I had an interesting conversation at work today. A coworker (who's quite conservative) starts going off on how horrible Obama is because apparently it's his fault that ISIS hit Paris. Now, despite what I say here on the ole P&R, talking about politics tends to be frowned upon in my office. I find it best to basically make short non-committal remarks like, "eh. what can ya do?" whenever the subject comes up. But for whatever reason, today my coworker decided, fuck it, it's Friday, today is the day where I get to talk shit about Obama because ISIS hit Paris.  

u r a one-trick pony. Is there nothing negative that Bush is not responsible for?

......to heart.  "Fool me once, shame on...shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again" G.W.Bush

Saddam being removed is just another thing contributing to the problem but not the cause. You have a general population that is uneducated, very poor, very little hope of making their lives better. Terrorism and religious fanatics have been on going there for decades, centuries if really want to look at it. Think to yourself if ISIS existed during Saddams reign would he have done anything to stop them? I doubt it if they weren't threatening his power. He didn't try to remove terrorist training camps that were there so why would Isis be treated differently?  
         Are the French attacks Obama s fault? No. I ll maintain what I be said before, individuals or small groups willing to die  to kill and create chaos are almost impossible to stop. our thoughts are too black and white on many of these situations. We couldn't stop it in Vietnam, Russia couldn't stop it in Afghanistan, Germany couldn't stop it during ww2 in countries they had millions of military personal and killed civilians at will to surpress them. The Romans at times killed or enslaved whole populations because they couldn't stop it.  
         I feel for everyone in Paris and anyone who lost friends and family. It s really not a time to blame anyone for what happened other than the group directly responsible.  

Obama appears to believe there is no nexus of ownership from President to President. If a previous president breaks something, his successor also owns it. Now it is also highly possible that by walking away from Iraq Obama thought that would "fix it." If true, that just makes him incredibly stupid. His stupidity was demonstrated (or maybe is was just pure political motivation) that just yesterday morning he publicly announced that ISIS has been contained.

.......in Iraq are the Kurds. Let the Sunni's and Shia fight for what's left in Iraq. ISIS could have been contained a long time ago, if the West/U.S. had immediately supplied military arms to the Kurds, who are able and willing to fight ISIS. We wasted time trying to appease the idiotic politicians in Baghdad while ISIS went ahead and seized most of our U.S. supplied arms from cowardly Iraqi troops.

I don't recall President Bush supporting "moderate"  terrorists and Civil war in Syria.
     

........and will completely destroy Iraq and Lebanon in short order.

We could have taken out their military and closed the boarders. No one in or out until they had a stable, peaceful  government. We didn't have to spend trillions rebuilding for the next dictator or religious fanatic to grab power.

...They'd fight a civil war over which brand of mustache wax is best.

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"Obama appears to believe there is no nexus of ownership from President to President."

It's physically possible to close boarders, just make it a no mans land with drones. Kill anyone in the area and be done with it. You could stop anything from crossing most if not all boarders pretty easily if you kill anything trying to cross.  
       We disbanded it and than retrained and reinstalled it. We could have easily left after a month, left infrastructure destroyed, no government, no military and just let them fight for control of their country. Its not humanitarian, probably not right but entirely possible if you don't worry or care about who you kill. Spare no expense (and it d probably be cheaper than the war was by a long shot) and you could have satellite tracking of anything within 50 miles of their boarder 24/7.