.makes a change from BBBJ to CBJ. Do you blow her off?
CBJ ain't worth a diddle squirt to me so she's history
Anyone else?
But my experience is that I'm" grandfathered in". If I'm not, I'd probably move on.
If it was me, next time I wanted to call someone, I'd remember the CBJ terms, and either call her anyway or call somebody else. But why make a hard and fast decision now?
... "extra safe" ?
If someone catches something from a blow job don't you think they'd want to lay off them and do covered blow jobs? Jesus H.
While I prefer a BBBJ myself, and would be disappointed in such a change, if the overall experience is better than average then I might still see the provider. But if DATY is off the table, then I'm gone. I kinda love attempting to give an O, giving pleasure for a gal turns me on almost as much as getting oral myself. If I can I will always try to make the girl O at least once before actual sex or finishing myself (oral or not.). It's a mental thing I guess, makes me feel good to give pleasure. If I had been born a girl I would probably be a provider. Since I'm a guy, I just do what I can as a monger.
Safety is important, but since pleasure is the name of the game, well, we all want what we want. It's an individual choice I guess. If she's contracted something, then I guess I wouldn't want to see her till she cleared it up anyway. I know I'm healthy, I get tested fairly often. The SO knows I get tested frequently due to my "past" before our marriage. So far, so good, all clean. The upshot is, if you are paying, you either get what you want or go somewhere else, it's not a relationship. If the overall experience doesn't do it for you, then move on. Personally, a CBJ once in a while isn't bad, just not preferred.Is she still BB her other johns orally?
If so, you might want to check yourself for any scabs, marks, abrasions, cuts, rashes or other evidence something aint right "dowsntairs." But if not, you need to get out faster than a fat kid playing dodge ball.I don't think we are discussing provider safety, we are talking blow jobs. You can always start a thread on provider STD prevention techniques.
If a girl who looks gorgeous is letting me see her at $150/hr - $250/hr well I just may take that option. Price would depend on how many % off her regular rate she's giving me. There is always a price for everything, whether we accept that belief or not.
AD&D insurance companies know this very well when people lose body parts after an accident and they pay them for it. How much is your finger worth? Your hand? Your legs? I think there's a price point at which guys may tolerate a CBJ and some girls may drop their rates to that price point, but that is just an assumption although a reasonably sounding one. Any girl that I'd call my "ATF", she would be somewhere between a real close friend and a favorite provider. I tend to let the favorite girl have it a easier around me (while at the same time not getting stomped all over.) At that point she probably wouldn't really treat me like a client but more like a friend. Boundaries become blurred. Maybe very blurred. Provider/Client rules of engagement start to get tossed out the window. And she may try to weasel out of a BBBJ simply cuz she can get away with things. I am doubting I would continue to see her at her same rate if she's giving CBJ though. There are many very seriously hot and talented girls with expanded menu getting in this business to choose from, so why would a guy like me who primarily enjoys a mind blowing BBBJ sacrifice what I enjoy just to see this ATF who is clearly not giving me what I want, even though I'm paying the same amount... ? At steep discount maybe but not at the same price. Fortunately, I don't have an ATF (at the moment) but then it's only been a few months since I've been back in the hobby. :She's saying the fucking provider switched to CBJ because she didn't want OSP to fucking catch anything. She was just illustrating a god damn possible fucking scenario.
Either they think they can slack off or you are getting bored. I know there are many long term business relationships here but I would guess after 3 or 4 times it's time to move on. I'm trying number 3 with a lady tomorrow. I'll be thinking about this thread...LOL
and perhaps I wont be on the cbj list. so better for me .
If she changed from BBBJ to CBJ I would not drop her. I don't finish with her with a BJ anyway. I'll just say her Finish with me is "AWESOME!"
Actually love your play on words. go a head, give her uncovered blow job!
If in you think about it, what do you care if some claims the will or won't stay with her? Besides, ATF while a handy abbreviation for something, doesn't say too much, other than you might be in trouble if you repeat a lot with one person. My all time favorite is Smoke Stack Lightnin by Howlin Wolf. I hear new music, other artists, but it sill is my ATF even if I don't hear it months at a time. DeprivedA covered blow job is something done mostly for safety against std's. They don't feel good. It's hard to generate saliva given the material or be turned on. So if this is being done, it's because you want to be extra safe as a woman.
If you provided it in the past and now don't, SOMETHING happened. You either don't trust yourself to not spread something or you don't trust a client. Perhaps you heard a friend caught something from it and you think "fuck if it happened to her it can happen to me". CBJs don't feel or taste good. Something makes you want to do them..I want you thinkin 'bout me when you're doin the Hoizontal Bop(BS) lol
I've had a few CBJs that were as good or better than some decent BBBJs, so I'd give her a chance to see what she can do.
Plus, she could have other charms that make the BJ not as important.
For example, I see several gals and we don't do BJs at all since other things they do are so wonderful.
I'd ask her why and expect a reasonable answer. If DATY was also off the menu, I'm gone. I'd rather DATY than BBBJ anyway (if I had to choose), it gets me going almost as well, and certainly gets her going.
It's a subtle message for you to go away. Clearly she knows it means "diddle squat". Take the hint and leave.
...which would be your druthers?
That she imposed the CBJ condition because your cock smelled/tasted foul...?Or that she thought you were a loser and resented having to suck you off in the first place?
you are under no obligation to keep seeing her. You are paying here, not supposed to be worrying about how some gal feels if you drop her. She is not your GF, and has no business being upset about losing clients, and you won't be the only one she loses. Most guys hobby because they are not getting blowjobs at home... why come here and PAY to have a covered one if you don't want that?
That's about as dumb as saying I will see men who are HIV positive because I use condoms for FS... fail. I think many guys are going to assume the same thing you did, which begs the question of why would she continue to provide IF that is in fact the case. Like you said, there is no enjoyment in a CBJ for either party and they are twice as much work for half the money.
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and then HTG's reply to your post.
... again the thread was about not getting a BBBJ not about contracting an STD.
If you provided it in the past and now don't, SOMETHING happened. You either don't trust yourself to not spread something or you don't trust a client. Perhaps you heard a friend caught something from it and you think "fuck if it happened to her it can happen to me".
CBJs don't feel or taste good. Something makes you want to do them. [/quote
I dreamed that I turned down a CBJ from a SW.
So what did you want from her? Bbfs in a police parking lot while she was smoking crack and shooting junk?
It wasn't from BBBJ to CBJ. Admittedly I'm not able to get to her city as often as I was in the past & we had some mutual misunderstandings as well as considerable drama from her... any one of which could be explained away. I am about convinced that I'm not going back. I like her & am sorry after several years to be at this juncture.
Over our run, I had increased the compensation in consideration of certain GFE services that I was granted. The last visit, the benefits were rolled back to new guy through the door level, which was not what I was expecting. I didn't leave a lesser gift. But frankly, during my flight I couldn't help but think I was shorted. The gift would have got me to see many others whose GFE services would be more in line with my expectations.
It's been a while since I added a new Favorite.
Harbor, does the three-sided unspoken contract still twist you around as much at it does me?
The setup for an escort/client relationship is actually a lot more complicated than anyone every talks about. First, because we're all adults and we assume we all know the score, we arrange initial encounters with a strictly business attitude. But people have different interpretations of what that deal is, and no matter how we try to spell it out here on the boards or in the chitchat prologue to our sessions, people go into the encounter with different expectations and assumptions. So the first contract, never spoken, is based on each party thinking, This is what I can expect from THIS person, and this is what I assume is asked and what I'm willing to GIVE. The second unspoken contract is based on what evolves from getting to know the other party. Can I dominate this person in some ways, and submit to their demands in other ways? That works itself out quickly, and might involve things like: I can initiate a kiss and she will comply, but I must wait for her to initiate undressing. Every step of the first-date progression provides another clause in the contact, and when we opt to CHANGE one of those clauses, BOTH parties are suddenly aware that something between them is out of the established structure of the relationship. The THIRD contract only comes into play when a second meeting is approached. USUALLY, the client must contact the provider for the next encounter. If and when a PROVIDER calls or emails suggesting a session, EACH party realizes that something had been changed in the agreement. The same as to what can and cannot be expected in their encounters. Dealing with any one of these contracts would be a normal relationship. You have a contract like this with every family member, with every colleague or coworker, every person you do business with, etc. But with the escort, you have THREE contracts, and each evolves and changes independently. Because the provider suddenly switched from CG to ACG and then to RCG without any spoken agreement to do so as had up to the time been the case, does not in ANY way affect the terms of the other two contracts. But all three evolve independently, and after awhile it can become confusing.Transaction declined
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