,500,000 doses. That's not going to go very far, so they may start the first group as minimum 70, or higher. Haven't heard what the Modena first run is likely to be.
I have never taken a flu vaccine and certainly no need for this. There many risks with vaccines. You can do some research on some recent problems with the flu vaccine in South Korea.
The best way to boost your immune system, eat right, exercise (cardio and weights), take your vitamin C (at least 1500mg), D, zinc. and get your rest. Stay away from stress. Know how to reduce stress, have lots of sex.
I don't want to be taken a vaccine that messes with my mRna (message RNA).
If things are so bad how come many hobbyists and providers have not died ? How come homeless people are not killing over dead in the streets.
You don't have the data. How do you know hobbyists have not died? How do you know providers haven't been put in the hospital? You're obviously young (30s). Wait until you're laid flat on your back from the flu. I was just like you when I was younger until I was slammed in bed with the flu and could barely get up; massive headaches and body pain. After that I got the flu shot every year. It doesn't always 'cure' the flu, but greatly reduces the effects of the flu if you do get it. Also, why be a spreader of disease? Yes, there are side effects to vaccines, but the benefits far outweigh the risk.
BP is correct. In my mid 30's I got clobbered. I kept going to work (45 commute by train to Chicago and back. No internet).
Gave myself a great case of bronchitis which haunts me to this day. I have taken a flu shot ever since. No side effects, accept the one time a untrained nurse harpooned me leaving a bruise the size of a tennis ball. But I digress.
Side benefit, when I get a cold it never lasts more than two days max. Before, a week.
After getting a flu shot your risk of catching covid-19 skyrockets at least 36% and on up to 50% for contracting human metapneumovirus
The real question is, once you take the vaccine, will one be able to regain the liberties which have been so quickly taken away.
Perhaps a tattoo or some other form of identification so I can run around without a mask and go na, na, na, na.
Seriously, how in the world are the "gate keepers" of our freedoms tell us who has, and who has not been allowed their freedom. I suppose it will driven by science and that little turd Fauci. So however long will that take.
To me, the pay off is freedom. It is a given in my mind the thing will work, for how long is another question. If we take the risk, instead of a lolly pop we should all be given our freedom to:
Go to sporting events
Dump the mask
Have a whopper of a Thanksgiving party.
Go on vacation with an airplane packed with people (my tip of the hat to the airlines).
And hobby, fucking and kissing, as much as we want.
End of rant.
I've been hoping there will be a way to get an ID card that says I have been vaccinated and don't have to follow any of the Covid protocols anymore. Just flash the card where needed to get in or go somewhere that would otherwise have restrictions. I have been watching for something along these lines, but so far, have not seen anything. What would be the point of getting the vaccine if you can still be treated like a virus carrier?
My point exactly!
I'm not a doctor, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Having said that, it's most likely that going forward the COVID vaccine will be an annual thing, just like the flu shot is. Viruses mutate, and thus the vaccine is likely to change periodically.
COVID vaccines are going to be a multi billion dollar business, and it's kind of like selling razor blades rather than razors, it could be the "gift that keeps on giving" for Big Pharm. Over 7 BILLION people on this planet getting a COVID shot each and every year is a HUGE business opportunity. I don't see it happening any other way than the way you have speculated.
Not to mention a terrified populace is one that is much easier to control, I don't see the government, ANY government relinquishing their new "emergency" powers easily. I think we may PERMANENTLY be in a "state of emergency". I certainly hope I am wrong.
Not getting vaccinated.
Most people get vaccinated as kids and they have no says so. This year I got my first flu vaccine and nothing happened.
Even dogs and maybe even cats get shots, and maybe others like farm animals.
So what's the big deal? Even more if it's free.
I actually feel sorry for the kids that get sick and stuff because their parents are crazy.
I am probably moderate risk (young but with some chronic conditions) but I feel as if the vaccines would be rushed so there may be issues with them.
If Dr. Turd Fauci says they are safe, they are safe. He is got to be the most pessimistic person in this country, next to me.
Let's all take the damn thing so he can go away from the media.
But take a company like Pfizer, they already do $50 BILLION a year in revenue and have a market cap in excess of $200 BILLION. Yes, Pfizer stands to make billions more from their upcoming vaccine, but can you imagine what would happen to them if it were later proven that their vaccine made people sick or even worse killed people and that their vaccine were "rushed to market" Their market value would crater to zero.
Now if it were some unknown companies, "one drug wonders" who were leading the charge here I would be a LOT more skeptical, but I don't see major companies risking their existing billions by putting out a unsafe vaccine.
I still don't see myself rushing out to get one, UNLESS of course it allows me to resume my life as normal once again, but even though I don't plan on rushing out to be the first in line to take the vaccine, if I were in one of the higher risk groups and worried about my personal safety than yes I would most definitely be wanting to be one of the first to get it.
Hell no am I rushing out to have some unknown drug put in my body. Didn't anyone see I Am Legend? lol
Don't believe the hype. The pandemic may have taken a lot of lives which is a terrible thing, but it didn't take out the entire world. Relax, do what is needed comfortably for you & your family, but don't jump on the follower train without asking the appropriate questions first. Sheesh people lol
But take a company like Pfizer, they already do $50 BILLION a year in revenue and have a market cap in excess of $200 BILLION. Yes, Pfizer stands to make billions more from their upcoming vaccine, but can you imagine what would happen to them if it were later proven that their vaccine made people sick or even worse killed people and that their vaccine were "rushed to market" Their market value would crater to zero.
Now if it were some unknown companies, "one drug wonders" who were leading the charge here I would be a LOT more skeptical, but I don't see major companies risking their existing billions by putting out a unsafe vaccine.
I still don't see myself rushing out to get one, UNLESS of course it allows me to resume my life as normal once again, but even though I don't plan on rushing out to be the first in line to take the vaccine, if I were in one of the higher risk groups and worried about my personal safety than yes I would most definitely be wanting to be one of the first to get it.
Seems like a bit of a moot point for this group.
First in line are medical personnel.
Next in line seem to be government essential employees -- those most at risk getting priority placement in the line.
Next comes, if not included in the above -- is probably military in general.
Then we will start getting to the general public with whatever rationing rule might be applied. Probably a need based arrangement. That's probably when most here will start having some options so you've got a bit more info on safety and side-effect data for making a decision.
Have not been paying attention to the production output rates but suspect few to none of those here will see anything from the first about 1,000,000 doses. Just a guess on that.
Pfizer alone looks to be shipping 50 times that amount alone in the next month or so. Yes, they will prioritized with front line medical workers rightfully at the front of the line, but with 50 millions doses, even accounting for two doses per patient we are still talking about being able to vaccinate almost 10% of the population in the next several weeks, that is not an insignificant number.
Now lets factor in Moderna and the other companies who are right on the cusp of being able to deliver tens of millions of doses in the next few weeks/months.
My understanding is that if you had it and had at least some symptoms, you already have the antibodies and won't need a vaccine for the time being. That may change over time, just like getting an annual flu shot, but we'll see. For now, I'd rather save the spots in line for the more at risk folk, and continue to take care of myself through good practices.
It's likely your antibodies will fade in a matter of weeks. But, your immune system is multifaceted, and your ability to create these antibodies is already learned. It's not as simple as having or not having antibodies. That might not sound optimistic, but, I am. Someone is bound to tell you that you will lose your antibodies. It's probably true, but, don't let it discourage you.
Thanks?
If you're going to mansplain the immune system to me, you're welcome to talk in specifics and use "big terms," such as the inverse relationship researchers are discovering between symptoms and memory CD8 T cells that grant long term immunity. I assure you I can follow. 
Some the most sexy words to be posted. Wish we were closer. Grrrr
I've got the perfect solution, darlin'. Shoot me an email with your location (and where you tend to travel, when that sort of thing resumes,) and I'll ping you if I plan to be in the area.
I mean, antibodies are kind of the dommes of the immune system. Are you down with me hog tying your ass so a gang of my girlfriends can come in and rough you up in the best way possible?
I just realized that there's a fine line between fear and arousal. :P (lol)
But either way will wait and see how the initial vaccine treatment works for those who get it and reported side effects before I get mine. Whether thats a year or two who knows... Better safe than sorry.
During the initial availability only so many will be able to get vaccinated anyways at this point
First this vaccine was rushed, steps shortened, so odds of side effects or low effectiveness are higher.
Second I have had COVID-19 already and have the antibodies for it already. So while you can catch the virus twice it is rare so though I am in a high risk group I in essence have already been vaccinated agains COVID-19. Besides when I had the virus, it was so mild, I thought it was mild allergies, not an actual illness and was shocked when my test came back positive. I survived it once, on the rare chance I get it again, I guess I will survive it again.
Third this vaccine has already mutated. So how long this vaccine will be effective is in question. Honestly I think COVID-19 is the new seasonal flu and will be with us forever, vaccine or no.
That said I would get it once others have gotten it and it proven to be at least somewhat effective and with low instances of side effects. I believe in vaccines, just not rushed ones. It takes three years or more to properly develop and test a vaccine. We have only known about COVID-19 for just over a year and a vaccine has been in the works now for what 9 months? Sorry this vaccine hasn't been fully vetted, and I not in a rush to be an early adopter of rushed vaccine.
The virus might have mutated, they typically do, but the long run of virus mutation is toward less lethal mutations. And that's because if it kills the host it has less chance of spreading than those mutations that don't kill the host.
But given the virus has well over a 99% survival rate it isn't a great killer as is. Last figure I see said it had a 0.7% fatality rate. The seasonal flu has a 0.6% rate. So I am not afraid the virus well mutate to a more deadly form, but instead that it will mutate to render the rushed vaccine useless before it gets wide distribution.
I am pro vaccine but not pro rushed barely tested vaccines of a virus we don't fully understand the mutation rate of that greatly affect the viability of a vaccine. There is a reason we don't have a vaccine for the common cold, one of COVID-19's closest kin in humans.
I will wait to see the safety and efficiency of this vaccine before I get it. As I said this vaccine is skipping much of the normal three years of testing trials a vaccine is normally required to have. That three year process exists for a reason.
Yes, long trials exist for a reason -- CYA for government officials. An example sited by economists is the beta blocker medicines for heart problems. They were available for 10 years in Europe before the FDA approved them in the USA. It is estimated that had those beta blockers been available in the USA for those 10 years, somewhere between 100,000 and 1 million lives would have been saved. Or to put it the other way, FDA delays killed a million people.
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Always remember, FDA foot dragging kills people who could have been saved. But if they approve a drug that kills 10 people regardless of how many it saves, they get the blame. So better to kill a million by delays that get blamed for the 10 -- that's how bureaucracy works.
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Faster drug approval would save more lives that are lost. But saving net lives doesn't matter to the bureaucrats, avoiding blame does.
Delays do kill more people than die from side effects once a vaccine is publicly available. The Covid vaccine will be no different, except if the government pulls it off the market, millions will die instead of a few dozen from side effects. So much for following the science.
Pfizer did “rise” to the occasion. I hope they can come through and finish.
I'm going to pass on the vaccine. As of November 20th the cdc posted these survival rates
Age 0-19 … 99.997%
Age 20-49 … 99.98%
Age 50-69 … 99.5%
Age 70+ … 94.6%
Lastly, look this up pfizer chairman: we're not sure if someone can transmit virus after vaccination
Overall, we have a pretty high chance of surviving this thing. Just my two cents based on the data I am seeing.
Great stats until it happens to you. There have been 3 people in my orbit who have died from COVID. Three more who have had their lungs damaged that they need supplemental oxygen to make it.
And yes, most are over 50 years of age. I hear what you are saying, and in a certain age group it makes sense, however we need 70% of the public to vaccinate if we ever want to end this plaque.
I'm sure your older clients will thank you.
Like others already said: don’t want to spread it to family and friends, and others. Second, it is not just about dying or living; it is more about unknown long term devastating damages to brain, nerves, lungs etc.
damage to your brain, I think that ship has already sailed. Lol
Sorry, bro, you tee it up like that, I gotta take a swing. LOL
It was a opportunistic humor … indeed!
Now to get back at you: I envy you since you don't have to worry about any brain damage like many of us … because you have no brains! Lucky you! ROR!!!
to top a funny comment with one of your one, and completely failing at it. This one was especially pathetic. I'm surprised you didn't take it down already. It does you no favors.
with so much ego and no brains? Must be a very difficult life ...
My earlier joke was a ‘no brainer’ (pun intended) about a no brainer: you!
no ego, no brains, no game, no pussy and no money, like you, pool boy. When you have to explain that what you meant earlier was something different than what you said, you have already lost. I thought even a dickless rookie like you would know that, but go ahead, keep trying to explain your prior posts.
Candidate for ignore list.
I'm getting there, maybe sooner rather than later now that the voice of reason has chimed in. LOL
I've read a BUNCH of our resident village idiot's posts and it's no act. He really is this fucking dumb.
I don't actually have anyone on "ignore" but that doesn't mean I read every post by every poster. Some posts and some posters I do ignore as much as possible.
The village idiots are multiplying. A quarter of what I see in some threads is "users post is ignored".
