People here keep defending Limbaugh when he's accused of racism, and Rush keeps making it harder and harder for them to do so.
Limbaugh stuck his foot in his mouth again (which is hard to do considering his head's usually up his ass). In the wake of the outpouring of sympathy for Haiti coming from all over the world, Rush had this to say about the tragedy:
"Warning that the crisis in Haiti will "play right into Obama's hands," conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh politicized the nationwide humanitarian efforts being made by Americans of all stripes on the heels of a near-unimaginable disaster.
Positing that race relations are a driving factor behind the Obama Administration's support for the stricken Haitians, Limbaugh said, " . . . they'll use this to burnish their, shall we say, credibility with the black community, both the light-skinned and dark-skinned black community in this country . . . it's made to order for them."
"Besides, we've already donated to Haiti," Limbaugh said later in the program to a caller. "It's called the U.S. income tax."
He went on to imply that the Whitehouse website that Obama referred people who wanted to donate to Haiti was a scam. He questioned if the money would ever reach Haiti and suggested that it was just a ploy to get people's information so they could send them Obama re-election emails.
Notice also that he's seperated the "black community" in America into "light skinned blacks" and "dark skin blacks"!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/14/limbaugh-weve-already-don_n_422958.html
How can ANYBODY think this guys isn't a racist???
Now on the that other shinning example of the good Christian, Pat Robertson...
Pat seems to think that any natural disaster that affects primarily black people is brought on by themselves; Like he did with Katrina, he blamed the people themselves for bringing about "God's wrath".
It seems that the Hatian people made a "pact with the devil" to escape French rule in the 18th century, and have been cursed ever since. He stated that the earthquake was a result of that pact.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/haitians-made-a-pact-with-the-devil-pat-robertson/story-e6frg6so-1225819420988
Both these guys are an embarrassment to the human race!
My views of Humanity tend to have a cynical outlook; I think at times human nature takes us to bery low places.
One of the things that give me hope is the way people in general and Americans in particular respond to the tragedy of a global natural disaster.
America has always been first on the scene of any disaster of the magnatude of the one in Haite, both with physical and financial aid. The way we respond to people thousands of miles away that we don't know, of all cultures and colors and religions, give me hope that maybe humanity isn't all that bad after all.
So when someone like Limbuagh sullies that view by besmerching those efforts, it just REALLY PISSES ME OFF. To politicize the suffering of others for one's own personal agenda is just plain low. Limbaugh is a reprehensible human being, a hypocritical drug-taking windbag who I sincerely hope one day, when peope come to their senses about him, finds himself on the other end of the social spectrum and gets as much sympathy from others as he gives them today.
It's people like him and Pat Robertson that will assure that I NEVER become conservative. Glenn Beck drives me nuts, but in essence he's just a snake-oil salesman. Limbaugh and Robertson, on the otherhand, are just plain mean-spirited, bad people.
He's as hypocritical and racist as they come.
Limbaugh is not so much a racist as he is just plain full of himself. He can't see anything but cynical, bullshit politics and conniving.
I've never liked Rush personally. I find him to be a great entertainer because he does say things that are quite creative and make you think. But, while he is a very talented radio commentator, he is a turd and a narcissist of the most extreme kind.
Regardless of how intelligent someone is, or how good he is at his job, when someone goes out of his way and makes a specific point to distingush between light-skinned blacks and dark-skinned blacks, he's a racist, pure and simple.
"Regardless of how intelligent someone is, or how good he is at his job, when someone goes out of his way and makes a specific point to distingush between light-skinned blacks and dark-skinned blacks, he's a racist, pure and simple."
Black people sure do talk about light skinned and dark skin Blacks.....around friends anyway.
I don't think they are being racist..
Skinny girls talk about thick girls without a hint of racism.
I don't think Rush is a racist but merely a jerk that makes ridiculous, controversial statements to boost his ratings..He's a jerk for sure ..Kind of like Howard stern if Howard stern was political.. I quit listening to Howard years ago when Howard crossed my line.
Rush is on thin ice from my perspective.
I think Rush was making a very poor attempt at mocking Sen. Reid when he made the light-skinned vs. dark-skinned comparison.
Rush may be racist for all I know but I really don't care. I seldom listen to him and never go out of the way to listen to him. While I tend to agree with a lot of the same political beliefs as he does, I do not care for him personally.
But, he sure as hell knows how to draw an audience . . . . . . .
"to distinguish between light-skinned blacks and dark-skinned blacks, he's a racist, pure and simple".
For fucks sake man, blacks have been doing this amongst themselves since the beginning. I know many light-skinned blacks that have been ostracized by others in their own communities that were darker. Worked with some, related to 3, (nieces), dated a few. They catch hell from their dark-skinned brethren. One pilot I flew with, said he wasn't black, he'd been told he was 'beige' by the darker members of his own family. WTF, there's no room for that bullshit.
I never said racism was exclusively a white thing... but it's not really germane to my post; I was specifically talking about Limbaugh's overt racism and the conservative apologists who support him.
His actions say he is a racist too!!! The feds dropping charges , I mean eric holder letting off the black panthers who showed up at voter booths and intimidated white voters, to the automatic assumption the Boston police acted stupidly, to putting in Sonja, THE SUPREME COURT JUDGE THAT DOESNT LIKE WHITE MEN..
about robertson statement bout a ''pact'' they made with the devil, you may want to look into that before you TOTALLY discredit his claim...
He isnt speaking literally, but metaphorically,find out who ''the pact'' is with, AND WHAT ROBERSTSON IS REALLY SAYING!
It has something to do with Haitians promising to be muslim, I heard on talk radio a couple days ago, that Haitians may start getting housed at gitmo,WHICH IS AN AWFUL IDEA, because of the exposure of radical islam, they will probably receive there...The ''pact'' with the devil has something to do with this, christian missionary's stay posted up in Haiti, BECAUSE THEY PROMISED TO CONVERT TO ISLAM for their freedom, then lived 100's of years with no real govt or rule to impose this, we've been lucky, because our hatian neighbors havnt been radicalized yet...
Limbaugh on the other hand, is no more racist than Reid or Obama.. We the people are MUCH less racist, than our leaders, and thats sad..One of the reasons you dont like limbaugh is he is pompas, ONTOP OF YOU DONT LIKE WHAT HE IS SAYING ABOUT OBAMA..
as you convert to the conservative side, you may start seeing how bad obama and this admin is..
THERE IS HOPE FOR YOU EDDIE, and NONE FOR WILLY 
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Your first paragraph is fundamentally flawed and without merit, specifically you mentioning the incident between Gates and the Boston police. How can anyone assume that Obama's support of Gates is exclusively racist, given the fact that any given day afican-americans are harassed by the police. This is not an opinion but a statement of fact. Combined this with the fact that police are poorly trained in conflict resolution and will often arrest citizens for simply talking back. The was an incident in DC where an AA officer arrested a whitte lawyer for simply saying "I hate cops". This is not racist, but a situation where a policeman, given the full power of the gov't, goes on a power trip. Obama's understanding of these facts does not make him racist but rather understanding of the politics of race.
Oh and another thing, how can you call any of mixed heritage like Obama, say that he's racist. His mother is White, his grandparents are white...just on the face of it your assertion that he's racist is utter stupidity.
Just because you acknowledge race, that does not make you a racist!!
"Limbaugh on the other hand, is no more racist than Reid or Obama.."
TJ, I disagree with you that Obama and/or Reid are racist, but that's beside the point. Even if they were, that doesn't make it OK for others to be racists.
As for Robertson, what you've heard on the radio is people trying to do damage control for Robertson's insane remark. Watch the actually video of him making the statement and tell me you don't think he was speaking literally...
We BOTH know Art Bell WAS NOT doing damage control for pat robertson..lol ...
We agree to disagree ON EVERYTHING ELSE
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He did say that the White House would use it for political gain. That is the Obama M.O. Hey, who was it who said that you should never waste a crisis? Could that the Obama's right hand man? Why yes!
When someone brags about using a crisis that way, what is wrong with suspecting their motives.
Second, he did us a hell of a lot of "I"s in his speech. "I" did that. "My admisinstration....." Why not, "The American people are sending aid..."
Third, it does make him look good. And don't you believe the just loves that?
Fourth, it is an implicit lie. I love how you don't have the exact quote with a link where he said, "Do not donate." He did not tell people not to donate. He told them not to domate through the White House. The federal government aid is not as efficient as some of the private charities. If you give $1 through the government, 50 cents will get to Haiti. (ESTIMATE. DON'T GO APE-SHIT, unless you want to explain how economically efficient federal programs are.)
THere are some charities where if you give $1, more will get to the the problem.
Finally, so what????? The fact that you can find a few conservatives who are not "compasionate" (in your mind) does not under cut the rest of the political view.
You only see what you want to see. You only hear what you want to hear. It's one thing to be an apologist for Beck, Coulter, O'Reilly and Fox News, the fact that you feel it necessary to be an apologist for the scumbag Limbaugh is another.
Implicit lie??? Show me in my original post where I ever said Limbugh said not to donate money to Haiti??? I quoted Limbaugh directly and linked to his direct statement, and you obfuscate the issue by scolding me for not linking to a direct quote of him saying not to donate money to Haiti, which I never said or implied, as you well know.
Karl Rove couldn't have done it better...
Of course, by focusing on Obama, you're trying your best to deflect from the entire point of my post, which was that Limbaugh is a hypocrite who cares nothing for the people in Haiti, instead seeing the tragedy as an opportunity to accuse Obama of doing exactly what Limbuagh himself IS doing, using the tragedy to further his own agenda.
My post wasn't about Obama... it was about Rush Limbaugh and Pat Robertson and what hypocritical, non-caring racist bastards they are.
You wanted to know where you said Limbugh said not to donate. Well, first, I said it was implicit. Now, what you said was, "He went on to imply that the Whitehouse website that Obama referred people who wanted to donate to Haiti was a scam. He questioned if the money would ever reach Haiti and suggested that it was just a ploy to get people's information so they could send them Obama re-election emails."
If that is not an implication that people shouldn't donate, I don't know what is. If people are raising money for X, and I say it is a scam, impliedly, I am saying don't donate.
I heard the quote. He did say we give through taxes. But that was in a response to a question of if the other charities are already there, why go through the White House. (I forgot if he menioned Red Cross or which one.) He then went on to talk about other private charities. In context, it is obvious he is saying the other charities are better if you want to donate.
FUNNY, FUNNY, FUNNY that you accuse Rush of being the type to use a tragedy for political gains. And yet you ignore my point that the entire philosophy of the Chicago White House is if you have a crisis, you use it for political gain. Gosh, maybe Rush is becoming a Rahm.
If you brag about using a crisis for political gain, don't bitch when someone questions your motives in reacting to a crisis.
OOoooh. Drag out the racist. Say anything about someone (or some country) that happens to be black, and it has to be racist. Can't question Obama's motives unless racist. Can't question efficacy of government aid to Haiti unless racist.
Philwonka, your claim that "the entire philosophy of the Chicago White House is if you have a crisis, you use it for political gain" is absurd; it's an ASSUMPTION on your part based on consevative rhetoric being spewed by the very people you're defending. I'm curious; what facts do you have to back that claim up? What crisis have we had the the White House has cynically used for political gain?
And his statement about income taxes came AFTER the discussion of alternative charities; it was thrown in at the end and had no bearing to the question the caller asked.
As for dragging "out the racist", you're blowing smoke and trying to divert the real issue... It has nothing to do with questioning efficacy of goverment aid to Hiati and it has nothing to do about questioning Obama's motives, and you well know it. Many conservative commentators/pundits have done that without me calling them racist. Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly constantly question Obama's motives and I've never called them racist. I called Limbaugh a racist for one reason and one reason only. He has displayed a pattern of racists remarks on an ongoing basis... this was only one new example out of many, and one more out of many that you've attempted to make an excuse for.
You know, you can be a good conservative without having to defend other conservatives when they're plain wrong.
I do not listen to Rush. I used to, but gave up listening to him during the last presidential campaign. He just became too off the wall for me, and someone else dear to my heart had my ear at the time. (Wow... has she changed her views... lol)
But I did take the time to go check out Rushs site after reading your post, and YES you do have to scroll all the way to the bottom, but I found what I expected to find. Maybe Rush didnt want to push his listeners to the White House website to donate because he had a place on his website for his listeners to donate thru Clear Channel. A comparison of how much per dollar actually gets to the relieve effort might be a cool comparison down the road. I would want to place any betsit is probably a 50/50 toss up at this point.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html
Danny Glover in an telephone interview, talking about the Haitian earthquake and its horrible aftermath...
Quote:
When we see what we did at the climate summit in Copenhagen, this is the response, this is what happens, you know what Im sayin."
Actor Danny Glover believes that the Haitian earthquake was caused by climate change and global warming:
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/pact_with_gaia/
"The fact that you can find a few conservatives who are not "compasionate" (in your mind) does not under cut the rest of the political view" says the queen of off-the-cuff, fiction-based generalizations about groups of people he's had very little contact with. That was a hilarious read. I dig irony.
They are both going to burn in Hell for all eternity!! That is what happens when you sell your soul to Lucifer.
but does anybody really believe that their money sent to Haiti will really end up anywhere but lining some corrupt politician pocket.
We have sent billions is aid, both public and private to Haiti. None of it has made the slightest difference except to make it's rulers fabulously wealthy. Why would anyone expect anything different?
I won't be donating a penny to Haiti, and I don't feel the least bit guilty about it. Haiti is a cesspool of it's own making and all the good intentions and charitable donations in the world are not going to fix whats wrong with Haiti.
I donated to the American Red Cross. The organization is exceptional at using money for disaster relief for victims. I am comfortable donating.
I agree that Haiti's biggest problem is the country's leaders. But failing to work to relieve human suffering only adds another layer of brutality to victims.
In an indirect way our leading the way in haiti relief blunts arguments that extremists make against us. We have gained allies in critical places and those places are not Haiti.
The light skin/dark skin remark was a dig at Reid who recently used a similar phrase.
The light/dark support comment was a dig at President Obama. Rush has a hardon for the President. Sad statement on our time, but it's politics.
Tit for tat, it doesn't make a difference and doesn't make Limbaugh any less of a racist...
And while Limbaugh might be an intelligent guy, irony isn't his strong suit; he comes at an issue head first, so to think that his remarks made in an off the cuff response to a caller were a subtle dig at Harry Reid is giving him too much credit.
I accept that they speak for many people harboring the same opinions. One just has to choose to behave in ways that support their opinions, or not. I choose, not.
Yes, that's all true, they're both racist, but very popular. Which points to a larger issue.