I had a session this past weekend with a very sweet cooperative provider who just was not into DFK (with me at least). And, I really gave her my best effort. We had good conversation to get things started, a nice bottle of champagne, followed by a 20 minute massage (for her), and 15 minutes of slow sensual DATY. It seemed to me that things had gotten off to a great start. She was attractive and I was very into it.
However, when it came to my turn she gave great BBBJ, but I seem to be one of the very guys just not that into BJ. When I motioned her to come up a give me a kiss all I got was lip to lip, no tongue, and no eye contact.
So on went the cover for some nice CG but same thing no DFK and then in missionary as things really heated up so I tried again, however it was strike 3 - no DFK for me.
How many of you guys place a 50% or higher rating to whether or not a provider is GFE based on if she is DFK friendly? After looking back over the past 4 months I have had 4 out of 12 experiences without DFK. Although the overall quality of those four encounters varied none of them would ranked above 7 on my performance scale and I would not consider any of them GFE’s.
Guys bottom line, how much importance do you place on DFK? Ladies, to DFK or not DFK that is the question (is this a YMMV category).
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I would not repeat without it.
The question of what is a GFE; has been, can be and will be, discussed ad nauseum. My view is that each lady will determine that meaning for herself and so too will each hobbyist. Often times the arguments of this topic surround whether GFE is a list of specific services or whether it is more an atttude in how the session is delivered, e.g. being into it, caressing, making you feel like she is enjoying your company just as you are hers, etc. For me (again my opinion and not the 'answer' as there is no such thing on this topic) GFE is a combination of both specific services and that connection feeling. For me a GFE session will always include DFK, BBBJ (finish does not matter), DATY and of course FS. When those things happen and the fun, warm and nice attitude are with them then I enjoy a GFE session. Now many will disagree (some guys will say multi-pop matters, varying positions matter; some ladies will say CBJ does not take away from GFE). And they are all right as that what it means to them.
So I too seek GFE encounters. However because I know what I want I do my homework and seek providers who consistently provide such encounters. If I see that a woman does not offer DFK then I likely bypass as to not be disappointed in what I deem to be a key part of GFE. Of course there is always a YMMV factor involved as people will not always click. Then of course there are obvious hygenic factors such as fresh breath, non-smoking, etc.
So in summary my reply is that GFE is whatever you want it to be for you. If DFK is key then seek that in your review research and select your companion accordingly.
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i really do not want dfk a strange person.you never know where there mouth has been? the germ factor!!! u know you can contract herpes that way!!! as i have disscussed this matter with many providers as well,they feel the same way! one told me that she used to stay sick all the time with colds and such when she used to cater to this this request. then there is the teeth factor.she said that alot of clients had bad teeth and bad breath.so no this is not a factor in my encounter with a provider at all!!
Although DFK really puts the "GF' into the "E" I still factor the providers enthusiasm, liberality in other practices and price into the equation.
Just because a provider isn't a tonsil hockey habitué, or post coital cuddle bunny doesn't mean she isn't an eager and energetic orgasmatron of other prurient practices, or simply an exceptional bang for the buck bargain worthy of repeat visits.
DFK is a must. At least for me, lack of DFK takes it outside of the GFE experience. We are all different, so you pay your money and you take your choice.
I think DFK is a very important part of GFE, although I don't think the lady needs to shove her tongue down your throat the whole time.
On a side note, I would check her reviews and see if DFK is on the menu with others. If it is, maybe I would begin to think there is something wrong with me in the breath department...
For me, DFK is very important. It's just a big part of what makes the GFE what it's supposed to be. It just adds so much to the overall experience.
mmmmmmmmmm
Well this is a tough one
Chemistry is a BIG deal!
I have had experiences with men where DFK was about to start, but they had the worst breath!
Actually had one ask me later on in an email, why we didn't...so I told him, 'you're breath is very very bad'..He stated he did feel embarrassed and also said he was glad someone had told him (he is a big time smoker also), but I told him, "hey, would you rather not know?"
..Think of the times you have had something up your nose or in your teeth and no one ever told you? ...now when I see him, MUCH better and DFK is great!
So in a nutshell, a few things:
1. If a provider doesn't do DFK with you it is either she doesn't want to get so personal, mind you, if she advertises as a GFE, you would think that would be okay.
2. You kiss like you are drilling for OIL. You hurt my mouth, lips and it just is NOT happening.
and finally:
You stated you have had 4/12 experiences with DFK.
Not a very good average....LOL! And I don't mean to be mean in stating that...if you do see a lady you like every so often and you like her, but she doesnt do DFK, ASK HER WHY?....
Just a thought!
That was 4 out 12 without DFK (8 with DFK or nearly 70%) still not good enough!
I am not a smoker and I do carry mints. However, your points are all well taken (especially asking her why - that's the honest approach for sure).
How about laying off of those stogies on game day man ? . . I am a casual smoker , but i wouldn't blow on some cigars before an appointment.
That's another thought.
-M
Sorry, it was just to hard for me to passup without a smartass response Please take no offense.
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DFK is essential for my GFE. I not only research for profviders advertizing GFE but look and see, on TER reviews, if they kiss with tongue, and if the reviews consistantly report DFK. I'm batting 1000%. I have two women I see that do not advertise GFE, are listed as kissing with no tongue, and hence I do not expected, nor press for GFE or DFK. I see them because they are cute as hell, give a fantastic massage along with FS, very reasonable donation, and they are within walking distance. However, there have been times when things have heated up, and to my surprise, I've gotten much more than what was advertized as being on the menu.
Like some others have said, if DFK is not on the menu, than I am not going to see her. For me, it's as simple as that. While I am not expecting to get tongue-strangled, kissing with tongue is an important part of the experience for me.
So far, I am batting 100% with the ladies I have seen for DFK.
DFK and BBBJ are my two deal-breakers. If they are not available, then no visit.
Swim
I'm not sure how you do that. Is that when you circle your tongue around the tip...of his tongue?
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I have seen the occasional lady that does not either BBBJ or DFK, but it is usually due to something special about her looks. or more likely, kinky in some other way that make a worthwhile trade off.
i am sorry you bbbj? isn't that a little risky? if a girl has lesions in her mouth? you would never know.you can contract herpes that way!!!!! i see alot of risky behavior on her and that scares me!
Being relatively new to the hobby, less than a year, it is the deciding factor whether I'll see a provider again. One provider had a smoking hot body and was willing to do just about anything except kiss. This killed the session for me and subsequent reviews proved that it wasn't just me. I now screen reviews more carefully and while not a complete deal breaker, I'll take a DFK provider over others 95% of the time
but I see a couple of gals who just won't do it. I think they have hangups about the intimacy of it.
Anyhow, they make up for it in other ways and I don't make a big deal out of it.
There's a lot of things on the menu.
In searching for my 1st DFK was at the top of the list. It will remain there!
In that, even though I enjoy it very much It does not make or break an appointment for me nor does it stop me from seeing a lady again.
'I have had 4 out of 12 experiences without DFK.'
Actually that's 8-4 , that's a pretty good football record. Did they actually advertise (and you can't go by the category that says yes - with tongue, mostly because sometimes when girls get a BF they will cut that out..or whatever reason, and they don't update those items fast enough..) that they offered DFK? I had a few experiences where it didn't happen, then looking back on the reviews I thought I read that she offered DFK but in reality it was only in one or two out of dozens of reviews, which could mean that she really liked those guys, felt horny that day, wasn't seeing anyone, whatever. I'd look for consistency in DFK on the reviews (I've been doing this overall..) Now say she has 30 reviews and all 30 mention it, then she turns you down, it would definitely be a YMMV/hygeine/whatever issue.
-M
I don't see how it can be called GFE without DFK the same way I can't imagine having a boyfriend that I didn't kiss with an open mouth.
Kissing is one of the key ways I make a connection with another person whether a man or a woman.
A lot of sexy kissing is one of the fastest ways to get me wet, open and ready.
Kisses,
Abigail
It is pretty important to me. A session without DFK just seems so impersonal that it's hardly enjoyable at all.
At the time did not know it was a base line for a GFE. Had I known I would have had a flag on the field since my girlfriend of the time did not do it. I could have been saved 10 years of an unhappy marriage.
The SP I use was not into kissing, never mind any level of FK. On the first meeting I tried, she pulled back and we discussed it. She was uncomfortable with it feeling it was the one thing reserved for someone special - yeah an odd thing to hold out on. Turned out she actually had never kissed anyone other than the old family peck. I respected her limit and it was not a deal breaker. After 2 months of seeing her on a regular basis, she asked one day if we could try a simple kiss. She was awkward but gave it the old Navy try and now she is doing okay. I do not think she will ever be an great at it but she makes up for it in other ways.
My advice, look at the whole experience and not at a single part of it. I'm sure we each have certain inhibitions and should respect them. While we talk of a GFE, maybe we should remember communication and understanding is part of having a GF.
The most erotic form of communication is with the tongue ...
"Because Everyone Has Their Desires ..."
Lacie O
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