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"In Aurora, Colorado, it is illegal to stop a massacre"
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In what must be one of the most ironic affronts to common sense, I now learn that if indeed someone has been sitting in the Aurora movie theater with a concealed weapon and had had the gumption to whip it out and give Holmes a hot lead aspirin right between the peepers, he would have been arrested on a gun violation.

TOO WEIRD TO MAKE UP, DEPT:

http://www.naturalnews.com/036549_Aurora_concealed_carry_gun_confiscation.html

The tragedy is a great loss for everyone involved.  All the more so because it is now being used by ghouls pausing barely long enough in their carrion feeding frenzy to argue in favor of more gun control.

The tragedy demonstrates the unsurprising results of a disarmed population.  


              Is this the face of a mind-controlled patsy, a la CIA/MKUltra?

I'm not all that familiar with Colorado's carry laws, but from what I've read, a few towns have outlawed it.

I have my doubts that a bunch of kids watching a Batman movie would have likely been carrying anyway though. Even if they were, I doubt that anything much could have been done about it in this case. Most unfortunate.

CIA/MK Ultra? Sorry, man, I'm not buying it.

“In what must be one of the most ironic affronts to common sense, I now learn that if indeed someone has been sitting in the Aurora movie theater with a concealed weapon and had had the gumption to whip it out and give Holmes a hot lead aspirin right between the peepers, he would have been arrested on a gun violation.”


          Time to unlearn this one, Sappybullwriter. Under Colorado law, the people in that theatre had a right to use physical force in self-defense, including deadly force under the circumstances they faced:


18-1-704. Use of physical force in defense of a person. (1) Except as provided in subsections (2) and (3) of this section, a person is justified in using physical force upon another person in order to defend himself or a third person from what he reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful physical force by that other person, and he may use a degree of force which he reasonably believes to be necessary for that purpose.

(2) Deadly physical force may be used only if a person reasonably believes a lesser degree of force is inadequate and: (a) The actor has reasonable ground to believe, and does believe, that he or another person is in imminent danger of being killed or of receiving great bodily injury;

Would a person with “the gumption to whip it out” still be arrested on a gun violation? No, the choice of evils statute would simply make the violation of the gun ordinance or whatever it is not criminal at all:

18-1-702. Choice of evils. (1) Unless inconsistent with other provisions of sections 18-1-703 to 18-1-707, defining justifiable use of physical force, or with some other provision of law, conduct which would otherwise constitute an offense is justifiable and not criminal when it is necessary as an emergency measure to avoid an imminent public or private injury which is about to occur by reason of a situation occasioned or developed through no conduct of the actor, and which is of sufficient gravity that, according to ordinary standards of intelligence and morality, the desirability and urgency of avoiding the injury clearly outweigh the desirability of avoiding the injury sought to be prevented by the statute defining the offense in issue.

        And now we return you to today’s episode of the X Files in which Scully and Mulder ponder whether Sappybullwriter’s posts are “too weird to  make up”:

“Mulder, how could anyone actually believe it is illegal to stop a massacre?”
“Well, Scully the effect of  LSD use in the 60s and constant excessive masturbation have never been fully studied.”
"All right, I’ll give him a pass this time but I hope I’m never around when he has
'the gumption to whip it out.'”









If I recall correctly, I said that the hero of this sadly hypothetical situation would "be arrested for a gun violation."  Your response was to start using your mouth prettier than a $1500 per half-hour provider and provide us with a bunch of legalistic niceties that may or may not have worked to get my "Mr. Gumption" acquitted of gun charges in the even bleaker hypothetical that you, or someone like you would use in your courtroom defense of the aformentioned Mr. Gumption after his arrest, and arrainment on such charges.  

A few observations:

"The people in that theatre had a right to use physical force in self-defense"  Physical force? Like a swift kick to the assailant's balls?  A Three-Stooges double-eye poke?  

What are you talking about when you say "deadly physical force?"  

Even if this, as well as your fatous example of the "choice of evils" principle is the case in the fascistic, beknighted gun-control paradise known as Colorado, these laws can not and would not act as estoppel protecting Mr. Gumption's actions when he violated the gun laws prior to the incident by the unauthorized carry of a firearm.

"Ordinary standards of intelligence and morality?"  That may be your funniest quip ever!

Check this out from RRO's post within this thread:

"A mother with children was trying to protect her kids and self from a proven violent ex-husband/SO whatever. A TRO had been already filed by the woman and she had 911 on the phone as he was trying to break through her front door. The cops were several minutes away. She fired a warning shot to frighten him away. The warning shot worked; but they have now imprisoned HER for a very long stretch for some ridiculous gun "Misuse" violation."

One doesn't have to look very hard to find stories like this.  They're splashed all over the media with great regularity.  I'm almost willing to think that they would be the typical rule and not the rare exception in places occupied by people who've sent a large number of gun grabber to public offices.  Where were the "ordinary standards of intelligence and morality" when that mother fired a warning shot to protect her family?

Where did I get that? Oh now I remember - IT'S THE TITLE OF YOUR CAPTION AND THE POINT OF YOUR X FILE INDUCING POST.

   But certainly you are correct that the use of a gun in self defense would not excuse a PRIOR violation of a gun control ordinance, or sneaking into the theatre without paying, or breaking in line, or speeding on the way to the movie or.....



which contained the heading of the OP.  I quoted the sub-heading of the article I linked, so I thought it accoding to Hoyle that I place it in the quotes.  Wouldn't want to violate copyright laws, now would we?

Thank you for agreeing with me-I know that it difficult for you.  Speaking of sneaking into the theater without paying, that is exactly how Holmes got into the place.  So, in light of this lawless prelude to his arrest subsequent to the shootings, it seems futile to think that gun-control laws would have had any deterrent effect on the final result of the Batman Massacre.

A mother with children was trying to protect her kids and self from a proven violent ex-husband/SO whatever. A TRO had been already filed by the woman and she had 911 on the phone as he was trying to break through her front door. The cops were several minutes away. She fired a warning shot to frighten him away. The warning shot worked; but they have now imprisoned HER for a very long stretch for some ridiculous gun "Misuse" violation.

 Deep down LE knows it cannot(and will not) protect the public; but it constantly propagandizes that THEY are the "End All" in our protection. That is why most articles about a law abiding citizen protecting themselves, family and/or property successfully with a gun only make it to tiny, limited circulation papers and magazines. The LA PD does NOT want the LA Times serendipitously exposing the very real fact that POLICE are RE-ACTIVE as well as trained to wait until the crime has ceased so as to less endanger themselves as well as hopefully allow for more bloodshed/evidence to be later collected.

 Here in Gun control raveged California a citizen, property owner better be able to show TWO or more felon created bullet holes directly behind where they were standing at the time of their self defense or the State will probably award the "citizen's" property to the attacker or his surviving heirs while doing a 20 year stint for illegal self defense.

 Gang-bangers 'refer' to innocent bystander victims as "Mushrooms". The police intentionally "use" us as Mushrooms.

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