There have been a lot of threads recently (and a million in the past) bemoaning the lack of authenticity their provider experience. I've met my share of ladies who took great satisfaction simply in blowing my socks off and we both walked away happy because it didn't need to be anything more than that. Bring it on ladies - I love me a good performance!
directly related to the attitude of the john. You go in with a great tude and treat her like a human being, she repays you in kind.
For the guys who constantly get treated badly by several hookers, it begs that they might be part of the issue. But due to their shortcomings, they just can't see that and place all the blame on the hookers.And I agree with hobbyist+truth on why.
Are you taking a position that negotiation is a NO NO, no matter what..
I take pride in the work I do.. I studied hard for it.. burned midnight oil to get my degree.. But I am not shy of negotiating a good salary at a new job or ask for a raise when I see a good opening. Hey I was hired in my current job because a guy before me did not pass background check and another one took a different offer..Inside story which I found out later on as I became friends with one of the co-workers. I am perfectly OK with that. No ego here.. Although, your means of making money is vastly different than mine, at the end of the day its still a means to put food on your table and roof over your head.. I will never understand this NO NEGOTIATION crap that some providers abide by. They make themselves their own worst enemies.In Melissa's recounting, he opened with a lowball offer AND insinuated that she was lucky to receive it. That sounds pretty insulting to me, I'm not surprised she passed. Even a used car dealer would laugh off that offer. I've lived in countries where I could bargain in practically every transaction - it still requires an element of mutual respect in order to not get punched in the face
You might negotiate once a year depending on contract or employment type, some folks might negotiate every few years or even less often, if at all. But what if your boss came to you every day and asked you to justify your worth and negotiate your salary? Would you still feel the same?
Sure, there are some professions where negotiating is a big part of the job, car salesman comes to.mind. But they're negotiating the value of an asset. I would think that negotiating your own self worth on a daily basis would be exhausting and often demoralizing. Not that I would turn down a deal if I could get one, just saying that it seems to me that a one off annual salary negotiation is not the same as a daily payment or single "transaction" negotiationProviders just offer discounts and specials without me even asking. It's like I'm seeing a weekly flyer for a department store holiday sales promotions.
And that's just how I roll!!
where someone's offer is just so ridiculous that its so insulting that its almost laughable in a sad kind of way. I am just talking about the overall policy that some abide by.
I can understand the difference between annual salary negotiation and daily transaction, but again that's just the nature of the business. Its a retail business where most of the income comes from many sources. If someone doesn't want to deal with 100 different clients, each asking for a better deal, they can always try and find a SD, and negotiate the rate once and for all. Melissa just took a very extreme position that she would even turn down a very handsome offer.. Of course she exaggerated it by saying $100,000 ,but think we all got the point..-- Modified on 8/21/2014 2:55:37 PM
Typical salary negotiation starting point: $___ is my expectation based on my experience, market rates and other offers under consideration. What can you do?
Curly's salary negotiation: just give me double whatever you've budgeted for because I'm awesome - please, take my word for it!
If you can't give me XXX for XXX hrs... Go fuck yourself.... Yeah that works..Sure....
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He drops his figure to half yours, then cut the time in half and then restrict services commensurate with his offering. And the dick god thing, that would have made me laugh.
Every provider is willing to negotiate under the right circumstances. Making it broadly known that that option exists invites haggling from the get-go. There's an unending supply of cheap johns out there.
I make the assumption when I look at an ad that she has determined what her services are worth based on the market she is competing in. And I either pay what she thinks she is worth or I don't call. Sure there's a possibility I might catch her at a time of greater financial need, and maybe she would accept less. But if she does there's also a good possibility she would provide less of a service.
I know that its not smart to broadly advertise it....Point taken.. But again its not very smart to come out and completely shoot it down either...
These women are selling the most intimate service on the planet. So no matter what you say, it's just not the same. At least in this country. In places like CR, negotiation is part of the game. But not here.
So, be my guest and negotiate here. All you'll do is piss her off and she won't see you. Pick girls who have a price/value relationship that works for you and just pay the freight.
It doesn't need to be done in a hard ass, haggling kind of way...One can always polish their edges by using people skills. And no one says, you can't do it in America.. I have done such soft negotiations many times, and plenty of times have got what I wanted...
It's some of that entitlement things the ladies seem to get blasted for here sometimes in reverse!
Steph
I don't do it. Sometimes a "special" is only $25 off. I'd rather give her the full amount because I want her to be enthusiastic about seeing me, not feeling like she's been nickeled and dimed.
I have, however, accepted grandfathering if it meant saving $100. But that's not the same as negotiating.
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It would be stupid to try and do that.. Some of it entirely depends on circumstances...
Check your PM later on at night....Headed out the door right now...It would just start things off on a sour note. When I see a profile and read reviews of a provider that suits my fancy and then see her rates are a little out of my ballpark I'll just move on. IMHO it would be an insult to try to negotiate down to a price that I'm willing to pay. And again I'll stress that if it's a first time session with a new provider I would never even consider trying to get her to agree to a lower price, talk about a mood killer. Hell, I don't even take advantage of P411 discounts when available. I've found that by being nice, respectful and courteous my sessions have been very rewarding. I'll probably take some heat from some hobbyists on this, so be it.........
(and this is a bit redundant to my post above) I just can't wrap my mind around haggling with someone who's going to suck on my cock, let me put it up her vagina, then swallow my sperm. If I can't afford her rate I don't try to book her to begin with.
I'm fine with that.
Is completely wrong. Most of them pull rates out of their butts. To each their own, believe whatever you want. I have seen one provider go from $$$ to $$$.5, and every one follows her. Could of months later, they change names and come back $25 lower than their original rate.
It is all game. I have @ max and min I don't cross and I know the going rate in my market bI appreciate grandfathering and have even been offered a special rate after multiple engagements, which I appreciate not just for the acknowledgement that I'm a valued customer but for the business savvy of the girl who offers it. But ask for a discount? Never; no matter how artfully done, it's like cutting the salary of an aircraft mechanic...he might show up and do the job, but do you really want so-so performance when the stakes are that high? And for me, like many, hobbying opportunities are few and I don't like disappointments so I consider the stakes pretty highl
Let me start off by saying that I completely understand this is an intimate business, and hence I don't drive a hard bargain like I would when buying a car etc.
So recently, I thought to myself, why not give overnight session a try.. I have only done a handful so far, and its been a while. She didn't have anything posted as far as the rate goes. That shows lot of latitude and willingness to negotiate on her part. We started talking and she was quite open. I've seen this gal before for 1-2 hr meet ups. Initially she said 250*8 = 2K for the 8 hrs... You gotta be kidding to pay someone to sleep next to you, right? I negotiated it down to 1200 + nice dinner... I threw in a bonus for her telling her I would not be pounding her all night.. I went 3 times.. Not bad... Win-win I say.. She agreed. Another time. one hooker was going to charge me $400 for outcall. Her regular incall rate? 300/hr. I proposed her that I'd give her 4 Fridays in a row instead of 3, which I was going to do anyway, if she would drop the outcall fee. I gave her the assurance of having steady income for a month. I was working till late night for a month and needed some company late at night to my apartment. I got too many nosey neighbors right now, to invite people at my house, but back when I used to rent apartment, things were different.. LOL So, being a low volume UTR hooker, which she was at the time, it turned out a win-win for both of us.. So, the point is, I open my mouth and talk. There are lot of places where one can "grow the pie". You can offer something to them which they would like, and in turn get something that is of value to you. One just has to think outside the box..Now I get it. Especially re the overnight, that's not haggling, especially if she had no posted rate anyway.
Last time something like this happened in MLB was in 1986 with Houston Astros.
His abs are a shame and those legs need work.