Most people on the boards seem to think that white lists are not that meaningful, but my experience has been just the opposite with providers who do not post on the boards. I provide them my TER handle and they see 10+ white lists and for many of them that is all that they need to see. In fact, many of them assign more "value" to a white list vs. an okay because they feel that it is more difficult to get. P411 makes ladies make a decision whereas TER does not. Most ladies probably just ignore a white list request. A lady generally won't white list a guy unless the interaction was "positive" whereas a lady will okay a guy so long as the interaction was "okay." A lot of people will disagree with me on this one. But that is my opinion.
To he point ; without suggesting that comprehensive verification shouldn't be standard operating procedure.. for the ladies that use P411 how many OK's or white lists give should I get?
I ask because I have been putting emphasis on getting them to build up credibility...
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without any, but I would think some number larger than zero would also be effective.
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Yeah with 139 reviews and proximity to LA I see how things would be easier for you ... that doesn't apply to most people though
CDL handle to get appointments. I give my first name, email address, hobby phone number, and two recent references of providers I've seen. If that's not enough, and sometimes it's not, I move on to the next girl. Only one provider I've seen in 9 years figured out I was CDL, but I don't use her as a ref. I have seen over 600 providers, and I won't live long enough to see ALL of the rest, so I don't NEED to see any particular one. If the screening is too intrusive, IMO, I go to the next one on my list.
Was it one provider in nine years figured it out, or was it one provider figured it out and told you?
Obviously I have no idea. Just a question.
I'd say focusing on a "magic number" of OK's or whitelists is not what screening is all about. Part of it, but not all of it.
A few OKs that will serve as recent references is probably fine. A lot of ladies do not trust whitelists for a variety of reasons.
Many providers will ask for additional info beyond your P411 OKs; it is up to you to decide if you want to provide that and see her or not provide it and move on to someone else.
Agreed in fact I was so relieved when I knew that a provider I Was planning to see cross referenced my OK's. It made me feel more relaxed about her ligitimicy as well. It also boosted the ego to hear that the answer to would you see him again came back "in a heartbeat"
As a relitive newbie I want to do this right... I can see a long future in this lifestyle
because p411 forces you to give them, unless you can give them a verifiable reason not to, which opens you up to backlash. So we have to actually pm the most recent ladies, and make sure they actually had a good session, this is how i've found out that some guys are not so savory, yet they had ok's.
So to answer your question, having recent ok's is the real issue, if your list is full of inactive ladies or ladies you saw a year ago, you might find we'll ask for more.
I believe it should be TOTALLY up to the ladies whether or not they want to give a client an Okay, they would mean much more that way. Just like a bad review, it could send the message to some "borderline" clients that they need to clean up their act if a lady refuses to give him an okay after seeing him.
OTOH, I do agree with the change that P411 made requiring a guy "request" an Okay before the lady is allowed to give one. I am one of those guys who really doesn't want hundreds of okays, I am perfectly happy with a few dozen, and to answer the OP's question, I agree that it's "current" okays not the total number that is important, so even if I see a different lady every single day for a month straight, I will usually only request an okay from one or two of them. My "sweet spot" for okays is to always have 4 or 5 current Okays, given in the last 90 days or so, all by very well known and respected providers, and by providers I am confident will give a good recommendation for me if ever asked. I will never ask for an okay from a provider that I had a poor or so-so session with. I want her to be as enthusiastic in giving it as I am in asking for it.
how pointless most screening may really be given that any level headed guy isn't going to request an okay or white list from a provider that he had a poor or so-so session with. Similarly, an individual such as GaGa who sees a lot of women is going to have a pool of ladies who could serve as references. He could merely choose the ladies that are more or less just going to say nice stuff about anyone and provide them to the provider (or the ladies that he tipped well). Whereas Joe Snuffy may have a limited number of ladies to select from for a reference. So that doesn't mean that GaGa is a better client than Joe Snuffy. And if Joe Snuffy reviewed his providers (which he is using as references), then they may provide a recommendation that is commensurate with his review and/or may even feel jealous. Separately, for various reasons, a few providers that I met with, for example, told me that they won't respond to PMs because they don't feel that it is ethical for them to answer anything that an okay doesn't already answer: the client paid me what I was supposed to be paid (at least my donation), arrived on time, was safe, had acceptable hygiene, and was at least "okay." Some ladies will look at your reviews or white lists (or okays) to get a feel for whether or not she will be able to meet your expectations. If all of your white lists (or okays) are from spinners, and you are requesting an appointment with a plus sized lady, then she might kindly note that in her response because she doesn't want to disappoint. Also, ladies looking for repeat clients may question why a guy has so many white lists (or okays).
IF the guy is level headed.
Per my response to GaGa, this could also be any of the following (if the guy is level headed):
--- a lady that is jealous (she sent him a notice that she will be touring and now a lady is PMing her on the dates that she is touring about the guy she is trying to see);
--- a client wrote a neutral review or bad review so she gives a neutral or bad reference;
--- a provider doesn't response because she doesn't think that it is ethical (she doesn't want to share details or anything beyond what an okay already tells you);
Separately ...
--- I have heard about guys getting okays declined (rare, it but does happen);
--- I have also heard about ladies sending a note to P411 and guys getting accounts suspended (i.e., if the guy used P411 to set up an appointment, didn't request an okay afterwards, but did something questionable during the appointment); given that there was a record in the system of an appointment request
And I completely understand why. Three weeks into my p411 membership, it's not fun to hear that ok's are running on the same track. Sonofabitch!
Most people on the boards seem to think that white lists are not that meaningful, but my experience has been just the opposite with providers who do not post on the boards. I provide them my TER handle and they see 10+ white lists and for many of them that is all that they need to see. In fact, many of them assign more "value" to a white list vs. an okay because they feel that it is more difficult to get. P411 makes ladies make a decision whereas TER does not. Most ladies probably just ignore a white list request. A lady generally won't white list a guy unless the interaction was "positive" whereas a lady will okay a guy so long as the interaction was "okay." A lot of people will disagree with me on this one. But that is my opinion.
I "could" have several more whitelists, but when a bunch of women told me they don't matter, I quit asking.
I also know I've heard stories from providers that a guy with whitelists contacted her, so she contacted the women who gave him the whitelists and they said they wouldn't see him again.
Makes you wonder why she gave the whitelist. Maybe his bad behavior started on their second appointment and she doesn't realize she can revoke it. I think it's more likely she was worried about a bad review. I've heard this more than once.
You are most definitely the first person, monger or otherwise, I've ever seen say that providers "assign more value" to whitelists than okays. My personal experience has been that booking a session with three okays is a helluva lot easier than doing so with three whitelists. Nobody can speak for every provider out there, so I guess I can't just say you're flat wrong. I've seen a lot of women make the opposite statement though, how about that? LoL
My experience has been that a slight majority "assign more value" to white lists, but that maybe 1/3 of ladies - who are very vocal about screening - take the position that they don't mean much and TER is not a verification site ... yada yada yada. And people who post on the boards tend to take the position that okays are much better.
because p411 forces you to give them, unless you can give them a verifiable reason not to, which opens you up to backlash.
This statement is not true.
It's always been up to the provider to decide whether she wishes to give an Okay to a client or not, as long as she has a LEGITIMATE (client was not "ok" in her opinion) reason for declining the Okay
Many providers try to tie the giving of their Okay to personal gain, which is where this incorrect information is seeded.
ie: Okay will not be given unless....
* review is posted
* extra payment is made
* he posts 10/10 review (pro is upset that it's 9/9)
* multiple (or longer) appointments have taken place
* an appointment with friend has also taken place
* etc.
Also, if a provider simply doesn't want to take part in the network by giving Okays, she is not eligible for a P411 account.
Providers are required to give an Okay only if the client was ok during their time together. If she wants to tie personal gain or some other drama to giving Okays, we would prefer she take her business elsewhere and we have no problem saying so.
If a client is not ok in her opinion, she simply needs to click Decline Okay and put a few words about why she doesn't want to give the Okay. As long as it's for a legitimate reason, not "he was fine but needs to have a 2 hour appointment before I'll give an Okay", the reason is noted and we all move on with our lives.
Always,
Gina
I had always suspected your policy about giving okays was being misrepresented by some providers, Now it's clear for all to see, and it sounds perfectly fair to me.
Should we assume that "He didn't wash his ass before coming to see me?" is a legitimate reason? lol
Should we assume that "He didn't wash his ass before coming to see me?" is a legitimate reason? lol
In fact, providers who give Okays to clients they don't truly think are "ok",and who fail to let us know when there is a problem (even if all we would do at the time is make notes), are also given a warning.
We want P411 providers to take "Okaying" seriously.... unfortunately a handful take it as an opportunity to play out their BSC games, and we don't tolerate it. Which is where much of the negative commentary comes from.
Always,
Gina
Personally I have a couple of whitelists and a bunch of p411 ok's, none very recent because I tend to see the same provider(s) multiple times. But lately have had no problem going with new (to me) providers due to the fact that "word is out" that I'm not a bad guy. Last few have gone by my OK's alone. Which is fine by me. Because even though I WILL provide more info if necessary, I prefer (like every guy I think) not to. So screen away, I am an open book, but yeah, if I don't have to open the book I am happier.
Btw, I dont review everyone I see, somerimes at their request, sometimes at my own discretion, so you wont get clues from my review list.
Its best for me to say...Also The 3rd time is A Charm. !!!
I believe I have 3 white lists, from three of the most amazing women it has been my pleasure to see, but I never requested any of them.
I have 28 OK's on my P411 account, I could have a ton more, but I specifically asked for the ones I do have. I'm not setting up some murderers row of high priced talent. I am much like GA in that I try to keep a few current to show that I am active and acceptable to the ladies.
I'll try not to go too far off topic here but when ladies have unusually strict screening requests and want more than my P411 info I take a pass and move along. I DID my intense screening with Gina, have many fine ladies who will attest that I am at least acceptable as a client, and don't feel the need to do anymore.
I've been fortunate enough to avoid the ones who bribe or coerce clients into giving good reviews to get a "whitelist", but then again I do my research and avoid those no matter how hot they are. So maybe it's not fortunate, maybe it's just good screening on my part.
She could be hot as hell, match my personal tastes perfectly, and offer to let me do the triple lindy to her backdoor, but that's too much of a red flag.
So I, personally, value my ok's much more than white lists.
if someone has a specific number of "okays" or reviews (though I think I'm less likely to see someone that has a large number of low rated reviews... but not always). I often go about my screening as though the person requesting an appointment with me has never seen a provider before so that i maintain a single standard for screening and avoid any complacency on my part. The big benefit to 'okays' or reviews is that you already have a list of people who you can contact for references if that person provided none in screening. At least in my experience, the likelihood I know or have worked with one of his okays/reviewed providers goes up with the number of okays/reviews that person has, which makes contacting fora reference a lot easier. Other than that, It doesn't really matter.. my goal with seeing anyone, regardless of how many reviews or okays they have, is to know the color of the spots on their dog.
More and More girls are not placing credence in the OK's and White Lists.
I wouldn't worry too much about stacking them up.
They want your real world information.
Their safety and freedom are more important to them
than your fear of losing your anonymity.