Hello Everyone,
I just want to give you guy's some useful advice and recommendations.
1. FS: as you guy's call it should always be protected!
2. BBBJ: should not be an immediate option for anyone, there are many disease's that can be acquired from this type of activity, and treating such disease can be complicated, if they are not treated early. Herpes is common for many individuals over the age of 5, and can be transmitted through BBBJ.
Here are some of the diseases I have treated due to BBBJ's: Herpes (Cold Sore's and Throat Herpes),Oral Chlamydia,Candida(Thrush).
3. Kissing; Multiple Partners Can pose one of the more serious threats to one's health. Tuberculosis, Glandular Fever (Best Known as the "Kissing Disease") Hepatitis C (Common form of Viral Hepatitis).
4. DATY: You should use protection for this behavior I recommend plastic wrap. or cutting protective wear to cover. There are not many studies that show what can really be contracted during this practice, but this is science and it changes daily with new studies.
*In this post I will not discuss HIV much because most people are aware!!!!
Use Protection!!!!!!!
Lamb Skin is also available for those of you with sensation issues or allergies.
Dental Dam Can also be used.
You may wonder why I decided to come to this board. I just treated a local provider who has been diagnosed with a "couple" of these disease and she decided to tell me about this site where many people visit. One of my beliefs is to avoid judgment but to educate people.
Men:
I don't say avoid this Hobby, you just have to be very safe, because you never know where your partner has been in this hobby. Your own Health is not worth the fun or is it?
Provider's: You must be safe you have a lot of lives to contribute to and you providers see a number of people each year and according to statistics you have probably seen someone with HIV who may or may not Know it. You may have children and family and you don't want your lifestyle choices to affect them. When this profession is over you do not want a compromised immune system, please remember no amount of money is worth your health and safety.
I can contribute more or even answer questions. Please post inquires Here!
Sincerely,
DR. Sanders
Thanks, doc. How much will you charge if I come to your office for treatment after 30 plus years of hobbying.
I'm glad others see what's wrong with this post. It's not the safe sex talk that is the problem here.
No harm in informing us of our risks, but there is harm in spreading rumors. Said Dr. won't give his name, fine... Won't give clinic name or even what diseases this said provider had.
Reminds me of a "GET TESTED" post about cold sores I read a few months back on TBD. "Can't tell ya who or what, but believe me... you're all diseased. Email me for more info" What a joke!
If someone wants to be our authority on disease, the least they could do is prove they're an authority without spreading unsubstantiated rumors!
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Yep Misty, Plenty of others see what's wrong with the post. Great info for the first 2/3 of it, then the innuendo starts. Obvious the post isn't here for the legitimate reason of informing of risks and consequences. Just a bitter individual who's got nothing better to do obviously. So much time put into crafting their post, lining up their new aliases......
By the way, that other board has been so dead, why is that? 
With regards to this paragraph:
"You may wonder why I decided to come to this board. I just treated a local provider who has been diagnosed with a "couple" of these disease and she decided to tell me about this site where many people visit. One of my beliefs is to avoid judgment but to educate people."
I tried to look you up online, but there are no Dr Sanders listed on www.dexonline.com. This leads me to believe I don't search well or you are using an alias.
It would be very helpful if you could list the diseases she tested positive for and what clinic you work at.
I get tested regulary as I hope everyone who's active does, but this could be serious.
What she Has is not relevant to you Misty!
And I treated a local Provider from Minnesota, I never stated "I" was located In Minnesota, individuals can be treated outside of your state Misty. And to my knowledge Alias are the only type of name people go by on a board such as this. And I have no reason to reveal myself to you since you state you "get tested"(just a little confused as to why you need to know what clinic I work at). I have this internal feeling you are trying to start a mini board riot here because you may be offended by my statements or you have a sense of guilt for unsafe practices.
Misty This is not to be cruel to you, but I feel you can take my advice or leave it! I am simply attempting to inform those who want to be informed, I am not a participant of the hobby and quite frankly; I never knew such boards like this existed!
Questions for you, what is your real name, and can you post a copy of your results so clients can feel safe seeing you? That sounds a little silly but that is basically what you asked me!
And How will her diagnosis affect you if you are safe!
ALIAS
DR.Sanders
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"I never knew such boards like this existed! "
"I have this internal feeling you are trying to start a mini board riot here because you may be offended by my statements or you have a sense of guilt for unsafe practices. "
So... The "Doctor" just found out about escort review message boards - completely unfamiliar with them.
Misty's response leads to a response from the "Doctor" discussing starting a "board riot". Sounds like someone familiar with the boards.
Also, Misty only made a comment seemed at targeting the validity of the Doctor, so as all readers here can assume that this is a truthful remark made about std's in our midst. A simple response from a legitimate doctor, who posted on the boards out of concern for others, who isn't involved in the hobby, should have no issues posting their actual information. Seems like this person got rubbed wrong real fast - LEGITMACY ruined.
Remark made about Misty with unsafe practices - sounds like a provider trying to diss another provider about the types of practices performed.
If the "Doctor" is just performing his civic duty to inform people of the risks of certain practices, and isn't from MN, why not post on all cities boards, not just Twin Cities? Don't all hobbyists engage in the same risk activity?
Do we have another provider in our midst who continually, on occassion stirs the pot on this same issue?
Hmmm. Great topic of conversation ruined as an attempt to cause havoc. Some people just don't seem to have a life! Get one!
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I'm new to reading this board, but I think your comments to the doctor were a bit uncalled for. I ran the same information by my brother who is a doctor and he concurred with what Dr. Sanders posted. If you have a problem with what he's saying then I say don't waste your time on one doctor, rather send a letter to the medical schools and beyond that to the CDC because apparently none of them know what the hell they're talking about either. Why are people so threatened by this information? When it comes to your health, information trumps ignorance every time. This is all I have to say on the subject.
If you go back several years on both boards you will notice that misty is the first to post on anything she is feeling guilty about. Its a flaw of hers she has never noticed about herself or has ever corrected.
Oh c'mon bloomer. Let's put a name to all this. Scary posts with unsubstantiated allegations about providers having diseases.
I'd be the first to post a health risk if I knew about one and I'd substantiate it with a clinic to contact for further information.
I've seen too many attacks from providers to hurt others business. It's dirty and nasty. Dr (You're right I'm not from Minnesota and no I won't give detailed information) had me worried. Some diseases are quite infectious (with or without a condom)with different incubatin periods. I keep seeing all these names. Who the hell are you? LOL
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You said: "You may wonder why I decided to come to this board. I just treated a local provider who has been diagnosed with a "couple" of these disease and she decided to tell me about this site where many people visit. One of my beliefs is to avoid judgment but to educate people."
You just tested her. I thought you'd just referred all readers to get tested without giving pertinent information such as: referring clinic and diseases to be tested for. This is standard procedure when posting a PUBLIC HEALTH WARNING, correct?
If I was a Dr. at a clinic testing for STD's, I would have no problem stating my name and/or referring clinic.
If these guys don't know the dangers of personal contact in this industry, your post did some good and thank you. I'm pretty sure they did as I and continue to do.. educate ourselves like adults doing adult things. I know my risks, I certainly hope everyone else does. Statistics are found at the CDC site for those interested. I'm not advocating anything to anyone. I can't control what others do. I have my own opinions on what's safe to do and what's not safe to do.
see link to regularly tested provider at brothel for those who think brothels do everything covered.
I have to agree with Misty's observations. The remarks seem malformed. A cursory read would indicate a genuine health issue, but the focus is pretty specific to one activity. (BBJ, and all variants thereof.) I'll bet a buck that Misty has an inside track on this that we don't, as she is part of the provider side of this grand circle.
I did notice an error on DR Sanders behalf. What the provider in question "has" is relevant to Misty, and all hobbyist for that matter.
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Thank you so much for your post! For some reason the hobby has taken a turn for the worst - meaning unsafe acts. Does BBBJ feel better? - sure / does BBFS feel better? - sure, but I emplore the people in this hobby to remember that this is ONLY BUSINESS, NOT a real relationship and the risks are REAL! Even if the risks are low, is a DFK, BBBJ, DATY, etc... worth an STD and potentially your life? In my opinion NO! It's ALWAYS only going to happen to somebody else. Please leave DFK and BB anything for your wife, girlfriend, or significant other and don't place yourself or any of the providers at risk. If the market demands providers to be unsafe then it makes it very hard for providers who choose to be safe to make a living. Be safe (wrap it up) and have fun!
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About that last statement about the daughter, and or sister, didn't I hear Dr. Phil make that comment about the guy whose wife was cheating on him because he had an obsession about looking at the pornos?
Stay safe! Get educated!
I am writing under an alias. I am doing this because I want to protect my privacy-please-don't ask me to reveal my name. I can say that I am a known provider. About six months ago, I had seen a gentleman, that I had seen before. After our visit(a couple days), I started experiences weird things with my mouth. I went to my dr. and I found out that I had "pretty much" a yeast infection in my mouth from bbbj. I had that as well as a yeast infection (well, you can guess that part) NO! we did not fs uncovered, we did deep kiss though.DATY as well..The only reason I know I got this from this gentleman is because I just started doing bbbj with him and I always covered before hand. I have not seen him since and I will not tell you his name either(for privacy.) I did make him aware though. Which I thought was fair to him.I am not writing this to start anything with anyone. I am writing to just make everyone aware of what can happen.(referring to what happened to me.)I can't comment on anything else because I haven't experienced it, but I can believe some of that stuff that that"Dr.Sanders" is saying. Please be safe. I get scared thinking that something bad could happen to someone in this community. It's suppose to be fun-Right??
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RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! THE MARTIANS ARE CUMMING!!!!
I have many thoughts on this subject soo here goes some of them --
I have NEVER nor will I EVER offer bbbj's.
-- I came into this industry many years ago and when I was allowed into the place to work (after scrupilous testing)) we were given the rules--the # 1 rule was --NEVER EVER DO ANYTHING UNCOVERED--KEEP THE COVER ON!!
SOO in the years that I have been in and out of the biz--I have ALWAYS practiced that rule!! Believe me --it works--!!
When I returned to the twin cities to work after leaving dancing and the ranches in 2000 --I heard about the internet way of escorting --I was all for it--soo i checked into it--I was very excited and happy about it--
The only thing that I could NOT BELIEVE was that guys were expecting and ladies were offering bbbj's !!??
I was shocked and couldnt even believe it. I had never in my many years of escorting heard of such a thing!!
I think what happened is that a lot of new, less experienced providers got into escorting on the web and felt pressured into bbbj's by the hobbiests and also by the certain point systems that give better scores for doing bare-- .
I dont agree with any of those systems that offer higher scores for a girl doing bare. --But hey I cant change the world!
I wish that providers would realize that they dont HAVE to offer that in order to maintain great scores and great clientele.
I think that as a community we have responsibilities to each other to play and stay safe!!- After all, we all share the same play pen!!
Strap on your little golashes and go have some safe clean fun !!! Have a great day --those are TUZDAE"S thoughts!!
XXOO TUZDAE!
Yes- I have been in the business for many years now and when I heard about bbbj, I was very disgusted. Like I said I have only done a few bbbj and that was only by request of the hobbyist. I however are not going to be doing them anymore. Considering on what happened to me. I guess I felt pressured in the first place to even start. I have learned from my mistakes though. I am glad a lot worse did not happen to me.
PLEASE don't take this wrong. Yeast is naturally present in our bodies. Medications or tight fitting clothing are usually what create an imbalance.
yes I agree. But....whatever was on him I got in my mouth and...
he probably had something on him or in his mouth. I am just relaying what my DR. told me on how I probably got it. My Dr. said I pretty much had a yeast infection. Stating that bacteria was present in my mouth and...jeez,if it didn't come from this hobbyist,how come I haven't had it since?I am not trying to start anything I am just stating the FACTS that happened with me.
Just was curious Kippie. I've been told we have yeast present at all times. Did he recommend anything to avoid it?
I used to get yeast infections all the time in HS and college.
The Dr told me my tight geans were the culprit and to wear cotton undies LOL They say you can on occasion get a yeast infection from someone else. I just don't understand if we always have yeast in our bodies, at what point is it infectious.
I'll ask my Dr.
What did the guy say when you told him he gave you something, just curious.
Thanks
the guy said the typical highschool and and college quote-lol-"it wasn't me" I was like "sure",and I told him I was telling him for his safety and I left it at that.I notice he doesn't post at all on the board anymore. It probably was a wake up call for him. Pleas do ask your dr. I am curious about what happened to me. At the time at my Dr., I was real embarrased and I didn't really feel like getting technical with him(as far as how often does this happen through oral contact)I just discussed on how I happen to get it bbbj,deep kissing,oral,etc,etc Thank you
Yeast Infection Causes
In women, yeast infections are the second most common reason for vaginal burning, itching, and discharge. Yeasts are found in the vagina of most women and can overgrow if the environment in the vagina changes. Antibiotic and steroid use is the most common reason for yeast overgrowth. But pregnancy, menstruation, sperm, diabetes, and birth control pills also can contribute to getting a yeast infection. Yeast infections are more common after menopause.
In people who have a weakened immune system because of cancer treatments, steroids, or diseases such as AIDS, candidal infections can occur throughout the entire body and can be life-threatening. The blood, brain, eye, kidney, and heart are most frequently affected, but the candidal fungus also can grow in the lungs, liver, and spleen. Candida is the leading cause of esophagitis (inflammation in the throat) in people with AIDS.
Almost 15% of people with weakened immune systems develop a systemic illness caused by Candida. These infections enter into the bloodstream through breakdowns or cuts in the skin or mucous membranes. Candidal organisms may build up in an area because of frequent use of strong antibiotics, which kill the bacteria that normally keep it under control.
Use of devices implanted in the skin such as urinary catheters and IV ports also provide access for the yeast to enter the body. IV drug addicts using dirty needles may inject the yeast directly into their bloodstream or deep tissues.
I haven't seen the show so I'm not sure about that, but I DON'T want to be stealing thoughts from the doc so the last statement is gone. As you say, stay safe and get educated!
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