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Where your logic falls short guys. Many ladies fail to get this too----
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TER ALLOWS THREE MONTHS to write a review, and some guys will actually wait longer than 3 months to write one. The fact that a lady (I'm NOT talking about Flora), has been away for weeks, or even MONTHS, or in a different city now, is irrelevant as to whether a review is real, or not.


 O.K. Here's the deal. I've been a TER member since 04, but I've been away in civvie land for a long time, and only came back recently.

 I think I need a refresher course on the review process, so here are my questions. I'm sure some of you can bring me up to speed.

First: Since TER offers a monthly credit toward membership for submitting reviews, what oversight is in place? Obviously, TER needs to remain profitable, so how do they vet reviews as legitimate? Any provider worth her salt should diligently monitor her reviews. If a provider disputes a review, and swears that she never saw the reviewer, is the reviewer banned or disqualified as a member? It's basically her word against his, so how do they determine who is being truthful?

Secondly: On the converse side of the coin, how would TER know if a shill or "White Knight" (as one poster so aptly put it), wasn't submitting bogus reviews with the provider's blessing?

Thirdly: It's always been my feeling that reviews should be taken with a grain of salt. They shouldn't be the primary consideration in choosing a provider, only a guide line. We're only looking for consistency, not all nines and tens. We should understand that reviewers have a tendency to overstate all the sexual gymnastics for ego purposes,lest they appear "performance challenged." Personally, I attach much more value to negative comments, than positive. As long as I feel that the reviewer is trying to be objective, and doesn't have a personal ax to grind. That's where YMMV comes into play. To my mind, back-channeling is the ultimate tool when choosing a provider.

Last: As in the Flora post below, here again what oversight exsists, and how is it vetted? It would be too easy for any provider to just file a complaint and have a negative review pulled, woundn't it? Also,I realize that there are certain agencies and providers who have much more latitude than others, but that's a "horse of another color!" Can't get myself banned or modified here, Lol.

Looking forward to your comments, and hopefully learning something?

These are all good questions.   But we all know that the review process is not perfect.  But one thing I know for sure:  I have a few providers who are good friends and I know when they are not working or out of town.  I also have seen reviews of these ladies when they were supposedly in NYC.  I have even written to guys to ask where they saw the lady because he posted that he saw her in NYC when I know she was away.

Other fakes are harder to find.   If a guy says he did something with a friend of mine I know she does not do, I know that it is fake.  BTW, I have asked guys about that in pms, and never gotten a response.

Smelly Smegma2221 reads

TER ALLOWS THREE MONTHS to write a review, and some guys will actually wait longer than 3 months to write one. The fact that a lady (I'm NOT talking about Flora), has been away for weeks, or even MONTHS, or in a different city now, is irrelevant as to whether a review is real, or not.

I had a review of Flora taken down. I did see her more than three months ago, so it was fair that it was taken down. It was a very positive review, one of the most positive I've written, with very high numbers. Flora PM'd me complaining that she was away so I could not possibly have seen her in August, and protesting a detail. Again, it was fair that it was taken down, but she was nitpicking about a very positive review.

good point also hughhefner. I was still typing a response before I read your post!

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Here is an idea that might help legitimize SOME of the reviews....I pay for my membership. If I write a review, its not cause I am looking for free additional months...If readers were able to see if the reviewer was adding additional time or writing a review without personal gain just might add credence to the review one way or the other.....
   PS, before anyone looks, I don't write reviews and even though its my personal choice, I do enjoy reading the reviews and pay attention to them when making a selection.....

You're not the first guy I've heard to take a review down because of Flora's unhappiness.

I had a review of Flora taken down. I did see her more than three months ago, so it was fair that it was taken down. It was a very positive review, one of the most positive I've written, with very high numbers. Flora PM'd me complaining that she was away so I could not possibly have seen her in August, and protesting a detail. Again, it was fair that it was taken down, but she was nitpicking about a very positive review.



Korn and Smelly:

Good input from both of you guys. Especially the point of personal knowledge, as to providers locations and the point that reviews can be submitted up till three months after the initial visit. Apparently this is a touchy subject! A couple of years ago, this thread would have been half way down the first page by now. There would have been some heated exchanges going on. It certainly wouldn't have taken almost one hundred reads, before someone weighed in. I guess times do change, but guys, it's your board. Lets have some discussion here? Is it going to be an ISO board and a provider advertising venue? I mean hell, we want the providers to post as much as possible, but we could talk about other things no? O.K. I'm done, Thanks guys, good points!

Re: back-channeling

I don't necessarily think back-channeling is a better research method than reading a providers' reviews.  Granted, I have never even seen the men's back-channel myself, but this is why I am expressing some cynicism about it:

I have gotten wind from various "leaks" about things people say about me in back-channel.  Some of the things I've heard are RIDICULOUS.

Why would you assume that the same bragging and exaggeration that pollutes reviews wouldn't also pollute the men's back-channel?

Furthermore, some of the things I've heard that people were saying about me in men's back-channel were accusations or opinions that some hobbyists wouldn't espouse to my face.  This does bother me because I believe that I am a very kind and reasonable person; someone who you can talk to openly without fear or hesitation.  However, when a hobbyist won't tell me their opinions about me to my face (or in a public forum), I have no way of explaining my side of the story.  The more ridiculous things I've heard were said about me in the men's back-channel are things that nobody was willing to say to my face (or in a public forum.)

I am sure a lot of useful and true information is passed around in men's back-channel, but not all of it is true.

of the Hobby! sorry TER is a good source but talking among respected hobbiests is the better more un-filtered and un censored ways to get info.

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to have tightened up the review vetting process as regards to the shills and provider-posted fake reviews by delaying or not approving reviews of providers with limited history by first or second time reviewers.  This has caused some grief for newbies and has been the topic of quite a few Newbie Board Posts (just a few examples):

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?BoardID=33&SortBy=DateCreated%20desc&Search=unaproved&SearchType=1&DayFrom=300&DayTo=0&MessageID=40094&frmSearch=1

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?BoardID=33&SortBy=DateCreated%20desc&Search=review%20approved&SearchType=1&DayFrom=3000&DayTo=0&MessageID=43177&frmSearch=1

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=42261&boardID=33&page=

This seems to be a policy that is designed to weed out the reviews posted just to start a VIP membership or by the provider or pimp who wants to pump up the business.  As you can see in the threads, even if the provider has some review history, the review may still be denied if the reviewer has no TER presence.

As for the fake reviews, you are right on regarding the provider's diligence about monitoring her reviews.  Even when a provider spots one, though, it still is difficult to get it removed; and if she posts about it, she opens herself up to criticism:

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?BoardID=28&SortBy=DateCreated%20desc&SearchType=1&Author=sloan&DayFrom=30&DayTo=0&MessageID=40330&frmSearch=1

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=101191&boardID=9&page=

These are just two examples of the kind of train wreck that occurs when the provider outs the fake review.  It's unfortunate, and it may be one reason why some providers don't bother if the scores are relatively good and the review does not say that she does something she won't do, thereby setting false expectations.

It is my understanding that the provider must email Staff or Admin requesting that the review be taken down as fake. The problem report system is not sufficient:

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=83972&boardID=21&page=4

I believe the reviewer is contacted for his side if it is not a slam dunk case.  If it becomes a he said /  she said thing, it seems that the review is taken down, but the reviewer is not banned.  However, if it becomes apparent that he was just writing the reviews for credit, he is typically banned, which I've seen two times recently.

Further, Staff is on record in multiple places recounting how TER will monitor ISP info vis a vis providers and reviewers to determine review fraud.  Those that are found are banned for posting fake reviews.

I get very suspicious of agency provider profiles populated by the same reviewers over and over who seem to only review the ladies from that agency.  At first glance, it looks like the reviewer has multiple reviews to his credit, but deeper digging shows that they are all from the same agency.  In itself, that wouldn't be too suspicious, but when there are five or six reviewers like that spread out over all of the agency profiles, I begin to think that the agency has too many computers on hand.

Hope this is some of the input you were looking for.  Bottom line is that although it is an unavoidably flawed system, it does have some checks and balances; and is, IMHO, the most credible review system out there.

Alias used to avoid looking like the geek I am and to avoid coming across as a wannabe know-it-all.

BTW, Welcome back.





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 Ter-Dectective:

 This is exactly what I was looking for, not to mention the true reason why using an alias is and option. Bravo, and Bravo again!!!!!

  I admit, I haven't read all the provided links yet, but I was so impressed with your post that I had to respond immediately. This is the TER that I remember! A wealth of information, from an obviously informed source, with links to back up his opinions. THIS WAS STELLAR!

Can't thank you enough, and everyone who reads your post should feel the same way!

Think the Guinness Stout commercial. Brilliant!!

I had an experience about a year ago where I posted a review that a provider claimed was a fake review of her. I was never contacted by TER regarding my post. It was on the board for 2 days, then taken down. I don't want to go into the details of my review or the provider, but I was diligent by corresponding with TER staff and proved my credibility. My review was re-posted.

Also, I think some of the providers get a little to caught up in checking their own reviews.

I was with a well reviewed provider several months ago, and asked her about her reviews, and if it upset her as to the things that were said about her....even though most of the comments were positive, there were always a few negatives.

    She said that she never reads her reviews.....she is also one of the best performance rated providers around, and considered a must see by many on this board. If you worry too much about your reviews, it seems to me you send a negative message out....

    Pretz

I saw a NC lady while she was in FL.....Had a great time, I wrote a very good review.  Nothing negative about her...there was nothing negative to write.....She hates me until the day "after" forever now because I gave her an 8 for looks!  WTF???!!!  I got nasty e mails, phone calls, and PM's.  She never read the review, just threw her laptop against the wall after seeing the 8. (that's as good as she was...not a model...very nice looking tho)  It's difficult to tell one lady from the next with reviews.  All you can do is be honest, and live with the consequences if she happens to be bipolar!   LOL

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I should have put a disclaimer in my post that the provider had acknowledged reading reviews & didn't do so anymore, but why believe her......she's just not the kind to dispute reviews imho. Also, uses no website or e-mail address, just phone.....

pretz

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The majority of the new ladies on CL that get reviews do not read them because they do NOT even know TER or any other review boards exit.

Its a little too explicit for my senses.  Sometims I read them, many times not.  I should, I suppose to protect myself.

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First:  All reviews are considered legit as long as they abide by TER guidelines.  They are only reviewed if disputed and it is just as difficult for hobbyist and provider alike to dispute.  NO they won't ban for a fake review, it is bad for business, but they will ban for breaking TER site policies.  Meaning, posting reviews from under a providers account.  A provider working on her profile from a hobbyist computer.

Second: Having multiple accounts is a violation of TER policy.  If a hobbyists wants to post more than one review of a lady he may do so, it simply replaces his past review.  That said, it is supposed to contain new experiences that will add to the public knowledge of the provider and what she offers.  If it is only a repeat of a past peformance it will not be approved.

Third: Reviews do have to be taken with a grain of salt as there are all kinds of personalities writing them.  I am sad to hear that you put more stock in the negatives than the positives.  That comment seems to read as if you open a review to see if anything negative is stated and then move on.  I hope that is not the way you look at everything in life...only the negatives are worth reading. Disclaimer; I apologies if that was not your intent, that was just the way it sounded to me when reading it.  The YMMV acronym has always baffled me...it should never come into play if you stick with ladies that you absoluetly want to see.  Guessing on a lady really does not seem a smart buy to me.  Flora stated it well in her reponse...the area where YMMV comes to play is where hobbyists just throw darts at a board and go get laid.  Why hold it against the lady and score her low because you like tall thin blondes in thier 20's and you saw a average build short lady with brunette hair in her late 30's?  Back channeling...the best way to pick a lady..I would caution you on that method.  My meaning...you will find one of two people that way just like in the reviews.  The ones that liked her and the ones that didn't, you will rarely get info from them that disputes thier side of the story.  I will share you my one attempt at backchanneling and my results.  It was a new lady as it usually is and I had two questions.  Where does she hold incall, is it a safe incall and relaxing to be in?  Is she an introvert or extrovert?  I thought these to be very simple questions and contact all four guys that had seen her.  2 had her at 9-10 and 2 at 7-8.  My respones to my questions from the two with high scores on her was everything is safe and she will take the lead or let you lead which every you want.  The responses from the other two were, it is an ok location and she is there to have fun.  The result: I went to see her, very unsafe incall she was busted 2 weeks later.  She was very shy and preferred to talk and cuddle with no interest in going any further until I requested and it hard for me to move things along.  All of the guys I spoke with had over 20 reviews.

Lastly: Ladies policing thier reviews.  The TER system only has a commitment to over inflated reviews and nothing to prevent purposeful bashing.  That being said, your statement is correct, some do have an easier time correcting problems.  That can be contributed by a great many things.  There are certain ways of handling certain situations and if the proper means are not used then things do not get done.  The fact that you get more accomplished with a positive attitude and not a negative one when contacting TER will also have a great impact.  Some people simply can not convey their thoughts in writing and that makes thing very frustrationg, those with a gift for writing can get things done more easily.

No you won't get banned for opinion or even moderated as long as it is not done in an attacking manner!  ;)


Excellent post PeacefulSoul: Apparently, I should have explained myself better in regard to some of issues discussed. I appreciate the disclaimer you made, as to not being sure of my intent. This thread is burnt, but I'd like to chat with you. You'll have mail soon.

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