Multiple reports say Mateen was known at Pulse, having visited there several times.  He also may have used gay dating sites and chat rooms.  Not exactly the model of an Islamic terrorist.

...as lazy righties are wont to do?  

"Sekaleshfar said 'forgiveness is possible' for homosexuality and that 'executions' should only be carried out in countries where Islamic law exists.
 
Sekaleshfar offered his 'sincere condolences' to the friends and families of those massacred:
'The killing of innocent life is never justified by religion,' he said.  
'The perpetrator of this shooting has directly violated this holy commandment and displayed a complete disregard for the sanctity of human life and divine values.'

..a self-hating gay man who spent all his life portraying the opposite. A fraud in need of a Freud.

The reports are all over the media tonight.  What I reported is true.  Why would you have a problem with that?  I'm not even sure which way it cuts.  He was fucked up, hated himself for being gay/sexually confused, and blamed the gays.  Islam was a nice, convenient way to justify it.  It's disgusting any way you cut it.  But, please, calling names while denying reality is the definition of clueless.

Kind of a long time to case a place, don't you think?
There are facts and there's opinion.  Facts don't have a political purpose.  They just "are."
And if you think I believe these new facts take the onus of him cloaking himself in radical Islam, you're also wrong.  They simply complicate an already tragic story.


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....But we also know they are among the world's biggest hypocrites. The leaders of the 9/11 "jihad warriors" who pulled off 9/11 were caught on film patronizing strippers and drinking alcohol in at least one Las Vegas topless club weeks before they flew airplanes into the WTC. I'm quite confident they also engaged hookers while in Las Vegas but they haven't released any information confirming that. I doubt Muslims come to Las Vegas to visit our mosques.  

Yeah, I believe the evidence supports this a$$hole was a self-hating gay Muslim who thought his "sin" would be cleansed by murdering some of the people he likely had sex with.

I knew the stories of the 9/11 perps going to bars and strip clubs.  Hypocrites is almost inadequate.  So why is it such a stretch that this nut was a closeted gay?

The gays, you stand in line with, at the soup kitchen told you

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  Are you absolutely sure your CNN facts are factual?  

  For a minute, based on your OP, I was beginning to get the  feeling  you were attempting to put the blame on a closet Homosexual for killing dozens of people in cold blood, instead of blaming the # 1 truth, the religion he grew up with and surrounded by, hates Homosexuals with a passion, more so than 99.99999999 % of modern day extremist Christians.
 
    When your Dad is a Taliban supporter it's likely you'll be a lunatic, by association alone.
   
   I'm glad you backed up  from your self hating gay analysis in your OP as the root cause of  the Orlando tragedy.
   
  I could have missed the memo, I've never  heard of any, atheist/ agnostic  or Catholic priest,
   closet homosexuals, going on killing sprees in the LGBT community because they felt self hatred.
 
  Perhaps our # 1 troll has evidence of that in his 500 AD. book of imaginary facts.  
   
    I've  read  of many radical Islamic terrorists killing innocent people of the LGBT community
Whether they had sex before they killed them is a moot point.    
   
        In your defense you were likely influenced by CNN.  
       

 I'm certainly not claiming with authority Mateen was not living a secret homosexual life.

   When I first heard of the tragedy in Orlando, early morning, watching International news, before he was killed by LE, when the original death count was unknown, I jumped to conclusions, told my GF, the killer might be trapped in the closet, and feels shame  for his own affection  
  toward men.  

She said "NO way, Gays aren't violent like that."  
I agreed she was more than likely correct.
I'll  admit I agree with her when there's no valid reason for disagreeing with her logic.

 
    The channel I was watching was broadcasting live the patrons messages to the outside, while hiding in various places, dressing rooms, rest rooms etc. pleading for help in vain.  
  One of the saddest things I've ever seen live.    
       
      Everyone could help civilization and peaceful coexistence by remembering, it does no good for society to  joke/ laugh at,or mock the LGBT community, even behind closed doors.  
   
   If no one mocks the LGBT community and only shows them love, there will be no reason for them to hide from society or ever feel shame for their sexual preference........  

   
 As sad as I am about this whole ordeal, I can't even imagine how the LGBT community is feeling.

Quite often, journalists  who know so little act like they have knowledge of all the facts.  
   
  A few facts come to mind that possibly could have prevented the needless deaths in Orlando  
   
  1. If Mateen's ex wife had filed a police report on his domestic violence it's possible  he wouldn't have had  a security job and the dollars  to buy guns and ammo. .  
   
   2. The FBI  had Mateen  in their  sights for violent speak and supporting jihad. They interviewed him twice in 2013 after he made pro radical Jihadism statements in the presence of co workers.  
    In 2014 he  was interviewed by agents a third time because of his  association with  Moner Mohammad Abu Salha, an American anchor baby from  Florida who traveled to  Syria for ISIS jihad training, came back home to Florida  and recruited  jihad prospects.  
  Salha went back to Syria and died  as a suicide bomber.  
   
   According to the FBI, Mateen, a known ISIS supporter was not under surveillance at the time of the shooting.  
   
 I'm wondering, who's in charge of investigating  the credentials of  Syrian refugees

Do you realize you are actually incoherent?
Jesus.  It's not that complicated.  He was a self-hating gay Islamic terrorist.  Why does that bother you?

........is that there are more closeted gay Muslims than in most other religions of the World COMBINED. Take Afghanistan for example, where U.S. Troops openly observed sexual abuse of young boys by Aghani men and were not allowed to expose it by their superior officers. They were told by their superior officers it was part of their Aghani culture for the past 100's of years and to leave things be

And that is why I classified them as some of "the world's biggest hypocrites." Some men get tossed off buildings for having consentual  sex with adults while army officers are allowed to rape minors and our soldiers are told to ignore it. Adults forcefully sodomizing children should have their throats cut........slowly.

ass REALLY left a psychological scar

you NEVER attack the murderous jihadists - just those evil Christians

is your real name Mohammed?

That fact that he was a self hating gay takes nothing away from the fact that it was his religion, not his gayness that prompted him to go on a murderous rampage. I wonder what he thought would be waiting for him in Paradise?  

The world is full of self hating gays, even on these boards there are some so obsessed about anything gay it seems rather obvious they have "tendencies" as the typical heterosexual who is secure in his own sexuality has better things to do than obsess over what gays do BCD. The difference is of course that Christian, Atheist, Agnostic, Buddhist gays aren't taught (browbeaten) that their sexuality is not only a sin, but a crime for which the only proper punishment is death.

I will allow it's possible that some very confused Christian gay man may have killed himself and others because of being similarly brow beaten by an overbearing Christian father, but Islam takes the hate to an entirely new level.

head to a church for a free meal or some other type of handout. Speaking of hypocrites.

Having consensual sex with another man is a crime for which death is the only punishment as it offends Allah.

FORCING yourself on a helpless boy is ok though, because it allows Allah to add to his kiddie porn collection.  

In short it's only a sin/crime if the other person enjoys it.

 
See how simple that is?  

Next up, why women should not be allowed to drive.

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Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough here tonight?  Apparently not.

From what I understand, rather than him heading to a church for his daily handout, he insisted on them bringing it to him.

Here is the difference between Chrstians, even the worst of them, compared to Muslims on the gay issue.

The worst of the Bible Thumping Christians believe that God will punish those sinners by casting them into an eternal lake of fire, where they will burn for eternity. Pretty harsh stuff, right? Of course it's only harsh if there really is a lake of fire and an invisible sky daddy to punish them. The Muslims OTOH not only believe that they will suffer for eternity, but that eternity should start "right now" and by their own hand, throwing them off of buildings or mowing them down in clubs instead of letting "God" mete out their punishment. It's one thing to wish someone to die, it's quite another to actually kill them. One day the looney left will figure this out. Yeah, sure they will.

Sounds like he has over dosed on Ex-Lax......Again

 
Thank you  
2016 = 28

I was responding to a post of yours referring to "tonight."
-500.
When you've got followme agreeing with you, you know your really, really lost.

Rough period this month, ladies?

Your last comment proves only that you can't read.  Kind of like your first comment on this thread. And you are so far behind you've got dead last confused leading the pack.
Your embarrassment is now complete.  You started off totally mis-understanding what I wrote and you're still at it.  Do you realize no one on this entire thread agreed with you?  Not even swallowme.  He just jumped in with his usual weak mumblings.  Congratulations.  Please stop before you hurt yourself.  You're already punch drunk.

asshole believe in such things!

what is this country coming to when people like that walk among us!

a note for the stupid - this is sarcasm