I understand the value of screening for HER protection. My PROBLEM with screening is that my name and other data go into a database that can be retrieved later. What are the odds? Well, like it was said in another post: I don't want to be the one to find out. I'm always amused when a provider says that she destroys the information immediately  upon verification. Yeah right! How else would she know that it's a repeat client or even give a provider reference unless she kept some or all of the information. Again, I don't object to the provider conducting a thourough investigation to ensure her safety & well-being. I do object to my data hanging around forever in a database of somekind.

LE raids her place, grabs her laptop, and there is your name, number, address, etc.

Enough to make you lose sleep.

Legally will LE be able to make a case against you?

Will they even care to?

No one can be certain.

What is certain is that millions do give out info and see providers, and the number of bad incidents with LE is very limited.

Your safety is in numbers and the laws of probability.

Consider as an alternative, hanging out on the street where you can meet a street walker who is not going to ask to see and ID.  Think that is safer?  Guess again.  She could be LE or worse.

Then there are the massage parlors.  They've been getting taken down like sitting ducks lately.  How fast can you get dressed?

This is not the hobby for everyone.

Honest question:  if your info is in a database, is that a criminal offense?  

It seems pretty easy to deny anything ever happened unless you're caught in a sting.

A provider that destroys ALL of the data garnered from her screening is not a very business savvy provider. The data saved however is not usable for an indictment of the hobbyist for solicitation for prostitution or the like. It is also HIGHLY unlikely LE would use it for leverage to extort you or too simply harass you with it in a witch hunt.

 You probably don't think twice about giving your credit card # to a faceless, anonymous voice on the phone so as to make reservations at some upscale venue. Although employed by a known respected business entity the person behind that voice could just as easily have covert, insalubrious plans for the information you afford them.  

Providing information to a well known business is completely different then providing information to a provider.  First of all, a well known business is generally not doing something that is considered illegal by authorities.  

Next, the data that you provide to a respected business is safegaurded by laws and your credit card company.  There are no regulation protecting the information you give to a provider.

Finally giving information to a well established business is not embarrassing and generally cannot be used for extortion purposes.  Imagine the  Ritz Carlton calling your employer and saying "insert name" is going to the Ritz....  But, imagine a provider calling and spilling the bean on a hobbyist.

Additionally, how many times have we heard of a hobbyist getting robbed.  Know imagine the thief with personal information.

Now, I am not oppossed to giving some information, but not my place of employment information.

You said: "The data saved however is not usable for an indictment of the hobbyist for solicitation for prostitution or the like".

There is something called Forensic Investigation. Maybe LE or maybe a private investigator or even an employer (if you are checking things out on a company computer) can review both your personal telephone records and internet traffic (both on your machiene and through your web server/ISP).

This is stuff that can also come back to haunt you. I don't know if this is stuff that is kept forever, or for only some pre-determined amount of time like 3, 5, or 7 years.

So if LE has a beef with you and they find your info on her computer, you might be able to deny any knowledge. But if they have a record of telephone and/or computer traffic to & fro, your deniability goes out the window.

The telephone and web are not as anonymous as we would like. There are some countermeasures, but they can be time consuming, costly, and difficult to implement.

I wish life was easier!

is not an offense, but it is evidence, perhaps, of an offense.

I don't think that any conviction could stand just on that evidence.  There would most likely have to be a situation where you were caught with a provider, evidence that sex for play was occuring, etc.


On the other hand, who relishes the thought of getting a call from the police asking you to come down and answer some questions regarding a call-girl ring.

(still not a lawyer)

If you want to have liberal NSA sex with a beautiful provider of some accountability (IE: reviews) you may have to offer up some accountability of your own.

 If in the extremely rare chance that you suffer some deferred minor embarrassment or inquisitive phone call by some govt' or private concern it is just one of the million risks you wager in life.

If your anonymity is too precious to wager yet you still wish to hobby there is always the anonymous/unaccountability of Craigslist erotic services section.  
 

 

-- Modified on 11/2/2006 6:27:09 PM

I agree with your points about what can be found out, but escorting and contacting an escort, be it by phone or email (or even in person), in and of itself is not illegal. It's only illegal acts that are, well, illegal. Though it may raise suspicion (which can be bad enough), having contacted anyone does not constitute any proof of illegal activity.

Sounds like you're more afraid of blackmail or some type of retaliation more than anything else.  If you are with an established provier and you don't beat her up or rob her, the liklihood of this happening is slim to none.  

How many times *have* we heard of a hobbyist gettng robbed?  Maybe I'm in the dark here, but I'm thinking you're more likely to get robbed by someone you allow into your house for repairs or cleaning than by a provider.

Kate

Yes, good point.

I prefer to fly UTR simply to avoid any problems with my family. I want to play safe for my own reasons without any problems.  

Fortunately, I am not an "upstanding member of the community", "preacher/minister, (etc)", "politician" or any other label that might be "embarassed" by public disclosure of such info. I do have an inquisitve mind and am always amazed when salacious info comes out about people and I ask myself "how did this person allow that to happen to himself?". Take for example Chalie Sheen. His recreational activities came to light only after LE busted Heidi and he was one of the more prominent people in her little black book.  

I'm sure he wasn't the first nor will he be the last to incur embarassment from such a disclosure. I'm also sure, he naively assumed he would never go down like he did.

So, is it unreasonable to consider the possibilities?

Furthermore, in today's society, "proof" is one thing (especially in a criminal trial!), but "appearance of impropriety" can cause extreme financial hardship (depending on the situation, it could cause one to lose their job, or position in the community). It could also cause the possible destruction of relationships/families.

Here is an example (albeit an extreme one) of someone who had his world turned upside down by exposure from his provider. I know the average joe will not find himself in this situation, but it does illustrate how something can go wrong for people who want to maintain their anonimity.

The smoking gun?: The provider released voice mail messages from the client to the media in order to prove his claim.

Most established providers (*and providers who have been in the business for any amount of time*) understand that having specific information about hobbyists could be the added information and proof that L/E might need to place additional charges against the provider.

I understand newbies have a hard time understanding the many facets of a true provider but this is a fact: I know two providers that keep absolutely no information other than the first name and the last 4 digits if the phone number that the gentleman used to contact her with. (The assumption that all providers have a huge data base that they are willing to enter a gentleman’s occupation, his address, his preferences, etc is just not the truth with many providers)

Believe it or not most providers do not have the time to invest in documenting each clients specific information. Couple the time factor with the gross waste of energy, could any gentleman out there explain to me why I would want to keep such information.

There are also several very effective sites that a provider can use to remind herself of a gentleman’s behavior: Date-check, Prefered411 and RS2000. There is even a tool here on TER in the form of white list that is an effective and useful avenue for providers to remind herself of her preferences and experience with a gentleman.

I personally would be concerned about a provider who is inactive in reference sites and tries to organize and maintain all of her own information. (*Obviously she is unaware of how easy it might be to utilize any of the referral sites for secondary confirmation to her memory*)

I do not see how the first name of a gentleman and the last 4 digits of his contact number could ever harm him in any way. Especially when they are secured under a 4 digit code that is not common knowledge.

It is amazing to me that with all of the concerns associated with the hobby that most new gentlemen think that the provider is his biggest threat…… (*The fact is, an established and experienced provider could be your greatest protection in this business*)

My strongest advise is:
Know your provider (*and her reputation*)  Kisses ~Tori  

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