Rate of irgasm for me is between 99 and 100%. Now that I no longer fuck women my own age, I rarely have to fake it. As far as women go, The only times I can't make a pussy O is if she's actively resisting. I'll be the first to admit this sometimes happens with higher volume providers that still have more customers to see the same day. Just like with men, many O's can be tiring.
ROFLMAO Haven't you noticed the women who wouldn't tolerate being with you if not for the donation, come quicker than the one who would love you if you were broke.
I expect you won't find much resistance as long as you throw down the proper donation.
The truth you haven't noticed, money can't buy true love from a woman but it can buy multiple fake orgasms.
Posted By: coeur-de-lion
Re: I would say the percentage . . . . Rate of irgasm for me is between 99 and 100%. Now that I no longer fuck women my own age, I rarely have to fake it. As far as women go, The only times I can't make a pussy O is if she's actively resisting. I'll be the first to admit this sometimes happens with higher volume providers that still have more customers to see the same day. Just like with men, many O's can be tiring.
but this time he left himself a much better "out" than the last time he stepped in it by allowing that
"this sometimes happens with higher volume providers"
considering he sees almost exclusively K-Girls who are by their very definition "high volume" he left himself a LOT of wiggle room.
As for your statement, I "mainly" agree with you, but if we are talking "real" orgasms I find hookers in general take longer to "O" than most women who don't have sex for a living. It's rare that I am with a pro who cums quickly. It happens, but it's rare. OTOH, I have had civvie girls who could cum in just a few minutes. As far as percentages, only a fool believes he knows it EVERY time a woman has an orgasm. I don't even pretend to know what percentage of women actually cum when having sex with me. I am not foolish enough nor arrogant enough to have deluded myself into believing it comes anywhere near 100%
Lastly, I used to be in the 99-100% range where it came to "finishing" at least where it came to my first, second, or third time of the day. As I get older, (and depending both on how much fucking I am doing and how much I've had to drink) I find myself more in the 90% range for "finishing" and much, much lower than that once I reach the third, fourth or fifth time having sex in any one day.
Providers take much longer to O than civvie women, even when they are receptive or want to have an O. Twenty to thirty minutes of stimulation is normal, and some can take as long as long 4o minutes or even longer. There are other variables that affect the length of time like whether its their first of the day, or have they already had a few. However, if you know what to do, AFTER the first one, the second one will be quicker unless you take a long break and let her come completely back to rest. This is the main reason 90% of my sessions are 2 hours or more. As you suggest, its a substantial time commitment to get most providers to an O. In a one-hour session, it leaves little time for her to show you what HER skills are.
I must be a fool, then, because its a medical fact that there are physiological changes that take place in a woman's body leading up to, and during, orgasm, including changes in pulse rate, respiration, and involuntary muscle spasms. Granted, respiration can be faked, which can also raise the pulse rate slightly, but there is a huge difference between a voluntary muscle contraction and an involuntary spasm during orgasm. Things that most guys look for as stated in their reviews, like the volume of moaning, can also be completely faked. If you know what to look for in the physiological responses of her body, you should never be fooled, IMO. The fact that you don't know the medical science behind it is why you "don't even pretend to know what percentage . . . . ." At least you're honest about it. I learned to eat pussy (and use my digits more effectively) from a Lesbian (in an unusual threesome with a bi-girl we both liked) in my early 20's, so I know what to look for. Believe it or don't, I don't give a shit. The ladies will be the judge. I have often said in my reviews which girls provide the BEST fake orgasms, so obviously, I know the difference.
I have a feeling Quad is another one of the low-volume fossils around here, so its not surprising he is clueless about the female body. He probably shaves one leg at night so it feels like he's with a woman when he goes to bed. Lol
Just because you know/knew a lesbian doesn't mean you have the slightest idea how to eat a pussy, just like knowing gay guys doesn't make a woman a world class cock sucker.
It's also a myth that lesbians are the best at eating pussy. I have been told that a lot of lesbians are entirely too rough when eating pussy, one time during a threesome I even had one of the two girls ask the other to be more gentle and that she liked the way I ate her pussy better than that other girl as I was more gentle with her. That's not to say I eat pussy better than the average lesbian, just that when painting with a brush as broad as yours, especially a brush that serves for you to claim universal expertise in a matter that is as subjective as sex, painting with that broad brush of yours just makes you look you foolish and clueless as no two women react the same way to the same stimulus.
Not only are all women different, but even the same woman might want you to do things differently from one day to another, just like even simple creatures like us men don't always like our dicks sucked the same way. The fact you try to claim universal knowledge due to your "training" by a lesbian some 30+ years ago just proves you don't have a fucking clue. Any guy who claims to know the "secret" to pleasing a woman, other than paying attention to what each individual woman wants/needs is a fool or a liar, or a foolish liar. lol
All I know is that I have often been told that I "eat pussy like a woman", to which I used to respond, "Is that bad?" The answer was always the same . . . . . "No, that's good." I have to agree with most of the details you gave. As you often point out, my posts are often in general terms. I'm sure there are Lesbians that don't know how to eat pussy, just as there are men that don't, but the one I learned from was touted to me by a VERY Bi-girl I was dating as the BEST she had ever had, so we set up a threesome, and I went to school. I beg to differ with you on your claim there is no "universal" knowledge about the "secret" to pleasing a woman. There are some techniques that ALL women like, at least the ones I've met. That's like saying no two guys like their dick sucked the same way, and that there are "secrets" to sucking dicks that a lot of women don't know. Most guys get the "same" technique from a particular woman, and MOST will come away happy with the experience, so why does she need to pay attention to how each guy reacts? How many guys do you know that blow in a girl's mouth and then complaint it was a bad blowjob? If they cum, do they really care how you got them there? Its the same for women. (Granted, some are better than others, but its not a "secret.") Do you see the irony in how "foolish" and I will add, "naïve", YOU sound? And for the record, I have no idea about gay men sucking cocks, I will have to leave that to you "experts." Its disingenuous to compare two hot women eating each other's pussy to two men sucking each other off. Its apples and oranges to most of us straight men who would love seeing two women eat each other, but would have no interest in watching two men.
The example you gave of your experience in the threesome is not relevant to your point, where one girl had to tell the other to be more gentle. Probably neither one of them was a bonafide Lesbian. If they were, they were inexperienced. They were most likely two providers acting bi-sexual for the money.
I only have a moment to respond, but as to your last statement about the threesome I mentioned, it was quite the contrary. Yes they were both providers, but the overly aggressive one was not "gay for pay" she was the exact opposite, she only dated women in her personal life, but didn't mind getting a bit of dick for pay.
My guess is that despite your claims, you really haven't known a lot of lesbians, many lesbians are much more aggressive than the average man, and many of them tend to be VERY rough when eating pussy, and not all women like it rough like that.
A word of advice, if you would quit talking in generalities or even worse making claims like "All women" I wouldn't have to be constantly calling you out for it. Picking up after you every time you make a dumb or inaccurate statement could end up being a full time job.
until you are forthcoming with all of the details, something you call others out for when they don't give the whole story up front. I admit nothing, but for the sake of argument, "IF" someone has to pick up after me, its better that its you than someone here that doesn't know what they're doing. It might be a full time job SOME days, but I'm not ever paying you, so don't even ask. BTW, I know plenty of Lesbians and gay men. I started out my business career in an industry that has a very high proportion of gays to straights. Currently, my right hand man (general manager) of my principal business is a Lesbian who has been with me for 25 years. She's the only one in my org that I trust with the info that I'm a monger. Sometimes, after work, we go out for happy hour and swap stories about some of the great pussy we have each had.
but if this woman has been with CDL for that long she must be at least well into her 40's, so unless she is both Asian AND very well preserved I doubt very seriously that lopaw is going to have any more interest in this woman than you or I, or even CDL for that matter.
two years younger than me, so she is well into her 50's. A year after we first met, and shortly after she told me she was a Lesbian (I had no clue until she told me one day after a few drinks because she wore tight skirts, high heels, revealing blouses and full makeup, not exactly what my own narrow-minded view of what a Lesbian was at the time), I jokingly told her if she spent the night with me, I could "convert" her to liking men. She said okay, as long as SHE could bring a strap-on and convert ME to liking men. Coincidentally, the idea of the two of us getting together never came up again. Lol She's still in pretty good shape, but at her age, her civvie options are starting to disappear unless she wants to settle down with some OTHFB, so I have suggested she join the ranks of us mongers and get all the 30-somethings she wants. She's thinking about it. I agree with your conclusion that Lopaw would not be interested unless she was a well-preserved Asian woman, which she is not.
.... but I'd be much more willing to share monger tips than a bed with your gal pal
Speaking of well preserved Asians (w/o the "well preserved" part!) - I am meeting a "k-girl" (big agency, not local booker) touring LA from Chicago tomorrow and I'm amped. Wish me luck!
There are two Kgirls offering doubles in the BA right now, and I hear they are into girl-girl action (they're billing it as a "two girl SHOW"), so if either of them head this way on tour, I will shoot you a PM.
My k-girl today was fabulous. A very k-girl experience (mouthwash, towel cleanup, shower, apartment), but at twice the price, lol. That's what i get for booking an out of towner, lol. But I happily paid it for a romp with a 25yo Korean Kutie!
THEN I will post here that you should get PM. No way to know in advance when that will be, so no need to act now.
Glad you had a good time. Now that you had a successful experience, you should be able to hit up the same booker for other opportunities from other girls on the roster. Most bookers manage 6-12 girls. Since you were new with them, the first girl you see will report to the booker that you were kind and respectful, and that gets you the keys to the city for anybody else you want to see, providing they are up for F-F action. I have met several Kgirl hookers that are Lesbian or Bi- in their private life and would also do it for pay. The opportunity just doesn't come up very often because there are so few lady mongers that like Kgirls.
...who asked me to check back with him in a few days to see if he had any traveling girls heading down our way who were up for some g/gplaytime. He was by far the friendliest most communicative booker that i have ever encountered, so props to him. I think I really got him when I mentioned that I was "a very generous lady client", lol.
goes a long way with the girls, but they also tell the booker who the customers are who tip well, so you get some currency with the booker as well. I have had some top-tier girls that even told the booker to give me priority, which means if I ask for a certain time slot that is already taken, the booker should move the other customer so that I get the time I want. I mostly book two hour sessions on girls I am repeating with, and that will get some priority with most bookers, too, as well as indies. How many threads are started here by one-hour mongers complaining they got cancelled at the last minute by an indie. Its easier to take when an agency does it because they will have another girl that is available at the time you wanted if you're not flexible that day to take a later time with the girl you originally asked for. With indies, when you get bumped, you either have to start over trying to find a replacement on short notice, or else go home and rub one out (Don't try to tell us you haven't done that - lol).
With newer girls, the booker looks good to the girls if he sends them customers who tip well, which will earn their trust, but he/she first has to know which customers tip. I have come right out and told new bookers I am a tipper just like you did rather than waiting for the girl I saw to tell them after the fact. I have also found that I get more honest recommendations from the bookers because I'm a tipper, so I rarely get a rec on a new girl that they haven't already gotten positive feedback on from customers who have already seen her, which keeps me from wasting money on the occasional duds in the long run. If you give feedback to the bookers yourself on which girls you saw that you liked the best, their recommendations will be even that much better. because rather than just pimping the "new" girl to you, they will recommend girls that are a match to the "type" you like for both looks and service. Many Kgirl mongers view themselves as customers of certain girls, but I think of myself as a customer of the bookers. The girls come and go, but I know I will be doing business with the bookers for many years. Accordingly, I have developed many close friendships over the years with bookers which have paid dividends in my hobby life.
I'm way late to the party on this topic, but I dont think that being a lesbian automatically makes her a pussy maestro. Each human being is different, some like it gentle, some prefer a rough approach. While I would think a woman would me more adept at finding another womans sweet spots than a completely clueless male....that does not mean that their technique is a given to the promised land. I've been with many women, and usually have to adjust my technique to each woman. Some tell me I'm the best, but I've had others that I wanted to slap on the thigh to see if they were awake, and a myriad of responses in between. The more times with a partner... the more successful I've been at bringing her to orgasm, simply through learning her body. I rather imagine that lesbian partners experience the same " trial and error".
being a Lesbian was enough, anymore than I would say every guy with a dick knows how to use it to maximum effectiveness for a woman's pleasure. This particular Lesbian was hand-picked by my bi-girlfriend as the best pussy licker she had ever met, and she had been with many Lesbians, so I just took her word for it. Its just like playing the violin, if you want to be good, you first learn form the best teacher you can find, and then you spend the rest of your life practicing, which for me and pussy, is usually three or four times a week with different girls. With that said, I will agree with others here that everyone is different in what they like (by way of example, I don't ever ask for Greek, but will do I if the girl is into it and asks me to). I have found that there are some techniques that every girl likes, but there are also some that many don't like, and the "dislikes" vary from girl to girl.
Once I get them on the outside and they are OTC, they cum much more easily. It always takes longer during a session, so it has little or nothing to do with the donation. Its curious that you use the term, "proper donation." It suggests that you either short the girls sometimes, or are a "non-tipper" (a polite euphemism for cheap bastard - lol). I can tell from talking to some of my friends who were once non-tippers, and who have since become tippers, that the providers view you a lot differently when you consistently tip a respectable amount. If this is the case for you, then its not surprising that YOUR view would be that every provider fakes it with every John. If I were in your shoes, I would probably have the same narrow-minded view.
What makes you think I haven't noticed your "truth?" Of course money can't buy love. I wouldn't even try. But providers fall in love with customers all the time (many guys here have experienced it), and just read some of the provider's past posts here about falling for a customer who has transitioned into a boyfriend. In my experience, they pick their outside relationships by looking for the same qualities in a man that are valued by civvie women. A guy either has these qualities or he doesn't. Your narrow view that provider-customer relationships never evolve beyond the sex-for-money dynamic is naïve and misinformed, but in reading some of your posts, its pretty easy to see why YOU think that way.
IMO Anything more than the proper donation she usually mentions on her web site is considered a tip.
In your case the proper word for tip would be gratuitaculation.
Do your payed for ladies Orgasm with more intensity with a larger tip, or does one size tip fit all her prosaicperiences with you .
Where did you find imaginary words of mine that claimed "provider relationships NEVER evolve beyond the sex-for-money dynamic" Try to keep your analytic mundane answer less than a thousand words so the dilatory here might take the time to enjoy your reply.
but then he will insist on painting with that broad, self aggrandizing brush of his and he ends up giving the rest of us a good belly laugh at his expense.
EVERY woman overtly invites him to rebook, and EVERY he sees cums for him, not to mention he knows EVERY time an orgasm is fake or real. Quad, we are in the presence of greatness, show some respect. lmao
from your posts you seem to be jaded about the industry to the point that I doubt you have ever gotten past the sex-for-money dynamic yourself WITH any provider. Now you are suggesting that their O's have something to do with the SIZE of the tip, when all I said was tippers generally get better all around service than non-tippers, , which makes me think that getting a provider to O is scarce for you in your hobby activities. It might be that you are just bad at it. Some guys can tip as much as they want, but will still not get the girl to an O. The intensity of the O has more to do with the skills of the person performing the DATY, as I'm sure lady mongers would attest, and if you had much experience with women, you would know this and realize what a stupid assertion it was to ask if the O's get more intense with a bigger tip. The girls I know tell me that once they know a guy is bad at DATY (I have never heard of a woman that is bad at DATY) , they will either fake a quick O a few minutes in, or else avoid it altogether. You seem older than a millennial, so I am surprised you don't know more about women's orgasms than you appear to.
Although you define what you meant by "proper donation", i.e., the amount she lists as her fee, and you say, anything over that is a tip, you stop short of saying whether or not you are a tipper. Any reason you are dodging that point?
OTOH, I have to give a little respect to a guy who gives the finger to autocorrect, with words like gratuitaculation, prosaicperiences, and kindstorted. However, I would think that even a wannabe wordsmith like you would know the difference in usage between "payed" and "paid." Got rope? Lol
If you hope to be known as pedantic and not befuddantic the least you should do is spell my explication of your writings as written.
"Thanks for another laugh, kindistorted guy"
You won't catch me using auto correct, laziness could lead to mindlenfusion.
Posted By: coeur-de-lion
OTOH, I have to give a little respect to a guy who gives the finger to autocorrect, with words like gratuitaculation, prosaicperiences, and kindstorted. However, I would think that even a wannabe wordsmith like you would know the difference in usage between "payed" and "paid." Got rope? Lol
the guys that go to such great lengths to try to impress with big words use the wrong ones and then say it was an "accident." Priceless., AND predictable. Jake has been MIA, so its up to the rest of us to call out the fake "intellectuals." I can imagine that you spend about the same amount of time each week looking up words as I do fucking providers. We each have our own priorities, I guess.
I'm sure it has been noticed by others, not just me, that you have avoided the substance of my post in that you have only responded to the "footnote" about your word usage. We will assume the rest is accurate, and that you pretty much suck at DATY and that is why throughout this thread you have such a jaded view of guys being able to get a provider to cum more times than not. Its okay, nobody can be good at everything. (AND some can't be good at anything because they are plagued by "accidents." LMAO).
If you ever imagined me as a wanna be big word intellectual, an elitist of any sort or a braggart, you are on another one of your gullible imaginary journeys.
On the other hand it's very possible, judging by your rambling, you are merely dumbed down beyond belief.
I admitted my spelling of paid was a mistake but I did find it hilarious I payed out rope YOU grabbed, when you misspelled my intentional word chopped description of you as kindistorted guy. Try copy and paste next time for better results.
Does your lesbian friend give you refresher DATY lessons to ensure your Tipped Pay4Play Gals give you more fake orgasms than a kindisorted guy could ever dream of ?
P.S In the possible case you haven't caught my drift this late in the game, those big words you speak of that I use are not in the dictionary, they were merely fun word twisting, intended to mock your gullible nature concerning your self administered {with Lesbian help} DATY degree. ROFLMAO
I apologize for not writing lustful novels to fit your fancy but I've never felt the need to speak braggodoidiocy
Thanks for taking the time to amuse me.
Posted By: coeur-de-lion
Re: Its always amusing when . . . . . the guys that go to such great lengths to try to impress with big words use the wrong ones and then say it was an "accident." Priceless., AND predictable. Jake has been MIA, so its up to the rest of us to call out the fake "intellectuals." I can imagine that you spend about the same amount of time each week looking up words as I do fucking providers. We each have our own priorities, I guess.
I'm sure it has been noticed by others, not just me, that you have avoided the substance of my post in that you have only responded to the "footnote" about your word usage. We will assume the rest is accurate, and that you pretty much suck at DATY and that is why throughout this thread you have such a jaded view of guys being able to get a provider to cum more times than not. Its okay, nobody can be good at everything. (AND some can't be good at anything because they are plagued by "accidents." LMAO).
That's why I mocked you by saying you give the finger to autocorrect. The nonsensical words most likely would have been changed to something else, so you had to purposely spell them like that, which I agree, was NOT an accident.
You're still trying to deflect from your own inability to make a woman cum. You're the quintessential low-volume hobbyist. What do you expect? Its like a retired musician that doesn't practice anymore, but still thinks he can pick up his axe and someone will enjoy hearing him.
If you can't afford to tip, then you should hobby less often, maybe two times year instead of three, so that you CAN tip. Whatever minutia you have learned about how women's body's work from the limited experience you have is not going to be affected if you cut it back a little so you can afford to tip. Must be tough to find providers that will fall within the Social Security budget. If you're just opposed to tipping in general, then I feel bad for your barber, waitress, manicurist, tailor, dry cleaner, and the rest that have to endure your attitude that everyone makes enough so tipping is not necessary.
So when WAS the last time you had pussy, paid or otherwise? You just seem like another bitter old guy who can't get it up, or can't keep it up long enough, and so you have an ax to grind with those that still can. You live in the past on this board.
The reviews on another review site include a summary line consisting of acronyms which depict features/activities of the session. Most are easily recognizable or decodable. It took me a while to decode IOP, though. It is "Illusion of Passion." Reflecting on that ….. if the lady is good enough at creating the illusion then does it really matter to you if it is real or an illusion? You are having exactly the same experience either way!
Sartre, Descartes, ... I'll bet that all you really want to talk about is the honor of your ball sack. What a Human Comedy this is. . - Je suis tourmenté par de mauvaises idées. ("I am tormented by temptations.") - En quel genre? Ça se guérit, les idées. ("What kind? There is a cure for temptation.") - Comment? ("What?") - En y succombant. ("Yielding to it.") -- Honore de Balzac, from "Le Père Goriot" (in "La Comedie Humaine"), 1835. . (Seems to predate Oscar Wilde's "The only way to get rid of temptation is to yield to it." (Picture of Dorian Gray, 1890.))
As much as I don't want to, I Kant avoid posting again to this wreck of a thread. (Be careful with the threads! Euripides, Eumenides. Am I clear?) . It's like a Nietzsche that just has to be scratched. Well, by Hooke or by crook, I'll just Goethe the point. . Your (plural) stupid puns and double entendres have sewn Confucius and discord among us. The pressure is building up inside me, to so many Pascal. I have to go Against Method and, though I don't want to flame you guys, I must be a bit of a Feyeraband in order to get my point across. (I really want to Locke all of you up and throw away the Keynes. Or maybe shoot each and every one of you (except Rasha , of course) with Zeno's Ken Arrow and, I warn you, I AM HALFWAY THERE ALREADY!) I'll just put Penn to paper and try to Russell up some of my thoughts even though I can't be Thoreau in this small space. Some of you might want to Hegel with me; some of you might want to agree and Eco my sentiments. . I note that many of you are somewhat loose with your usages. You select names or concepts and mold them to your allegedly humorous purposes as if they were willing lumps of colorful Plato rather than well established, well formed ideas. It annoys me and makes my blood Boyle. It pains me so much that my eyes become Dewey and tearful. . Some of you are probably not following this and are sitting there with one finger up your nose while you Epicuras with the other hand. . My rant could go on for an hour, another hour, or even a Schopenhauer. . I'd like to try to end on a friendly note. Please sing along: . So let's make the most of this beautiful day, Since we're together, we might as well say, Would you be mine? Could you be mine? Won't you be my Niebuhr?
What do you take me Fourier? Some kind of Fouillee? Let me be Franck: I have now halved the distance to my quiver of Zeno's Arrows and I am not a-Frede to use them, when I get there.
that we pay for. If guys wanted reality, they would fuck their wives instead. For me, reality would be fucking women my own age. I think IOP is similar to GFE, also used to denote a fantasy experience, and certainly has a place in the monger lexicon.
Fucking the same woman over and over again "until death do you part" might be someone else's reality, but not mine. Fucking women my own age wouldn't be reality, it'd be a fucking nightmare.
Yes, I like the "illusion of passion" but as you know even in the hooker world not all passion is an illusion. Some women are just sluts and truly enjoy fucking. Those women have no need to fake their passion. God fucking bless them. lol
That said, I rarely eat "tacos" for breakfast, I am more more likely to feed her my banana instead. I think I just don't like to work that hard in the morning, not to mention I am not interested in eating a taco that hasn't been washed since the day before.
I will say that peaches, or even grapefruits are very tasty in the morning. I am not really a big fan of melons though. I have an upper weight limit of around 120 lbs, unless the girl is 5' 7" or taller and it's pretty rare to find melons attached to a girl as small as I like them. lol
and I guess that's just another reason I like tiny women, my dick looks fucking huge going into a tiny mouth or held by tiny hands. And PLEASE, no fucking Trump jokes. lmao
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