The Trump supporters are fooling themselves.
If they don't think his words won't come back to hurt him!
It's not just with latino voters but asian and black voters too. Lol
The GOP did not learn from 2008 and 2012.
They made it even worst for themselves picking Trump.
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....time, I just spent some time listening to Trumps speech today, what a waste of time the same old Trump-speak attack H.C. make big promises & provide no details how he would accomplish them. If this is the way he chooses to for the rest of his campaign he will most certainly lose big on Nov. 8th.
believe that he truly sees them as losers.
Trump can't stand up to that. He needs his followers sloppy mad screaming hatred and rage, not going about living their lives.
Trump's lead with whites is in rural areas. Urban areas, cities or less sparsely populated areas lean more for Clinton. If you look at his followers as hillbillies cowboys and coal miners, that makes a degree of sense. But we all know that ALL of his supporters are not "poorly educated white males" who can't think straight.
A lot of the rural vote comes from farmers and people living in small farm towns. Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin--these are agricultural stated that Trump has securely in his pocket, but his policies are not in any way likely to benefit farmers or the townsfolk who relies on their business. The biggest thing is trade. Trump wants to slap tariffs on China and Mexico, knowing that they will no doubt retaliate in kind. We don't have a lot if manufactured exports, but we do export corn, wheat, soy, almonds...quite a bit of agricultural produce. China especially could ruin that market for us, and would likely simply go elsewhere for grain. This could hit the farmers like the the days of the Dust Bowl prior to the Great Depression. So why do farmers trust that Trump will be good for them? Seems to me that they would be very worried about Trump, more so than their city cousins. Can somebody explain?Trump doesn't WANT to impose tariffs, but he is not going to take their use unilaterally off the table, or make some dumb line in the Syrian sand like our current feckless leader has done.
I suppose you and your ilk have repeated the lie for so long about Trump "wanting" to impose tariffs you most likely actually believe it, but it's simply not true. You must have gone to the Cheesy school of debate, first you start with a flawed foundation and then you dish out all the fruit from the poisoned tree as if it were fact. Sorry WB, but when the foundation of your argument is a bald faced lie, so are all the conclusions drawn from that faulty foundation. Tune in next week when we dissect the Socratic method of debate for Cheesy and the rest of you studying for your GED's BTW, How did your Brexit bets turn out for you? Would you like to go back to the day and days immediately after Brexit and compare notes? Or do you need a loan to keep your wi fi turned on? lol
Again, this would make another good ad for Hillary's campaign! 
Gambler might be right that Trump doesn't want to impose tariffs. Who knows? There's no reason to think that the markets are headed toward making it necessary to tax imports. For some things it would be foolish as we wouldn't be able to immediately fill the demand.
But Iowa, for instance, could be doing a lot better. But there has been these signals of better times like the price of land creeping up to close to 10K an acre, even though a bushel of corn hasn't changed much for a couple decades. And it's not just the commodity speculators manipulating supply/demand; even they need to make a profit at some point. Not all farmers are Rednecks. Agriculture is more of a science these days than a bunch of peasants tilling the soil and praying for rain. They're smart people, mostly, and they are not so tied to either Party that they let it get in the way of voting their pocketbook. But I don't see how Trump is offering them anything. So he wants to rebuild the factories. Nothing much to do with them. He wants to subsidize the goal industry. There's a lot of farms with windmills dotting their fields and its working out pretty well for them. They've got a steady market for soy and corn, and they are good at guessing which to plant which years. But Trump doesn't have much to offer them. Maybe they feel that Clinton doesn't either, but that wouldn't be enough. Maybe they just aren't interested this year.when you consider his immigration proposals. While he changes every day, the last thing I heard is that he wants to slow down the guest worker program and stop issuing green cards for a year or two (except for high tech workers]. But if you ship out the undocs and slow/stop the guest worker program, a lot of farmers will not be able to harvest their crops. The notion that there is large group of American unemployed who would take these low paying, back breaking, seasonal jobs is beyond naïve.
I think even the uneducated hillbillies realize that his threat to put a 45% tariff on Chinese goods is a horrible idea and would never pass Congress. Treaties control a lot of these issues so he can't act by executive order. But the President has a lot more power to move forward with immigration polices than to impose tariffs, so he really could do some harm to farmers here. Fortunately, this is all theoretical since there is no chance Trump will be elected. His pandering toward the black community - he just said "vote for me and I promise you will not be shot"- and his almost complete cluelessness about black life - he reminds of the commodity traders' attitude toward Eddie Murphy in Trading Places - is almost beyond beliefSince you seem to be implying that a "Brexit" surprise is imminent in the U.S election. You up for betting for Trump, or more dumb bravado bullshit from you ? BTW, you said that you were staying away from the board because you were bored; guess after 12 years of living on TER boards you must be "board bored"-----LOL ! I think the real reason is one or both of these factors : you're trying to whittle your massive post count down out of shame &/or you're embarrassed being continually bitch slapped here as one of the few supporters of the moron Trump. I guess you would say that I'm laying a "flawed foundation",to which, echoing the words of Roy Scheider in "All That Jazz,"Don't bullshit a bullshitter".
Lastly, you're not the mod here anymore, & haven't been for years. It would behoove you to stop acting like a deposed 9 year old "King of the playground".I suppose you and your ilk have repeated the lie for so long about Trump "wanting" to impose tariffs you most likely actually believe it, but it's simply not true.
You must have gone to the Cheesy school of debate, first you start with a flawed foundation and then you dish out all the fruit from the poisoned tree as if it were fact. Sorry WB, but when the foundation of your argument is a bald faced lie, so are all the conclusions drawn from that faulty foundation.
Tune in next week when we dissect the Socratic method of debate for Cheesy and the rest of you studying for your GED's
BTW, How did your Brexit bets turn out for you? Would you like to go back to the day and days immediately after Brexit and compare notes? Or do you need a loan to keep your wi fi turned on? lol
Corn might be down over the last couple of years, but to say it hasn't changed much over the last twenty years is a patently ridiculous statement, you might as well say oil hasn't changed much over the last twenty years. Don't take my word for it, just look at the chart.
You also seem to forget that "the heartland" of this country absolutely despises the Clintons, even Bill. As for the windmills, have you ever looked at the economics of wind farms, if I ran my business that way I would have been broke decades ago. Wind farms are a fucking joke and make zero economic sense. Let me put it simple terms, When I drill an oil well I hope to get my money back in a few months, a year is good, a couple of years is tolerable and any oil that takes three years or more to pay itself off is considered a failure. Now lets look at wind farms. if everything goes PERFECTLY, you can expect to get your money back in TWENTY fucking years. Do I really need to say more? BTW, I think you meant "coal" industry. The coal industry doesn't need subsidies unlike solar and wind. The coal business was doing just fine until Obama declared war on the industry and Hillary in a moment of honesty admitted she wanted to put the coal industry out of business until she realized she was in PA. Come on WB, you at least act like you are trying to have an actual discussion, but lets try getting some of the underlying facts right.
addressing working class whites are still quite legitimate. I still see a good Hillary campaign ad in it.