I’ve been using agencies lately. I’ve not been leaving tips
so wondering how much agencies are receiving? Thx!
The answer might depend on location (LA, SF, NYC, Boston, ...) and also the type of agency (AMP, AAMP, Agency "Mall", etc.). I'll start with a general answer and then let others tell me why I'm wrong.
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As of several years ago, the split at NYC AMPs was probably 40-50% to the House and 40-60% to the Providers. As always, "tips are not required but always appreciated." I would always tip at least 20 and othertimes in the 20-50 range.
I’ve been using agencies lately. I’ve not been leaving tips
so wondering how much agencies are receiving? Thx!
agency girls is that they complain to the bookers who the non-tippers are. If you get reported by enough girls, you may find yourself one day not being able to get an appointment. Because the rates are low, comparatively speaking, the girls depend on tips to get back SOME of the cut that goes to the agency. Many of the better girls tell their booker not to send customers who do not tip, so there you go. Normal split averages 60-40 in favor of the girl. Average tip is in the $40-$60 range PER HOUR. Some guys here tip more than that.
Yes, I have heard this as well. If you go through any agency, brothel, massage parlor instead of independent you should consider it the same as if they are a waitress or bartender. Their wage is much smaller and tips are more expected. Tips are a nice gesture when you are seeing someone who is independent like myself, but I keep 100% of what you give me so never necessary or expected.
Most indie providers don't know shit about the agency system. They run around in ignorance perpetuating the myth that they are all sex-slave operations. I've been to enough of their posh residences (not the incall where they work) to know otherwise. It's good that you keep yourself informed about all things related to your biz.
My own practice is to tip every provider I see. It doesn't matter if they are indie or agency. Having a REPUTATION as a tipper opens doors in this biz that you may not about to enter any other way, like with screening. I don't give my ID, or work information, so always having providers who have seen me and know I'm generous usually gets me approved without personal info. I tell them if I need a reference from them, be sure to mention I'm a tipper. It almost never fails.
Mr. Lion,
Attempting to buy your way out of screening by offering a large tip is tacky and very suspect. I decline clients immediately whenever I get this offer. Your post is quite expected with your mentality, but it for sure not the win you think it is. Your reputation is often at times that you have misplaced integrity.
Signed,
Wisconsin's country bumpkin with a moral compass
your reading comprehension failed you. I tip the providers who are my references who have already seen me. I have never offered a tip to a provider in order to get screened. That would be transparently stupid. However, I know for a fact that when a PROVIDER reference says I'm a good customer AND I tip, it has influenced some providers to relax their initial inclination of what they wanted. I'm not saying the knowledge that I tip coming from another provider gets me approved instantly, but it gives them a reason to negotiate screening that is agreeable to BOTH of us. If they want MORE provider references, I've got them. Read my post again, and you will understand what I said, not what you think I said. I will agree with you that offering a tip to buy your way OUT of screening will never work, and that's why I have never tried it directly as you claim. My provider network does it for me, so I never have to get my own hands dirty talking about money. Lol
P.S. Your moral compass must be near a magnet. Lol
No, I for sure read your post and your repost "explanation" correctly. Thank you for once again reinstating my original ascertain of you!!
accept a glowing reference from 2-4 fellow providers for screening?
The word you are looking for is "ascertainment", but as an admitted country bumpkin (which I praise you for owning), you get a pass from me, but I cannot speak for Conan the Grammarian.
accept a glowing reference from 2-4 fellow providers for screening?
to answer for her, or are you just speculating based on your status as a customer? Lol
If that is also HER answer, then she is missing a lot of business judging by the number of guys here who will not give personal information for screening. It has worked great for me to have well-known providers that will vouch for me. If there is no number of provider vouches that would satisfy any provider, I simply draw a line through her name and move on to the next lady on my TDL. There are substantially more providers than I will ever be able to see in my remaining lifetime, so there are NONE that I absolutely HAVE to see if it means compromising my personal information. That seems to be the prevailing attitude among the majority of men here as well.
Agreed, don’t speculate unless you have factual knowledge. To do so is demeaning to those actually working their way towards indy providing.
Lets use Vegas as an example as this is where most of the scams happen. Except for 100Proof...they're legit.
You call an agency girl, she does her usual 200 fee that got her there. Then after she breaks the news to you that the 200 was to get her there,you'll then go through the shit show of haggling over her escort price. Could range anywhere from say, 500-1000.
Tip for an indie are nice and I'm sure they're appreciated. But usually and Indie won't ask for a tip....that's my experience
K-Girl and C-orgs agencies are straight up...so not to paint with a broad brush and have the K-Boys loose their shit..so relax guys
Vegas agencies are not like anywhere else fro what I hear. I cannot speak on other cities but I know Vegas agencies very well. When I started in this business many years ago my high school bff was working for a few of them out here and referred me to where she worked. Out here in Vegas the price you are quoted on the phone anywhere from 150-300 ALL goes to the agency owner the lady who shows up at your door makes $0.
The phone lady tells you the provider will show up for the amount quoted and reserves your time (the key words) is UP TO THE HOUR. This is where it gets tricky as majority of men heard she is going to stay the hour. Wrong! If you do not pay the provider anything over the initial agency fee she is leaving. She does not work for free.
She does not get a cut or percentage of that agency money.
The tip is where she makes her money and she also tips the lady who answered the phone 20% of that tip.
Hence the reason why the amount she asks for is high. Back in the day we might ask between 400-5k depending on time,service,etc.
Every hour the provider is there you have to pay another agency fee.
I thought this is how everyone worked had no idea nothing else. Until I said to myself this is BS I want to be in charge of my own business. Researched and found review sites and forums read all of them before transitioning to an independent.
Also I have been noticing lately in my area there are many asian ads on try*t site that say 200.00 plus tips for massage.
DO NOT FALL FOR THIS!! this is an agency posing as an indy with many ads posted here in Vegas and I now see some of them are putting LA on ads. From what I hear you will pay 200 and then be asked to spend 10k and then keep lowering if no price can be agreed on for FS. Not GFE
Whoa sorry everyone did not realize this would be so long. But here is the 411 on Vegas agencies and how not be scammed. Hopefully someone found it useful.
Jaydalee
Dang! I certainly found it useful. What you described boggles the mind. I feel sorry for the young ladies working for these agencies... and I'm guessing the only reason their business model (scam) can continue to work is Vegas has a constant influx of potential clients coming through that are unaware. They'd run out of suckers in my city. Anywho... thx for the tutorial. Forewarned is forearmed.
To continue to point out some differences using WMS's analogies:
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An agency will cover the "business" expenses: advertising, phones and internet, apartment rent or hotel room, towels, laundry, furnishings, snacks, ... booker, phone girl (East Coast) / phone operator (PO; West Coast), etc.. The Provider doesn't have to TCB on the B side, just the client side. That is, the Provider doesn't need to own and operate the restaurant, just provide the service (like a waitress) for a portion of the total bill. Tips make up some of the difference. (In the strip club industry, it used to be (still is?) the case that dancers would have to pay a fee TO THE CLUB just to get a shift! She starts the shift down $50 or $100 and has to dance her ass off just to break even!)
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An indy has to "own" the restaurant, run all aspects of the biz, pay for the "room" herself (out of the fee), ads, phone, internet, provide any needed extras (snacks, ambiance (candles - I hate candles!), etc.) herself (out of the fee), pay someone else for additional services (accountant; sometimes a personal assistant), and so on.
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Both agency and indy Providers should be paying taxes (as discussed in many threads) and the agency Provider will NOT have a lot of business deductions (just lingerie, makeup, pro hair stylist, pro mani-pedi, etc.) to determine her NET income but an indy will have many biz deductions to determine her NET income. Those legitimate biz deductions (same as agency girl and MANY more) might start to (almost) bring the NET incomes closer together.
Yes, I have heard this as well. If you go through any agency, brothel, massage parlor instead of independent you should consider it the same as if they are a waitress or bartender. Their wage is much smaller and tips are more expected. Tips are a nice gesture when you are seeing someone who is independent like myself, but I keep 100% of what you give me so never necessary or expected.
But WHY do you not like candles? I love candles! This makes me....sad. 
When I leave, me and my clothes smell like a candle! NO! Please! (Some people might be allergic to some aroma chemicals.)
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(Also, candles are producing pollution: CO2, CO, soot particles, aroma chemicals, ... all of which end up in your lungs. There is nothing healthy there, except, MAYBE, a slight mood shift.)
But WHY do you not like candles? I love candles! This makes me....sad.
Use electric candles or X-Mass lights.
Just as pretty and no fumes or fire hazard.
We're into our 16th year and tips have never been discussed here. Whether a client tips or not has never been and issue.
Maybe we're just different than all the rest of the agencies. No girl has ever complained to me about NOT being tipped. That is a fact.
Their rates are low as it is and split with house fees cuts into their net. So I can see them bitching to a degree.
But even at that level, I wonder if they would even ask...curious
You will find the OP is referring to Kgirl agencies and that is why I responded like I did. Tips are huge for this segment of the market. If you are talking about AMP's where FS is also offered (which is different than Kgirl agencies), you won't even get sexual services until you have negotiated a reasonable "tip" for the extra services.
It's understanding that independent girls who are booked through agencies like yours don't worry too much about tips because their rate card starts at a much higher level than Kgirls.
of the 6 asian agencies in NYC I have used in the past 10 years? Some are just rebrands, but I digress. they never asked about a tip. The only "tip" is just fees for extra service like anal, bbbj, etc. So it is not really a tip per se. but I believe the house doesn't get these additional fees in most of the cases so I suppose to the provider they are in fact tips. The asian agencies value repeat customers that show up on time, are clean, courteous and come couple times a week and do doubles on occasion. I check all the boxes so they love me.
Also some of the girls I speak to about going indie they do not want to leave the asian brothel for safety reasons. also they tell me they make a decent amount of money anyways. I do not think these girls are drugged out whores sucking dick for 50$ like some others might think. I am giving them 450 bucks 2 or 3 times a week 12 months a year. the really good girls have many many regulars.
I don't usually tip beyond additional fees for anal because I go so often to the same places. But I do give year end cash bonuses and gifts for a few special girls.
I don't believe Agencies are good to go to because they are a lot more strick & Expensive then the Independent Escorts.