Do most of you guys ever consider seeing a TS at some point? or even fantasize about the idea? I hear a lot of guys who come to see me that they used to see only GGs before. But most of them mentioned how they felt their providers were somewhat detached during a session. On the other hand they say that very rarely a TS provider behaves that way and, while I know that one should not generalize about anything, and just about anyone can be detached or "too" businesslike. I noticed a pattern. I just thought I would ask if that is to some extent true.  
There's a lot of super hot providers out there so I don't blame you for preferring genetic girls, but in all honesty, TS can be just as hot and some of us are quite petite and passionate, not to mention cute. I always thought that for hobbyists to be in the hobby, they usually have to have an open mind and be ready for most things. And ultimately we all wanna have fun and an unforgettable experience. What do you guys think?

I've never considered seeing one or fantasized about it.  I've seen pictures of some really sexy TS providers but when that dick pops out, lil' Nick does his Sumo Wrestler deal and tries to dive up inside my pelvis.
As for "hobbyists" being open minded, I wish you were right but I've read so many guys here posting judgmental bullshit about the sexual preferences of others I know full well mongers are at least as judgmental as civvies.

When you are not looking for them.

 
Happy Friday!

I am straight and don't want dick.  I like genetic girls because they are not dudes with a package dangling.  If I'm paying for a session then I want real girl with all the subtle little things that make up a women. Such as lack of leg hair,  private parts that have internal structure of a real women's vagina, smooth womanly skin, scent smell aroma and not just from perfume,  curves around her butt.  

Most of all a genetic girl does not have lingering male traits in her. Some guys like ts but since you asked the genetic men here why some of us don't see ts,  this would be my explanation.  

However, I believe in medical science.  
If a TS can look extremely close to the type I like and has indistinguishable womanly private parts, and look indistinguishable from a real genetic girl,  well then I may or may not change my mind.  It would be a case by case basis obviously.  I still like genetic girls though.  


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Anymore than I considered or fantasized about having sex with a fat woman...or ugly.

I have no issues however with any dudes that enjoy the TS gals.  Any more than those that like fat or ugly.  It's a personal preference.

Unfortunately (and I echo Nick's comment here) so many in all facets of life are extremely narrow minded.  In TERland it's no exception.  There have been comments by the women here that they wouldn't see a guy who may have seen a TS girl.  Yet I can't imagine that many here (on both sides) are more than 2 degrees (probably just 1 degree) from having been with a TS girl  LOL

I also don't subscribe that if a dude has an interest that he is gay.  Many dudes (and dudettes) close to me are gay...and those who don't know some who are truly gay somehow can't get their heads around why they're gay....and I simply see it as "why are they straight"?  Seems the myopic folks that permeate this world (and the world in general) just are homophobic in many respects.

Seems to me that in most cases it's a "their" problem....and just consider that ignorance equates to uneducated (on subject matter).

 

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Well, starting with the premise that seeing a TS makes you gay... I totally understand the homophobia. You can look at it in so many different ways or you can just be black or white about it. And trust me... I do not intend to burst that little bubble you like to live in, and I'm sure most people here (or at least i'd like to believe) are respectful of girls like myself, who always felt like we were meant to be chicks. I do not think the men that have come to see me have anything gay about them. They are attracted to feminine traits as much as the next guy.  
Just like I may not feel attracted to every single man I see, I feel attracted to good looks, a good personality, a nice smile. To limit myself to "how big is your d*ck" would be ridiculous in my opinion, you can be handsome, and a douche. or you can be average, but personable. Being open minded has never brought me to a dark place. Thanks for the feedback men

Guess that I'll go against the flow. of replies..   though I am heterosexual 99.99% of the time, I became curious and took the plunge a couple of times. The experiences were OK but not exceptional. It was probably me (it's all about the mind being into it, no?).

That being said, it is a great and (mostly) beautiful world out there and some folks I am sure find TS girls the cat's meow - good for them

And I doubt my view is becoming dominant...simply how I see certain parts of this world.

You don't have to be attracted to trans*women, but "open minded does not mean turning gay?!" Jesus tittyfucking Christ. First of all, if one can "turn gay," then one should be able to "turn straight," right? So is it your assertion that a guy who's gay his whole life, upon being with a trans*man is suddenly turned straight because his trans* partner has "lingering female parts?"

Please at least TRY to think before you say shit like that.  

And it seems you were hoping for a different set of replies.

(S)he who does not expect...shall not be disappointed!

This is really no different a topic than someone who is simply fat, old or ugly asking why men don't find that attractive.  Some do...others don't.

I did comment and echo yours here as well....seeing a TS doesn't mean a dude is gay.  But since that wasn't the thrust of your topic...why highlight that part of the equation?

Shit....you've got a percentage of dudes who won't watch M/F porn for fear of seeing a cock  LOL

I wonder how all that shit worked out in high school taking showers with other dudes.  By that mentality I guess most adult males might be gay?  I guess based on some of the repspondents here that seeing a cock makes them "gay"  

Oh well...I just ignore the ignorant.  They don't seem to care about education...so why bother trying?

thanks Tobi. I really was speechless from his post. You exteriorized what I was feeling inside but couldn't put it in words.

I actually didn't know what to expect. I really liked the answers people have written. Not disappointed at all.

The ignorance of supposedly educated people never ceases to amaze me Tobi.

But I'll let the GLAAD folks work to change the perception...and yes...they get my donations.

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It's a long journey to get to that destination.

You sound a lil tipsy with all that cursing... This ain't the beer garden hon!

And you're right. That wasn't the reason why I asked the question. I guess what I really wanted to have a sense of is... are guys looking to have a good time to someone they feel attracted to. or do looks mandate who you see, even if she is mediocre or detached during a session.  
Id like to think its NOT the latter.

Any time the discussion of TS providers comes up, there is always a handful of ignorant responses that say something to the effect of "DERP I'M NOT GAY SO I DON'T FUCK MEN" and it's infuriating. The fact that so many people in our culture can't differentiate sexual orientation from gender identity is astounding to me. I hope that in the not-too-distant future there will be less of this heteronormative bullshit.  

In any event, I just want to say that I think you are incredibly brave. Cisgender providers are marginalized in society enough as it is, so I can't even begin to imagine what you have to fight against being a trans*woman in this business. Many of my friends in my civvie life are transgender, bi-gender, or gender neutral and they are all amazingly beautiful, wonderful people with incredible stories. I'm sure you're no different. So yeah...rock on, sistah.

if the appearance,  performance and value were there it would not make a difference to me

but I have been very happy with my hobbying choices so there would have to be quite a draw....

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I want to her a soft well spoken feminine voice.

I see mein kampf; as a person in general, not based on what gender I identify myself with. I guess I was blessed with a feminine body and face (some may differ but that's ok).  

There are of course, hurdles and hardships associated with my gender and how I present myself like you say, but then again I don't dwell on them. For the most part I consider myself lucky that I haven't had bad experiences. And I am very happy with who I am. Supporting people (like Yourself) always see thru the bs and understand that we only live once and we have to make the most of it. Thanks for your input and support sistah

If TS have deep love towards men and would do everything (including "OP") to live like a woman to attract men, then it is totally understandable to TS that there are straight men who have deep love towards women and will behave everything like men to attract women so that human species would continue ...

Think about  logic before you say shit like that. Open-mindedness is actually a superset of gayness, bi-ness, ts, fetishes, etc.  It can include being gay or turning gay or seeing ts or being bi but it doesn't EQUAL to any of those. You can be open-minded but it does not equate to you being into swinging or poking needles or liking other fetishes.  It can mean a broad range of stuff but it doesn't equate to it.  Does this make any sense to you?  

So let's think about his question. He implied that since the guys here are openedminded,  he wondered if any of us we will ever see a TS.  

My answer was exactly that, even though some are open-minded it does not equate to us turning gay at some point. It can happen for some guys but it doesn't equal to it. Openmindedness € seeing a ts.  
He asked for our reply and I posted that in my case open mindedness will not translate into me seeing a ts. I'm sure that wasn't an unexpected answer for most guys.  

 I did say that there are possibilities in the future since who knows what modern medicine can do?  That is my answer and it was an honest one, nothing against him personally.  Sorry that he was expecting to hear a different answer and you seem really confused with subsets equating to supersets.  
 

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What do you call that? In my book,  it's considered pretty gay
 unless I got into that situation without consent or inform.  

If I didn't say that it was gay,  well I'd be lying lol.

try talking to yourself.

I just couldn't get an erection.

I think it was a chemistry thing or something because the person looked very nice and we had established a very good rapport over the previous weeks through emails and all.

We were both very disappointed in the situation.

Perhaps I'm reading your post wrong but you seem to be at least implying that guys who see TS hookers are gay. Personally, while I've never done it I don't think that makes them gay at all.  They're attracted to the TS because she looks like a real girl.  They would probably never fuck a guy who looks and acts like a guy.  I'm also guessing that most/many of them fuck real girls, too.  If they were gay they wouldn't do any of those things.
Anyway, I don't see why anyone cares.  As I said, it's irrelevant to me because my cock "goes Sumo" when it sees another dick.
On a related topic, how come guys are all skeeved out by gay men but get all hot and bothered when two girls are fucking each other?  Double standard much?  You will never find me watching gay male porn but WTF.

Gotta know...did you look (ever) in the showers in high school?

Come on...I won't tell  LOL

Still have no interest in TS...just not interested.  But we can debate till the cows come home (after doing some serious tipping mind you) that it isn't a gay issue.  It's not...and never will be.  But you see it otherwise...and just like GaG and I differ on this issue...so do you and I.

Just answer this one for me...why are you straight?  Was it taught to you...or were you just "wired" that way?

And I'll still bet that you looked in high school  LOL   My God...you might be gay?

aybe my definition of gay is a bit broad but to each their own.  I'm entitled to mine and the rest of the PC people can do as they wish.

I define being straight as wanting some real pussy

No real straight man wants that visual.  Its a torture just even thinking of doing that...  If you are gay, its one thing, and if you want to be curious how it feels, I'd say go for it, but your argument is asinine, given that this is a platform for straight as an arrow men..

No I don't think it's "fun" to suck a TS girl's cock... I just don't. I'd rather turn into a Buddhist Monk.  

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I truly cannot fathom that level of ignorance. And seriously? All of the "he/him" shit is massively offensive. She identifies as female, so at least be a decent human being and refer to her using the proper pronouns.  

No matter what your intentions were with those two mind-numbingly misinformed responses you posted, you're coming off like a complete bigot. I can't tell if you're being a dick on purpose or if you really don't know any better.  

You try talking to yourself... and while you are at it talk yourself into taking an acting class

That someone has a choice to be gay.

It isn't.

Why are you straight?  When you can answer that is when you'll understand why sexuality is not a choice.

And of course you're entitled to your opinion....we all are.

DA treads rather lightly in his penny loafers

We all might just be gay  

Except for DA...but that's OK.  Someone's got to hold the hetero fort down.

If you get drunk and have lots of sex, you've probably boned a TransSexual Provider

I feel so hurt.
But I just figured out why it's pointless for you to talk to yourself.  You wouldn't understand a thing you said to yourself.
You make about as much sense as this woman.  Is she your Mom?

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Otherwise how do you know it's not fun to suck a TS girls cock?

And watch that Buddhist Monk crap...they may have taken a page from the Catholic Church and the Priest's personal preferences?

"Not that there's anything wrong with that"

I simply stated the reasons why I wouldn't.  

Nothing against Gays or TS.

Can't say that I've ever felt the itch for a session with a TS, but have seen porn featuring them and they can certainly put heat into the scene.

Some, like you, are very cute and I'd be damn happy to receive an anonymous BJ without ever peeking underneath.  If I did look/feel and there's more undercarriage than expected, it'd throw me for a loop but even as I type this there's no reaction downstairs -- just don't think it'd be a turn on for me.

Have no idea if I've ever met a TS in a club or danced with one, so who's to say I've never made out with one?  Doubt anyone on this board can honestly say they've made it to second base with EVERY girl they've ever kissed, but there's exceptions to everything.

Plenty of people will protest (some a bit too much) about the idea.  But then again they have to live within their own minds so that's punishment enough.

Hopefully most of the ladies. Dang... it's now a dicksize threAD

You don't need to go through the whole ordeal.  How does idea of eating shit appeal to you? Wanna eat some poop to see if you like it or not...?

I am sure gays find kissing women disgusting as well, only to forget of course, that they are in this world (most likely) because of straight sex..

as you.

Look up!

It does exist.  And I'd say someone who likes TS girls certainly has bi-sexual tendencies. Perhaps we can meet in the middle on that?

I would like if i said that I was just looking for sweet people with sweet responses. My question was open to everyone who would be willing to participate. the douchiness of referring to me as a he though... that must be just ur natural charm .  

One can't truly speak of the things one hasn't experienced. Im open minded when it comes to fun. sure i will try it. its proven that one often times regret more having not tried something, than trying it and figuring one doesn't like it.

Not hardly.  Have you noticed there's a board for discussing TS providers?  And a TS ad board?  Clearly, there are enough fans of TS here to justify the bandwidth.

But thus far I have not pulled the trigger. To me there's nothing gross or disgusting about a beautiful woman with a cock. I find it kind of hot in fact. And for those wondering, I'm 100% heterosexual. Have zero desire to be with a man.  

But I will also say that only maybe once have I experienced a detached provider. But I think that's just because we didn't click. All my other experiences have been amazing. So I guess for me, seeing a TS girl would be about experiencing something new and not because I find anything lacking with the GG providers I see.

Thanks for posting!

Now listen to your Uncle Ron.

Not likely...but I don't disagree with your reply either.

You are also aware that some people do indeed eat shit..and are willing to pay a premium for it.

Something for everyone  

We can all make our own choices in this world.  But understanding someones interests is all the OP was really suggesting.  Hetero is generally not interested in opposite sex.  But as Nick just posted there is a percentage of people that are indeed bi...and bi curious.  While there is a percentage of people predisposed to homosexuality.  The question still begs in many peoples opinions is that homosexuality is a choice.  And that is IMHO ignorance.

Now about that fantasizing...do you do this often?

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Of course there are some strange guys on TS board, who wouldn't admit they are gay, or have gay like tendencies but would go see TS girls.  But again the question would not be appropriate for them as they are already enjoying TS sex..

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But you're wrong. It's sad that a provider would be so closed-minded about this, but not unexpected I suppose.

To each their own.

Seems people have a hard time accepting how some straight men view the act of sword fighting. Lol  

There's a reason why some are bi  some are straight etc. Nothing wrong with either.  

but asking for how we think,  well that's how I view it.  
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It's just the way we are. We might find the thought of it gross,  we might find it gay,  we might find it whatever. Either way, there are certain things we don't wish to try.  

This doesn't mean we have a thing AGAINST them or hate them,  just that we don't roll that way..

I'm not homosexual. I'm not bi-sexual. I'm not attracted to men in the slightest. I'm attracted solely to the female form and I identity very strongly as heterosexual.  

So Robbin, I'm not sure where that leaves us.

Prejudice is a ridiculously stupid thing that only speaks to insecurity. That being said, I am not personally interested in seeing a TS. I'm in no way shape or form a homophobe, I feel its none of my business what anyone else's sexual orientation is, it has zero effect on my life liberty or happiness. But I'm simply not intrigued or interested in a homosexual experience. I absolutely adore the female body, its a masterpiece, and I know I'll never get to see all of the women I want to see in my lifetime, so no reason to seek out surgically produced women.

I respect others right to do what they want to their bodies, especially if it brings them peace. It just doesn't do anything for me.

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Which makes you both right in my book.  Each of you is right for you and neither of you is judging anybody else for their identity.  I was going to say "choics" but it's not a choice.  People are just wired differently and should be able to live their lives happily and free of judgment.

Jesus tittyfucking Christ...... That is fucking priceless.

+1 reason to want to hang out with you

It's a good thing I hadn't started drinking Bourbon yet, that would be classified as alcohol abuse, and one shouldn't abuse good Bourbon.

fantasy for me. I've yet to fulfill it, but hope to some day. Gender nonconforming is incredibly hot. A question for you, Aleksandra- do you see cis ladies?

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No worries, IM. I get you.

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To be bi-sexual I would need to be attracted to men. I can promise you that I'm not. Sorry, but I just don't think that it's all that easy to put a label on.

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But I suck at phone sex.

But my kink hasn't really progressed as far as eating shit.. I have enjoyed "watching" some scat play on my computer, but that's about it.  

For the record, I do not have anything against gay or TS people, but I just find it stupid/ignorant that TS gal would come here and lecture us on finding fun with having sex with TS woman.. I am sure on this very board, I will have more agreeing with me, than those who truly find idea of having sex with TS appealing.

Don't ask me (us) for my (our) opinion.. You might just get it..

to attract women so that human species would continue.  

I am a straight man, but I feel no need to attract women to have children in order to allow our species to continue. I suspect that until a catastrophic event occurs the human race will continue to exist and grow. There are somewhere around 6 billion people in this world, I didn't find it necessary to add to those numbers.

I feel you are correct in that TS have a deep love towards men and will go to surgical lengths to live as a woman to attract men, and that straight men who have a deep love of women will behave and live as men to attract women. It's a dam good thing I've got my buddy Benjamin because I ain't attracting any good looking women without him.

There are men who are intrigued by and attracted to TS and that's great, especially for TS. Myself and a few others that have commented on here aren't, that doesn't make us closed minded or insensitive, it just means its not our preference. I will always defend a person's choices for themselves, as long as that choice doesn't impose on others. It's none of my business what sexual orientation or gender someone else is, as long as they respect my sexual orientation and gender their choices will have zero impact on my life, liberty and happiness.  

We really should celebrate our differences, if we all thought and felt the same way it would be an awfully boring existence.

Yes I have. In fact it was super hot. While I identify myself as a girl. I consider myself bi sexual in the sense that I like both men and women. I love the masculinity of a man just as much as I love the curves and femininity of a woman. About a month ago I had the chance to meet with a really sexy provider who had a TS fantasy and we hit it off quite nicely. I think we had an amazing time and we met a second time for round two LOL.  

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and openly gay men are rarely if ever attracted to transsexual WOMEN. Gay men are attracted to other men that don't have any female parts.

Trans genders feel like they are trapped in the wrong body, everything they feel and are oriented to is female/feminine. Trans gender women are attracted to MEN.

You know I "luv" ya but c'mon. I could be totally wrong here but I feel that transsexuals stay pre op because there is a market for them and secondly because the operation is expensive!!!

xoxo,

Steph

other wise.....

Reading DA’s responses reminds me of an afternoon spent at my grandmothers house many years ago. I was on a  road trip with my GF, and our travels were going to take us near a rural town where I have lots of extended family. I was planning to drive right on past. But when I told the GF how close we would be, she insisted we take the 100 mi detour and drop in for a visit.  

I insisted that was a very bad idea. Repeatedly. While I love these people and I KNOW, without doubt, they are some of the, steadiest, most honest and trustworthy and kind people on the planet, they're also deeply racist, anti-semitic and homophobic.....but in a completely 'theoretical way'. As in: They don't actually know any people of color, or Jews, or gays. *I* may be a lesbian. But, I'm not like all those OTHER lesbians, kind of way.  

My GF at the time was (and still is, I presume...lol) a half black, half Hispanic, Jewish lesbian born and raised in NYC, who worked as a labor union advocate for farm workers. GF insisted it would be JUST FINE. sigh....

The visit was a disaster. The GF was obviously black, but you wouldn't necessarily think hispanic. One of my  cousins went on a diatribe about the influx of hispanic workers to local farms; pointing out that they worked for cheap, but they were all drug dealers and criminals.  

As I could see the GF getting a look in her eyes that was decidedly not friendly, to break the tension, I suggested we have some lunch. At which point my grandmother jumped up and...looking directly at my GF with the warmest smile ever, said: " I'll go make fried chicken and greens. Colored people like that, right?"

It only got better when another cousin, who was in cosmetology school at the time, asked if she could touch my GF's hair......lol...

No insult was intended. In fact, to think that they had been rude to a guest would have been exceedingly embarrassing for them. They're a LOT better these days. They have cable.  

I can't explain DA

And I've seen some reviews of TS providers that described a detached attitude. So I really don't feel that's anything that's  more prevalent of either side. Clients will say what they want and who knows. maybe they were trying to give some kind of rationalization as to the why (when none was needed).

BTW nice to see you here!

Steph

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As a Progressive thinker I have consistently believed that sexuality is for the individual and not for the collective.  So if a Man is Gay he has the right (and the duty) to live his life as a Gay Man.  Not that - that is all he is as a person but it is a significant component.

Now, your question assumes that a person can switch in and out of sexuality.  Be it hetero, homo or bi. And for those of us in the Progressive community the believe is that that assumption is just wrong.

I would no more ask a Gay man to have sexual relations with a female Provider (or even fantasize about it) than I would ask a Hetero man to have sexual relations with male Provider or TS Provider.

As one who excepts sexuality as natural the question itself is just wrong.  

Yes a TS (man or woman) has the right to live their life.  They must also accept that the sexuality of hetero man is to be with a hetero woman.

RT.

By your assessment I can't be a lesbian if I like penetration. In fact, I like a real cock on occasion. Doesn't happen often. But when it does, I always enjoy it.  

And yep. I'm still a lesbian. Cock has not turned me BI. No matter how many times I've tried it

My intention was by no means, to lecture you on anything. I just came to ask a simple question. I do find it interesting that; You refer to me coming "here"... the board of the straight people lol. Its a board... there's people... One thing bring most of us to this forum... "sex". I do not think I'm being stupid nor ignorant by coming here to ask "intelligent" people like yourself, about sex. If I can't ask a question about sex in a sex forum... What's the point of the existence of this site?  

There's a difference between having a "kink" and having a passion for sex. with a girl or tgirl. or men etc... And I don't think that by choosing not to have sex with a tgirl makes you closed minded. Not at all. But you must admit that for you to refer to me as stupid/ignorant for coming to a "straight" forum to ask a question is pretty closed minded.  

Im all about breaking gender barriers. trust me... I didnt come here to preach to you. Again. Im happy to read from; smart and clever answers, to dumb and uninformed ones. You're welcome to cruise by the transsexual board.... oh wait... that would be stupid/ignorant of your part based on ur previous comment am I correct

I like your words... but I was asking about sex. not sexual orientation. People got homophobic way too fast about my question. Its also in our nature to explore. The subject of sexual orientation is so deep and intense... that this forum is too small for us to dissect every inch of it (if you will). I was oriented to like girls... i grew up in a very evangelical home. Yet I always felt different... but sure I tried to please everyone by abiding to what society and what parents taught me. That made me unhappy... In terms of a relationship; I'm straight. I like a man. In sex terms, I enjoy both. I never would have figured that one out if I never had been with a girl before... keyword... exploration LOL.

Thats why I said that one must not generalize. One can find detachment or businesslike behavior just about anywhere. I myself have never had such experience with gigis.

And she did start an interesting thread.

They probably have bi-sexual tendencies.  You don't have to only be straight or gay.  There is middle ground.  And to occupy it does not make you gay.  Human sexuality is very, very complex.

You like occasional cock but are not bi.  Sorry, but I have a hard time wrapping my mind around that.  I guess what it means is you just don't want cock very often?  OK.  Feel free to get in touch when you do! LOL!
But this is a great thread because it's helped me realize how broad the sexual spectrum is.

Speaking for my own self. I am a girl. When you say "it" I'm guessing you're trying to be gender neutral which I don't see anything wrong with that, I assume it is because you do not wanna offend anyone. But maybe some people would take offense that you are referring to them as inanimate objects LOL. As for me, I don't see myself any different than how you probably see yourself. I always have felt girly inside, and I think I also look girly on the outside... except for my equipment. So always thought of myself as a she.

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And who gets more likes is the winner.

She posted a question/comment and was looking for feedback.

Just like on any topic here...some will agree...some will disagree...most just mosey on to the next thread.

Scat play never did "shit" for me...sorry  

I 'get' why so many people are locked-in to their ideas about the 'right and wrong' way to express their sexuality. But, at the same time I really don't 'get it'. With even a little bit of honest self-reflection I think most people would realize they are not %100 anything as far as their sexuality. Even %99.9 is not %100.  

I can't explain sexual attraction. Then again, I don't think it should need to be explained. It sure as hell shouldn't have to be defended (assuming all of usual caveats--kids, animals...right?). I'm a lesbian who has been attracted to very butch women, very feminine women, cis gendered men, and I've been in a relationship with a (super hot) trans-guy (which even surprised me initially).

A beautiful woman with a cock? Sure!  

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Your mind, that is.

Right? If I was BI I would just say I was Bi.  

But I am not Bi. In the same way that heterosexual men can enjoy time with a transgendered woman (emphasis on woman), and STILL BE HETEROSEXUAL, I'm not wrapped-up in who I can fuck before I feel like I have to redefine my OWN sexual orientation---to everyone else' satisfaction.  

I'm a dyke. Trust me. I've known  this since I was a young child.

For thirty dollars.  

 
I'm too lazy to look for a image

 
Desperation!

Because I realize that you do not realize how offensive what you're say is.  

Robbin, you can't tell someone else what their sexual orientation is. You can't do this because you do not know them better than they know themselves. Now, I realize that many people are in denial about their sexual orientation.  

I am not one of those people.  

If a straight guy finds himself in a situation in which he's sandwiched between a woman and some other guy---even if, in the heat of the moment, he interacted with this other guy sexually...when he gets up, gets dressed and goes home, he is still heterosexual. He has not 'turned' gay.  

If a straight woman experiments with women (welcome to college), when she is done with that, she is still heterosexual---albeit a heterosexual woman who has had a homosexual experience. She may live the rest of her life having sex only with men; because she is, fundamentally, sexually attracted to men.  

That doesn't mean that if one day hubby floats the idea of a 3-some with another woman, and she agrees, and she even enjoys it that after that experience she is any less, fundamentally, heterosexual.  

Just because, on the rare occasion that the situation presents itself, and I enjoy spending time with a 'real' cock, this does not mean that I am, fundamentally, Bi. All that means is: I happened to end up in bed with a guy (typically as part of a couple). And, I chose to go with the flow. And why the hell not? The next day, I am still a lesbian. I have not 'turned' BI.  

Please check your unfounded assumptions about other peoples sexual orientation.  

Please.

a TS as act of turning gay.  Also,  enough research suggests people can actually turn gay.  If you don't belive me,  just take a look at the percentage of gay men who were straight before. I like you too,  but you seem to have your facts wrong.  

You see, Straight men are simple,  I either suck dick or I don't. I'm either  gay and suck dick or I'm straight.  There's no in between in the straight men world.  Really?  Do you think a guy who likes sucking dick isn't considered gay by straight men?  That's what the op is asking: whether any of us would plan on seeing a TS.  I simply stated that I personally view it as an act of turning gay.  

That's it.  I stand by what I said cuz that's exactly how I feel and I'm entitled to my opinion. Most genetic straifht men think like me although they might not blurt it out on a forum full of PC freaks.  

I'm not interested in this PC nonsense cuz it doesn't matter.  It's either a genetic girl for me or not.  Everything else is homo to me.  But I happen to like bi girls though.  

That does not mean I'm homophobic.  It just defines how I roll.  

That's how vast majority of straight men think,  sorry to disappoint you that they aren't brutally honest with you but I tell it like how it is.  You either like dick or you don't. There's really no bi for male species and the ones arguing this are in fact GAY.  

Op asked for what straight men think,  I answered veryhonestly.  Who cares about the semantics or what's called what,  I'm saying the op asked a question  
And  you answered saying basically the same thing I said, people don't turn gay.  That's what I said as well.

Why not choose the word bi, as these same guys might love women and TS. Why go right to gay? I think your revulsion is clouding your logical mind. Don't worry no gay guy or TS will feel you up, they have taste.

Perhaps if you were naming a pop-band or a neighborhood "straights" might work.

 

PS: I hate prostate exams and my doc's a woman.  I've also been with gals who supposedly are expert at prostate massage and it did less than nothing for me.  Does that mean I'm not gay?  Also, the only penis I like is mine. I'm so confused.

I know, Robbin. Just kidding. I've watched a couple of your videos. I didn't think that was a strap-on vagina.

If the execs like sucking both, why don't they just find a fat gay guy with moobs and save some money?

What is so complex about liking pussy. With out being attracted to males?

 
I say nothing at all.

 

 

 


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his male doctor's finger up his bung hole, then yes, a case could be made that he has gay like tendencies.

Oh wait....actually, I'm not. At all.  

Behavior is not an indicator of sexual orientation. Believe me, there are very few "gold star" LGBTQ people out there. Nearly ALL of us have had sex with someone of the opposite gender, AT LEAST once. And that experience did not make us BI any more than it made is straight.  

If simply having sex with someone of the opposite gender determined sexual orientation, hardly anyone would be gay/lesbian. And, honestly, who really needs the fucking head-ache. I've said this before and will say again: I could have made my life a lot easier by defaulting to telling people I'm Bi. But...umm....I'm not. Being an open lesbian is not exactly a trip to Disney Land.  

You're trying to speak with authority about something you clearly do not understand.  

That said, think what you like

Nick-----all the cocks in the world will not change my basic nature. And, I gave it hell years ago...trust me. I tried. I really tried.  

And then I stopped trying and just accepted it :

Makes one gay!

I trust you never took a gym class in your life?

Stop digging.  Some of those gay's may want to lick the sweat off you  LOL

And please stop suggesting that you're speaking on behalf of most straight men.  You're only speaking for yourself.  And that's fine.

You are an utter ass.

as long as they don't hate me just because I'm a hetero male. And I will be happy to serve as your Stunt Penis whenever you'd like.
As long as you're not too dikey looking'.

Seriously. Every time this subject comes up it's like getting pummeled by a tsunami of hetero-normative misperceptions.  

Jesus. Don't these people have cable?....lol...

You guys are playing the PC card far too much now.  

Gay is gay. If a guy likes it up the ass and likes to suck dick, well, sorry but he's gay.  It's different for women though, you can be bi but not lesbian.  

Women and men are not completely equal in body composition and preferences and that's a fact.  
Women having equal opportunity, I'm all for that. (Now if we get to neo-womansrights, I dunno cuz it seems extreme. but that's another topic).  

The differentiator here is that Men are supposed to be masculine and usually more dominant. You can't enjoy taking it up the ass and still be a masculine and / or dominant. i doubt it works that way. There's something about being a MAN and vast majority of women know this, aside from the ones pulling a PC card nitpicking everything that society was built on.  

On the other hand, from a male perspective, it's hot when I see bi-girls. I don't give a shit about their orientation as long as she's open to giving me some good head too.  In fact, I prefer bi girls cuz I get to play with her friend too.  

Now from a straight man's point of view observing another man being bi? Well, most of us don't see it that way. You can't be a man who is Bi. If you're a biological male who likes to suck dick then well you're gay.  Sorry, but you're gay.  It's a man thing. If you have a girlfriend but you're actually gay, then you're still gay cuz you like dick.  

Simply cuz I have clear definitions of what I consider gay, doesn't make me a homophobe. It just means I define things like how I see it.  This is also how vast majority of straight men see it, regardless of how much PC people try to get

No one said that there's something wrong with being gay. Having that said, straight masculine genetic men think very differently about taking or sucking dick. If a male likes cock, he's gay. Plain and simple.  
If he happens to like women too, then he's half-gay.  
No such thing as bi for men cuz you're either gay or not.  Sorry but that's just how vast majority of straight men think, whether or not the PC police thinks its ignorant. I think maybe it's also a masculinity related thing too.  

Girls might not see it the way straight men do because girls aren't the dominant masculine ones.  
The difference between men and women lies in the masculinity/ dominant department.  

Women are not the protectors, the strong ones, or the ones expected to lead and look "manly".  

It's ok for a girl to take it up the ass cuz that's just how it is and many girls like that. But for a guy to be doing that, well.  

In this regard, men and women are not equal. Not by a long shot.

Well I am pansexual- is that a word? Lol! I really don't care what someone identifies as. Attraction is attraction and when one can shed the shackles of heteroconformity (homophobia being one of them) one can really have a lot of fun!! Funny you say that women aren't as adventurous, but I know many more women willing to experiment with different genders than I do men. Of course, you would know many more men in that category! Lol!! Ain't sex grand?

Oh and by the way- thank you for starting this amazing thread!!! I've actually seen minds opening with my own eyes here. Priceless!! I hope you become a regular contributor.

Holy cow! Did I just read that? I'm quoting so I can show it to myself in the morning. This has really been the most amazing thread.

The important thing is straight men don't like dick.

Why?  

Cuz it sounds gay, or BI, or whatever the fuck else semantics the stupid PC police argues over.  Who the fuck cares what it's called?  The point is, we don't like dick and those of us who are not gay, we don't ever want to try anything related to that.  Hence my point: Openminded does not equate to us thinking of the possiblity of flipping and doing something that we perceive to be gay.  

Plain and simple.  No question about that.  Why ask further questions such as WHY we don't like dick? The only logical brutally honest answer to that is "it's cuz we think it's fucking gay!". Was it really the surprise of the century that straight men find such acts GAY? ROFL

As for calling us ignorant, homophobic for thinking that a man sucking a cock is gay, well, we're not the ignorant ones. It's the ones accusing people based on false assumptions. Nobody said we HATE anyone, it's just that we don't ENGAGE in gay activities because that's how we think, it's gay!

Who are these PC police trying to tell us that how we think is wrong? If everyone thought that sucking cock isn't gay then we'd all be sucking cock

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Your answer to HER question was no you wouldn't go down that road and most straight men don't. It was the rest of your that is just plain not true and the facts support it. And it's not just me on this thread that told you a thing or two. Make sure to use that angry face with them as well, DA!

Guys that see pre op TS's do not seek out the company of gay men and gay men aren't by nature attracted to TS ladies-PERIOD! Since they don't find feminine traits sexually appealing, they aren't into them.



Now have a great weekend and go get some hot pussy!




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But, just for the record, lesbians love you too. I don't recall ever actually meeting a lesbian who 'hated a guy because he was a hetero male'. And, I've been at this for a while.  

You hetero guys have made-up that shit in your own heads.  

And the local sexy toys-r-us can cover any need for a stunt penis. But, again, thanks, and duly noted :

You know exactly what I wrote and I never wrote "seeing". Now you're just making shit up. I know you're smarter than that.  

So that means you don't mind getting bumrushed and sucking some dick every now and then?  Is that how you roll?  

It sounds like you have tried getting butt funky before? You seem very open minded to it,  why don't I be the butt pirate for you tonight? I'll throw in a 1hr for free if you really enjoy it.  Just bring the proper 2500 milliliter ;

But when you refer to the OP as "he" (dude that is seriously rude), when you (quite ignorantly) say: 'Gay is Gay', when you repeatedly allude to someone "turning gay" (which is not possible), when you continue to be this overtly homophobic----and here's the kicker-----you obviously do not realize how offensive you're being----those of us that you are repeatedly insulting might speak-up. Deal.  

I'll add to that---not one single one of *US*, that *YOU* have been repeatedly (and, again, I am assuming, unintentionally), insulting have volleyed back with insults TO YOU.

This very post that you are taking exception to was an ATTEMPT to convey a message, in a neutral way, without resorting to being nasty about it.  

I don't give a shit who you chose to have sex with. But, I do have to say that it would not hurt you to examine some of your BS assumptions.

If you can produce a study by a recognized scientific researcher, I will literally eat my Sexuality Studies degree.  

First of all, why is it so offensive to call a she a he or a he a she? This PC thing has gone too far. I see a penis, it's natural for a straight man to call the OP a he.  If he wants to be called a she, well then fine.. not much of a problem. It helps to not show a penis on the website cuz most men will assume that a biologicla man with a penis is a he.  

The real question here is why would OP ask the question to a bunch of straight men if they will ever do something a straight man would consider a gay act?  That's essentially asking men if they'll turn gay. Any idot would understand the gist of where I'm coming from and this PC bullshit seems to cloud peoples minds.  

What YOU fail to understand here is that the OP essentially asked a bunch of straight men if they'll ever turn gay and do something gay. To me, having sex with a genetic man with a penis, I consider that act to be pretty downright gay. What's so BS assumption about this?  

It's an honest answer to the OP's question, did you want a flowered up PC answer?  

You're saying turning gay isn't possible but the OP essentially asked a bunch of straight men if it's possible for straight men to suck some dick and take it up the ass. That's the way the question sounded like?  

It's not an insult, just the way I perceive it.  Seems most other guys perceived it that way too, judging by the response

Or I could throw in the towel and recognize that would be as pointless as trying to explain this to my cat.  

And, don't get me wrong. My cat is super smart. As far as cats go, impressively clever. But no matter how carefully I explain things to her, all she seems to 'get' is "do you want more kibbles?" And "where's your toy?".  

Relax DA. Nobody is trying to turn you gay. And...yeah.....I can't....

And I will be honest in response.  The answer is "I've never considered it".  Why?  Simple...pussy.  

They've have known this for over a decade.

I'm not necessarily referring to gay men, gay women.  I'm mostly referring to the slang definition of it.  This is why so many PC people here are so overly obsessed over semantics arguing a completely moot point, arguing over dumb words instead of the point I was making: that a dude who wants dick is perceived to be gay by straight men.  

Here's what's REALLY amusing: the whole damn board uses the word "Hooker", derogatory word, so loosely. Nobody says shit but as soon as someone say GAY, the whole damn board suddenly becomes PC.  What's with the hypocrisy?  

The term gay is used loosely but nothing changes the fact that a dude wanting some dick isn't at least to some degree "gay". Why are the PC police arguing a valid reason from a straight hetero man as to why he wouldn't do certain things?  My answer is just as valid as any: it just plain feels gay and i like genetic women. Sorry that I can't find any other appropriate word to use to explain this, but it's just an honest answer.  

However, I did say that if a TS looks like my ideal type and seems nearly indistinguishable from a real women, I'd think about it it. Heck if a cyborg looks like a real women, I'll definitely get with it.  This is likely where I refer to as "open minded

Read the blurb at the bottom of the article. It's a parody response to another article. My god, man.  

P.S. Did you also miss that the study was conducted by "Dr. Queen" at "Boston Mass Genital Hospital?"

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Your welcome. And thank you for commenting on my posts  

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He also still loves lezzies like plants.
PS: When my old college gf masturbated she called it "beating my plant."

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I'm straight and the only penis I like is my own.  

For all the talk of freedom, language often puts us in bonds stronger than any steel.

Well, at least we can rattle them now and then if not completely shed them.

There are some recent findings that suggest "testoerone" levels may also play a key role in sexual orientation and get it from their parents of opposite sex through epi-marks not solely genetics. It has to do with controlling testoerone and estrogen levels of off springs, which affects their orientation.  Claiming that gay or bi is all GENETIC is a premature statement. While there are genetics, there are also other factors. For example, why are women far more prone to being bi or lesbian than men with same genetics? discovery had a good article stating this.  

http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/curiosity/topics/big-question-is-there-gay-gene.htm

“Although this could one day lead to a pre-natal test for male sexual orientation, it would not be very accurate, as there are OTHER FACTORS that can influence the outcome,”

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/us-scientists-discover-genetic-link-to-homosexuality/story-fneszs56-1226827773894

According to experts: "the door is still open"... and one can not conclude with certainty that it's all genetic yet especially when it comes to women due to their fluidity compared to men.  

There are also many cases where gay men turned straight, usually due to religious reasons
http://discovermagazine.com/2009/sep/09-is-it-possible-to-systematically-turn-gay-people-straight-straight

Some gay men CAN turn straight
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20010509/aponline013921_000.htm

While the genetic finding supports the thinking that homosexuality is hard-wired, the drug finding surprisingly suggests **it's not that simple**.  

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/12/11/scientists-make-fruit-flies-gay-then-straight-again/

Epi-marks not genetics: testosterone / estrogen levels play a key role.  (which control hereditary link of father to daughter and mother to son)

"These epi-marks protect fathers and mothers from excess or underexposure to testosterone — when they carry over to opposite-sex offspring, it can cause the masculinization of females or the feminization of males,"  

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/12/11/scientists-may-have-finally-unlocked-puzzle-of-why-people-are-gay

For the record though, I have nothing against gays, or bi's, or ts.  I want to make that clear. Being a genetic guy who doesn't like to start shit with people,  I generally avoid controversial discussions if it could hurt someone's feelings or if I have a drastically differing belief. Exception would be religion cuz I flat out reject it and I am a proselytizer of science.  

I am simply saying IF you were to ASK me how I personally feel about this, I would tell you that I find any kind of homosexual act with a genetic man or seeing a TS to be on par with the unthinkable, and that is the reason why I don't ever PLAN on swinging the other way.  Asking a straight man if he'll ever see a TS is hence essentially equivalent to asking him if he will "turn gay". There's no offense intended with that statement, it's just the absolute honest answer from a genetic man who is 100% straight.  

However, I also stated that if TS or an android robot looks like my ideal type and has closely similar female parts, then I wouldn't dismiss the possibility of being aroused by her.

"sexual studies degree!?" Huh.