or are you more attracted to overt femininity/feminine characteristics (or can you do either)? Thank you!!

Sure, she is often styled that way but just looking at her face and figure?  Nope, not at all.  Not to me, anyways.   I've always found her to be beautiful and fierce, and sure, in some photos she looks like Wesley Snipes but that's the intention.

I have one favorite who is a spinner with a very boyish body that I find irresistible.

I think both those women are drop dead gorgeous and there are also some feminine men that I find attractive as well (eg David Bowie, Jared Leto). It's the best of both worlds.

but i hear Hermes and Aphrodite used to date..

Will say no. I think the majority are into the traditionally perceived and manufactured form of femininity. Anything much shy of this will possibly be met with "hell no". This board does have a very tiny %age of men who do embrace women who are a little left of the societal norm.

I prefer to say I like women who look like women, since when is having "normal" taste something we men need to apologize for? I am not into bull dykes, TS's, women that look like men, fat women, old women etc etc etc. I like young, beautiful, feminine women, and I refuse to apologize for it.

....as well as otherwise "feminine looking" women with tats, piercings or non traditional hair colors.

I didn't like her look when she (and I) were young, and I care even less for that look today.

and perhaps that is true,  

You might have missed my point.
Those are 2 separate camps, IMO.  
The tats, piercings & purple hair camp can still be on an ultra feminine looking lady..... that is one of my fave looks, in fact. But alot of older guys will immediately dismiss an otherwise hot feminine girl because of her body mods. They would also dismiss any androgenous chicks, with or without body mods. My point was that alot of older guys will only accept a very traditional looking woman. Believe me, I ain't judging. To each their own. I appreciate androgeny, but I prefer a more traditionally feminine looking woman myself.  Body mods optional ;

I am also in the camp that "prefers" a more natural look, I am not a big fan of tats, piercings etc, but I am NOT one of those guys who will dismiss an otherwise hot, feminine looking woman simply because of her "body mods" I do subscribe to the mindset however that thinks if a woman looks hot with a lot of ink, she would probably look hotter without it, but that doesn't mean I am going to throw her out of bed for it. Androgeny OTOH, I would never let a manly looking woman into my bed in the first place. As I have said a thousand times "I am unapologetically hetero" not a homophobe mind you, but any sign of masculinity makes my willy do his turtle act.

Why do you think I find fat men highly unattractive...the flabby belly, the tits, the stretch marks and the cellulite. Not my idea of masculinity.  

Have I ever once criticized you for being just as picky in your "preferred" choice of men as I am in my choice of women?

Yes, I find androgyny incredibly sexy, both superficially and more profoundly.

I am not arguing anything. You have every right to CHOOSE who you want to pay for sex. I have every right to choose who I have sex with without paying. P4P, I get what I get BUT I knew this going in that I would not be attracted unless a miracle occurred and my type showed up.  

Especially the part about my weak stomach.

I try and stay out of these things here because, I get it, this is a committed culturally left place.

(and I am reminded why I don't go on the General boards). Androgyny/gender fluidity is something I find extremely appealing myself and I feel I've lured many over to that side if they didn't already have a taste for it before, but obviously it's not anyone's cup of tea. Just interested to hear if the popularization of more androgynous figures in media has had any effect on the sexual imagination of the larger client pool...
Thanks!

(and yes, I am a provider, hence 'market research.') Tori, Erin, Inari, we'll be in touch. ;P

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I'm going to speak to this from a highly personal standpoint, as gender-fuckery/gender-fullness/gender fluidity are part of my daily life. Most of this was formed during my teens and 20's and has a lot to do with coming to terms with femininity and fatness.  Cultural moirés  had me believe that i could not exist as a fat person and as a feminine woman. I struggled with my gender presentation partly because normative femininity was denied to me due to my body type, and partly because I didn't have a way to talk about my sexuality (when "gay", "straight", and "bisexual" were my only options in the early 2000s, discovering "queer", "sapiosexual", and "pansexual" were saving graces).  Being 5'10" and fat doesn't lend itself to the stereotypically feminine after all, and in my early teens my clothing choices came almost exclusively from the men's department.  That struggle, once rectified, brought forth the combination that I present as now, and it's been successful both in my personal life and in my professional life.  Men's clothing is still a staple in my wardrobe.  My taste was obviously influenced by the struggle I encountered as a teen, but now that I'm aware of gender as play, my selections are intentional.  It's still a bitch to wear men's clothing when you've got big boobs, though.

She spoke about not liking machismo chest-thumping from anyone, be they a cis-man, trans man, or lesbian.  

My taste is not the same as yours.  Who cares?  Everyone is wired differently.  So we are turned on by different things. You like what you like.  I like what I like. It's all good.  The only thing that isn't good is judging someone else's preferences.

I'm going to assume your response isn't a meta joke about insecurity.

I really enjoyed reading about your trajectory. Stimulating in all sorts of ways. Also, you a hot queer. (Apologies my response isn't more thoughtful, all my energy went into addressing the "preposterousness" of my personal tastes.)

We definitely have a lot in common. Nothing sexier than gender play. Nothing more revolutionary, either.

And a fucking great smack down!

Just watched the video and LOLed. Great start to my Monday...well done Sarah.

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Big Buck fan. Not familiar with the lovely lady though, who is she?  

Nicely muscled body, tats and a nice big clit to play with. And she is gorgeous.

What you argue is all well and good. You claim to lay out a carefully constructed content neutral list of what you find sexually appealing about androgyny. But why then do you use the term "subversion"? This is about androgyny no? What was the point of mentioning "insecurity"? Why did you go into the "why" of what you find appealing if this was just a content neutral list?  

If so, I'm cool with it...to a point.  The weird thing about me, is it doesn't matter if she's a "natural born woman" or a TS...either way, she's got to look very feminine and girly-girl.  It's more important with the transsexuals I see, but even the natural-borns  are going to be more attractive to me the more girly they look.

If someone came on here and made an OP about how they didn't care for "masculine looking women" and then a bunch of guys piled on agreeing how they didn't like it, THAT would be judgmental.

While more folx (both trans and non-binary/genderqueer identified) are expressing outside of the traditional gender binary, trans women still have a huge stake in 'passing' as women. Almost 20 trans women have been murdered just this year. I think a lot about AFAB (assigned female at birth) privilege in my gender-play and ability to be fluid or androgynous without much more repercussions than a few ignorant or nasty comments. Also aware of thin privilege, as androgyny is so often conflated with thinness (thank you Erin for bringing this up!)

Like the time he ran a campaign to profit off of trans folx raising money for surgeries and asked them to create art for free to sell on his site... for their surgeries... off of which he was making money...

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Were you asking for honest opinions, or did you just want us to blow smoke up your ass?

I thought it was obvious my "judgmental" comment wasn't directed at you.  Just to clarify, I like the same kind of women you do and "androgynous" isn't it.  So, of course it's fine with me if you prefer to avoid androgynous as long as you don't judge people who like that look.  And you did not do that.
PS: Have I got a goil 4 U!

Gorgeous!

I've had a crush on her for years. Sadly, I think she's no longer around. She used to be a provider way back when.

Seren Love, and sadly she's no longer around. Perhaps she's moved on in life. Papicock is the guy in the video- he's a drag king. The lady he's performing with is his girlfriend, and her name is iCandy. He's amazingly sexy. Oooooozes sexiness. I wish there were a better video of them performing.

Mmmmm....

Don't tell me he's a dick!! I keep hearing bad things about people I fantasize about sexually. It's ruining my wank time!! I seriously have lost my ability to masturbate to Sean Connery, Johnny Depp and David Draiman over shite I've heard.

Wow- that's hot!! And I appreciate it.

it's always such an awesome event when people can connect about issues like this.

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