It can be a hassle meeting babies.
But once you subject yourself to that shit show. holy shit are there benefits to be reaped. I have had the absolute most amazing looking girls and I am not kidding you. Like you would offer me free session just for the opportunity to play with these girls. That is how beautiful some of them areNot saying the two worlds don't mix and you fellows don't dabble in both but I seriously doubt the seeking arrangement and other SD/SB sites are significantly hurting traditional escorts. There will always be gentlemen who simply do not want to put up with the bullshit, and usually with escorts it's very black and white so you spend less time with the logistics and games and more time having the fun you were seeking in the first place.
And to get an idea of what it looks like, go to seeking arrangement.com.
Unfortunately, it:s legalization has been very bad for established ladies making $500/hour. They are forced to compete with non-pros who just need a quick way to pay rent or tuition in the short term.
This significantly drives down their market value by flooding the market with additional supply, while forcing them to compete essentially with "temp" workers willing to perform the same services for pennies on the dollar.
If prostitution was legalized what do you think the outcome of this would be?
for a very specific reason.
I fear the "legalization" would mean "regulation". In other words, the government would issue all kinds of mandatory testing rules, order covered BJs, regulate everything under the sun... think Nevada brothels.
I also suspect that legalization would result in the downfall of the Indy provider, as corporate interests spent big bucks to "corporatize" the profession. Higher rates, lower wages for providers... all kind of crappy things. Think industrial sized brothels. Yuck.
Now, "decriminalize" I see as a recognition that sex, even if for pay, is the choice of consenting adults and not something subject to heavy regulation and "corporatization".
No matter what happens, I simply want the government to stay out of our pants and our bedrooms. We don't need Big Brother dictating our sexual lives.
well said master 
Legalization of the industry means that no matter what, there will still be people who are doing it illegally in the laws eyes.
Whatever the hoops for regulation and registration and licensing or whatever, there will be people for whom the barrier to entry is too high.
Meaning that providers with much privilege in our economic system will have a paved - quite possibly chauffeured - road to being legitimate, and there will be others for whom the process will be arduous and they might forgo it in order to keep cash flowing.
And that sucks.
To allow our government to legalize it, and by legalizing it actually making some of the most marginalized providers more "illegal" than they are now, we are just creating another population for law enforcement to prey on.
Decriminalization is the way to go. No one is illegal.
At least that's my fancy white woman answer for public relations purposes. There are others who face socio-economic challenges that I never will, and they could explain it better.
I wonder though about the end of indies. If decriminalization occurs there will still be plenty of entripenurial women who wouldn't be comfortable working for anyone but themselves. Even legalization, in the Nevada mode, doesn't deter independent providers. Forcing women to work out of brothels, where they don't control the choice of clients or volume, in order to be "legal", won't change the profession.
I worked in Nevada brothels and I just have to say, although you are required to work "be there for line ups" during your shift, you are in control of who you see and how frequently you take clients. You can say no if you like and or just hang out at the bar or in your room until the bell rings. Also the brothel mode in itself takes away the "independent" framework because you are required to pay 50% of your money to the house as well as a nominal daily fee for room and board. The ladies actually make less than the brothel/owner who is in essence their pimp.
For me although it was safer in a sense (legal) weekly doctors visits, security, bla, bla, bla, it was a real drag making $28-40 (for me) a month and having to stay cooped up in a place for the duration of your tour, however long it was and only being able to leave once a week for a few hours in groups to go on "field trips" to doctor, bank and grocery store. Although there was the possibility of big bucks, giving most of it away and being in a proverbial jail and having a pimp was not worth a little less money and my freedom to do me.
Just a bit of clarification.
YASSSSSSSS! x1000000
I fear the "legalization" would mean "regulation". In other words, the government would issue all kinds of mandatory testing rules, order covered BJs, regulate everything under the sun... think Nevada brothels.
I also suspect that legalization would result in the downfall of the Indy provider, as corporate interests spent big bucks to "corporatize" the profession. Higher rates, lower wages for providers... all kind of crappy things. Think industrial sized brothels. Yuck.
Now, "decriminalize" I see as a recognition that sex, even if for pay, is the choice of consenting adults and not something subject to heavy regulation and "corporatization".
No matter what happens, I simply want the government to stay out of our pants and our bedrooms. We don't need Big Brother dictating our sexual lives.
There are dozens of templates to choose from, with the Nevada template being the absolute worst of the bunch and countries like most in Latin America being pretty darned attractive.
I find it ironic that we blame the church in this country, and while I am as "anti organized religion" person as you will ever find, in Latin America where the Catholic Church dominates the landscape, somehow the church and prostitution seem to co exist quite nicely.
All the fears of mega brothels, whore houses next to elementary schools, forced prostitution are simply NOT an issue in the countless countries who already have a "commons sense" approach to this issue.
Again, decriminialization is the way to go. No compromises.
Ok I'll just ask.... What happened to fancy8888
She dropped off the boards around the same time as you. I was starting to worry that maybe the two of you died in a car accident or something.
he got tired of that persona and went off to invent another one to troll the boards with
I just think its ridiculous that it's illegal.It's just 2 adults having fun.And a man/woman giving a provider a gift(the donation)I think its illegal though because they know the providers that do this will make so much more than the average person working a 9-5 shift.They want everyone to struggle.And what's fucked up is we get treated like we're not human from the people that disagree with provider services especially cops.If you get raped by a client and go to the police station they will simply say "you shouldn't have been selling your ass"
The sub-human treatment is the worst of it. With all of the education available in this country, you would think people could connect the dots and figure out that this is how ethnic cleansing starts; for instance, clamping down on prostitution was one of the many platforms that Hitler used to get elected. Or if everyone would just pay attention to the news, they would notice that the more invasive laws governments have (China, Russia, Middle Eastern shariah law countries), the worse they treat their citizens.
As for me, I adore sex workers. Sex-positive feminists are most definitely my type.
it's not ridiculous. This type of things goes to decentralization of the system. Shifts the values. And this is not what government is all about. People should obey government laws, otherwise no government will survive. Xo
And to get an idea of what it looks like, go to seeking arrangement.com.
Unfortunately, it:s legalization has been very bad for established ladies making $500/hour. They are forced to compete with non-pros who just need a quick way to pay rent or tuition in the short term.
This significantly drives down their market value by flooding the market with additional supply, while forcing them to compete essentially with "temp" workers willing to perform the same services for pennies on the dollar.
I don't necessarily think this to be true. There is A LOT of uncertainty when it comes to finding sugar babies....I mean from what I've read half the time you guys set up dates and the girl doesn't even show up!
Not saying the two worlds don't mix and you fellows don't dabble in both but I seriously doubt the seeking arrangement and other SD/SB sites are significantly hurting traditional escorts. There will always be gentlemen who simply do not want to put up with the bullshit, and usually with escorts it's very black and white so you spend less time with the logistics and games and more time having the fun you were seeking in the first place.
And to get an idea of what it looks like, go to seeking arrangement.com.
Unfortunately, it:s legalization has been very bad for established ladies making $500/hour. They are forced to compete with non-pros who just need a quick way to pay rent or tuition in the short term.
This significantly drives down their market value by flooding the market with additional supply, while forcing them to compete essentially with "temp" workers willing to perform the same services for pennies on the dollar.
As somebody in the Sugar world, I can tell you it works both ways. There are plenty of hookers on the SD sites.
Not saying the two worlds don't mix and you fellows don't dabble in both but I seriously doubt the seeking arrangement and other SD/SB sites are significantly hurting traditional escorts. There will always be gentlemen who simply do not want to put up with the bullshit, and usually with escorts it's very black and white so you spend less time with the logistics and games and more time having the fun you were seeking in the first place.
And to get an idea of what it looks like, go to seeking arrangement.com.
Unfortunately, it:s legalization has been very bad for established ladies making $500/hour. They are forced to compete with non-pros who just need a quick way to pay rent or tuition in the short term.
This significantly drives down their market value by flooding the market with additional supply, while forcing them to compete essentially with "temp" workers willing to perform the same services for pennies on the dollar.
My first four dates from SA ended up with me having sex on the first date at a fraction of "hooker prices" I seem to be getting overnight dates at about the same price as hourly dates with hookers.
I will confess, I don't have anywhere near the experience in the sugar world as I do with the hooker world, but although it is a bit more work, so far at least I have been very pleased with the results. I expect to have three "sugar dates" this week and my total cost will be about the same as a single two hour date with a "well reviewed TER lady"
It probably varies from area to area. I do know that in my area the hookers were livid when they found out that civilian sugar babies were giving it up at much less than the pros.
As a result many came up with a different name on the SD sites and pretended to be civilians. To put it bluntly, hookers hate civilian SBs because they give up BB** at a fraction of what hookers would charge for it. That and the fact SBs don't charge by the hour and you are right: With or without BB** SBs are way cheaper for extended dates.
It's understandable why hookers would be upset and want to badmouth SBs. Similar to how "courtesans" bad mouth "normal" hookers and normal hookers look down on BP hookers and so on and so on and so on.
I am certain I turned you on to the sugar bowl and by certain I mean there was a 5% chance I did.
Broken down per hour, my sb is well under $100 per hour, well under. Its an insanely good deal but I found her by being involved in the UTR world not the SA thing.
It is amazing the info one can get by giving and getting info bc here.
Have been a progressive upgrade. You just keep the membership active. You hook up with a girl who is an 8. So you keep her around until you hear from an 8.5, and then a 9.
Hold out long enough, and eventually you're banging a 10 for next to nothing. Just have to be patient.
After roughly 5 months in the sugar bowl this last time around ... I now have a 21-year old bisexual girlfriend who no longer asks for an allowance, and loves to dip in to the sugar bowl as much as I do. As in, I share the hot ones with her.
Dreams can come true.
+1 I never understood why hobbyists would want the hassles that come with GF's and dating. I hobby because I don't want the hassle associated with traditional dating. I just don't get it.
Not saying the two worlds don't mix and you fellows don't dabble in both but I seriously doubt the seeking arrangement and other SD/SB sites are significantly hurting traditional escorts. There will always be gentlemen who simply do not want to put up with the bullshit, and usually with escorts it's very black and white so you spend less time with the logistics and games and more time having the fun you were seeking in the first place.
And to get an idea of what it looks like, go to seeking arrangement.com.
Unfortunately, it:s legalization has been very bad for established ladies making $500/hour. They are forced to compete with non-pros who just need a quick way to pay rent or tuition in the short term.
This significantly drives down their market value by flooding the market with additional supply, while forcing them to compete essentially with "temp" workers willing to perform the same services for pennies on the dollar.
It can be a hassle meeting babies.
But once you subject yourself to that shit show. holy shit are there benefits to be reaped.
I have had the absolute most amazing looking girls and I am not kidding you. Like you would offer me free session just for the opportunity to play with these girls. That is how beautiful some of them are
Not saying the two worlds don't mix and you fellows don't dabble in both but I seriously doubt the seeking arrangement and other SD/SB sites are significantly hurting traditional escorts. There will always be gentlemen who simply do not want to put up with the bullshit, and usually with escorts it's very black and white so you spend less time with the logistics and games and more time having the fun you were seeking in the first place.
And to get an idea of what it looks like, go to seeking arrangement.com.
Unfortunately, it:s legalization has been very bad for established ladies making $500/hour. They are forced to compete with non-pros who just need a quick way to pay rent or tuition in the short term.
This significantly drives down their market value by flooding the market with additional supply, while forcing them to compete essentially with "temp" workers willing to perform the same services for pennies on the dollar.
I believe any exchange of money or anything of value followed by sex should be illegal. I would exclude meals costing no more than the current price if a big mac and a drink.
All physical contact between people should be made illegal; we'll use turkey basters for procreation
It makes life more straightforward in a sense - no stress about LE, no screening needed, more open for advertising, for example in newspapers, but on the other hand it also means like Canada, that the rates are generally lower because more girls will risk working if it's not illegal,
I would like to see it legalized. Done right, it can work very well. I think that most ladies here probably already do regular health checks, so that wouldn't seem to be a big deal. Everything covered is a drag (I'm only talking about bbbj); however, particularly for independent encounters, I'm not sure how that could be strictly enforced. The tax implications probably wouldn't be popular, but you wouldn't have to create some sort of consulting or personal services business entity to pay taxes and stay off the IRS's radar. And I'm sure that there are license fees that the ladies would hate. It did appear to me like there are less independent ladies available, my non-scientific observation leads me to believe that most ladies work in brothels, but I suspect that's more a function of convenience than some regulatory by-product. The ladies don't need to book hotel rooms or invite clients to their house/apartment, they just use the brothel facility. Of course that also means they are giving up some or possibly much of their fee to the house. But it doesn't appear to prevent organized crime from being involved, I read some articles about one of the bigger brothels in the Melbourne area being run by some pretty unsavory characters. And even though it's legal, there does still seem to be some level of stigma for the ladies, it seems like most don't want identifying pictures in ads or on websites. But I would think that a significant plus would be one of safety for the ladies, if a client gets out of line they can call the cops without fear of ending up in trouble when they are actually a victim. And of course the biggest plus is the assurance for both parties that they aren't going to be arrested for participating in a transaction that's nobody else's business. Nothing is perfect, but I thought things worked pretty well there.
Disclaimer: my opinion is based on my perceptions from my side of things, I did not get to know any of the ladies well enough to get their perspective on this. I was far more interested in other things, I never bothered engaging any of them in a discussion about the socio-economic implications of legalization. A lady who has worked there may well tell me I'm completely off base with my view of how things work for them.
CR57, I don't know whether you realize it, but you've just laid out one of the best arguments for decriminalization over legalization I've ever heard.
Here's another one. Was posted here sometime in the last two weeks or so. Couldn't find the post, to give credit where it's due, but I was able to find the video again. (I hope this link works, I've been having trouble with that.)
At least for me, that it is illegal.
But I'm a "Bad Ass"