Hilarious hobby I used to have of trying to convert legit massage girls at places like spas, sports clubs etc.
Approach I found best was out of the blue, no warm up. Like 1 k to fuck right now. Worked 20 pcnt of the time.
Most others took it as a joke or let me off pretending it was a joke. Or 500 K for bj when they are close to that area.
Worked also about 20 pcnt of the time. Lack of build up was key as they fend that off every day and its also kinda boring and tacky to work that while getting a legit massage. Anyone else into this ?
but then again I never used such a direct approach.
I prefer to try and get eye contact, and then a smile, and then ask about extras.
They have always shook their head no.
I only once had luck with a gal who admitted that she used to do extras, but didn't anymore on account of LE activity in the area. I didn't press the issue but about 5 minutes later she said" What did you have in mind? I put up two fingers and she said, let's get into the bedroom. I think the fact that I didn't press her convinced her that I was not LE.
During the TER drought of KGirls, I visited some AMPs. Had about a 20% conversion rate to FS. One was a very very hot 30-something KGirl. Another was a 20-23 thai chubbette with spectacular boobs. Finally, a thai 35 year old with a hot body and the tightest pussy I have ever seen.
But ya gotta be persistent. I went back several times when I thought there was a possibility of full conversion. The chubbette was so cute and horney that when I finally, after 4 visits, got my finger in her pussy, she practically pushed my cock into her to fuck her.
But like I said, it was an overall 20% success rate, I would say. The cutest Thai 20-something girl would NEVER suck or fuck, but gave a helluva hand job, so it was ok, even without conversion....
I stick with the tried and true extras AMP girls that give it up willingly and aggressively!
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A few massage therapists I got to know pretty well told me “horror stories” of guys who would try for more than a massage. They didn’t appreciate it, to put it lightly. So I never overtly try to get more than a massage unless I have reliable intel that it’s on the menu. There’s subtle ways to let her know that if she’d like to massage everything, I’m up for it.
If thats what your really looking for then why no just book a legit FBSM? There are a number of quality ladies that specialize in the Tantric Art of Sensual Massage.
Oh, I know.. its the challenge. Well, legit massage therapists really hate this. They go though many hours and hundreds of dollars in continuing ed and fees to keep a license. So Yeah, Its not a good idea. Best to stay in your lane and give some respect to those hard working therapists out there. If your therapist is in the grey area on the issue SHE will let YOU know somehow... Im certain.
I think you misunderstood my post. When I want more than a massage, I book someone who is known to offer it. And I see massage THERAPISTS (I used that term intentionally in my post) when I want a really good massage, and only that.
And I agree, and I said in my post... legit massage therapists really hate this.
Here in ATL the pickings are pretty slim. We used to have a number of wonderful ladies that gave a great massage with a nice ending. They all seem to have disappeared. Plenty of ladies are around that can give a good handjob, but no real massages.
When I go to a legit provider I really want a quality massage and a good masseuse is hard to keep. That said I had luck twice. An ex was going to a lady who did massages as well as facials. After two legit massage visits went for a facial and massage. Was not told not to shave – wow the BRUN! Moved to the massage and maybe she felt bad and got a nice HJ. Kept seeing her for over two years and std was massage and HJ (with a nice tip). The first visit after my ex and I broke up, she went all the way. We ended up dating for a bit after the second all in visit. Few years later at a legit place kept seeing the same woman as she was good. We talked and joked all the time. One time while on my back looked at her and smiled and gently rub her leg then her butt. She reached under the towel for HJ. A few visits later she went to BJ. Nothing more.
i have been to a wide range of spas .. and its usually pretty obvious by the atmosphere .. a true pro massage place is not going to risk their license nor are they interested in extras.
the shadier / Asian places in most cases the girl is going to bring it up anyway. so its don't ask don't do .. if the girl doesn't bring it up .. or she doesn't start exploring with her hand .. just chill and enjoy what is available.
the only times i got extras the girl made it obvious ..everything from $40 for happy ending to $150 for CFS ... oh so one time . i am in an Asian parlor .. my father in law in the adjacent room .. my girl gets frisky .. i have to tell her NO ! ... yeah just what i needed for him to hear anyway LOL
the pro girls in the casino spas get really pissed when guys ask. most have a 3 strike rule .. guy asks once .. kinds say no .. second time .. explains wrong place ... third time .. girl walks out.
Yes, this is a fantasy----going to a legitimate massage place...and the attractive masseuse accidentily brushes the boys -- offers HJ....and then enjoys my aroused state that she is horny and wants FS. 
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I do enjoy a great massage....and even when extras may be on menu, I have waited for them like at an AMP to make an offer first---so I don't offend or insult them. If anyone can recommend seriously spa quality massage and is open to BBBJ, into kiss with tongue, Dine at Y, and covered FS-----ooohhh, please let me know!
There is a place in Boston area, very friendly staff mostly from one of the Asian countries, and also excellent massage from any one of staff.....no sheets on the nicely appointed and clean treatment rooms, just a medium sized towel to cover...and signs requesting respect for their profession.....and all the young ladies are attractive, yet nothing extracurricular has happened.....wonder if ever possible....if they were soon to buy sheets like a spa would have my questioning would stop......yet......who knows?
Maybe years of seeing her weekly or more.
This was the case with me and a few such gals. These gals actually did happy endings, but nothing more.
Nevertheless, after some time we became friendly and chatty, and the conversation veered into the nether world we live in. One told me that she would never engage in such activity.......here. Which, of course opened up the question of....where?
At a motel, of course, where we ended up and still do to this day, and she is by far the best lay I ever had.
Good things come to those who wait.
I've some recent success and yes it took a fair amount of time. Where I live most shops are legit but it is only a short drive to shops that aren't. I found one lady 5 minutes from my house that I found to be be very sexy, but absolutely no extras as well as all the other shops in my immediate area. So I just started going once or twice a week and I tipped stupid amounts of money.
After one session she asked me to put my number in her phone. She would text sometimes asking me when I was coming next. I never asked for extras but started using some of my time talking to her through an app. She would show me pictures of her family and of dishes she used to make back home. After several months I asked if I could see her breasts and she shyly took off her bra. She didn't want me looking at them and kept covering them up if my hand or mouth was not on it.
She starting kissing me and then grabbed my hand and shoved it down her pants. Damn she was wet. Sessions kept getting better and better after that; hardly ever get a massage anymore. Recently she told me every time we see each other the relationship will increase a lot!
Unfortunately 2 weeks ago she told me they are closed for 2 weeks and she went to New York to visit family. She says she is coming back but my guess with how bad it is up there it will be a while if at all.
So yea be a nice guy give them a shit load of money and have some patience it could work out for you.
It would be interesting to compare what it cost you over those several months seeing this massage therapist once or twice a week and tipping her “stupid amounts” to seeing an escort say, once a week over that same time period. But it’s your money. It just seems to me like a lot of effort to get to your goal.
I’ve formed two close platonic relationships with massage therapists over the years. They’re great at massage and are good friends. I’ve had dinner at their homes and met their SOs and kids, and they’ve been to my home. I treasure my relationships with them.
But when I want hot sex, I get all I want from escorts, from Day 1. I guess I don’t have as much patience as you have.
That is a good point and I do enjoy the company of escorts that I like. However the connivence of having someone just a few minutes away and generally available is something I really enjoy. But I think the time it took to convert her and my now very GFE sessions with her was worth it. I haven't had the see you at your place or mine as she speaks no English but I do cherish the time we spend together and its not always sex.
I like the closeness that I think we share. And she sincerely acts like she enjoys her time with me. Enjoy the fantasy.
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There is something ever so satisfying about converting a gal, and in a way, the longer and more effort, the more satisfying it is. I guess it's part of the thrill of the chase type of a thing.
I am in the San Francisco area. I started AMPs some 10 yeara ago. I was just looking for a HJ, CBJ and Happy Beginning. I lay the tip and a condom on the table as I had done a time before. I started by lying on my back and she began to play and put the cover on. After a short CBJ, she pulled her skirt up and hopped on top for CG, which I was totally not expecting. I had no idea that FS was even on the menu at an AMP.
Well now I discovered several AMPS that also provided FS. My favorite position was having her bend over the table and I come in from the rear. She squeezes her legs together, and it gets tight.
Then I discovered escorts - AAMPs. And the real fun began. The massage costs $60 for the house and $120 for FS. It was good, but we were done in 10-15 minutes, and then she put her clothes back on. Always worried about someone coming in or hearing us and always CBJ. The escorts are $220 for an full hour of naked sex and fun (and BBBJ, then CFS) , with no concerns about anyone disturbing us. The massage parlors are mostly just walk in when horny. The escorts require a prior reservation at least several hours in advance.
Happy Ed, I'm glad I read your method of placing the tip and the condom right on the table at the beginning; once the AMP market reopens in my area (closed due to COVID), I may employ it.
I've been going to AMPs here for almost a decade, and my primary purpose is usually the 100% legit massage. If course, the urge for full service tugs at me (a hand job doesn't really do much for me), I just never had the courage to initiate. I don't want to assume she'll be into a little extra and find out the hard way I've insulted her or angered her. Beyond that, I never want to get blacklisted nor arrested, either.
On her own, after I had frequent visits and one particular favorite therapist, she motioned to me to see if I wanted a handy. The first few times I always turned it down, so after that she would motion sometimes, other times she would not. One day while on my back, I rubbed my hard dick, looked her in the eye, motioned the handjob and nodded to her. She did it (very mechanical, great technique but zero emotion or passion). The release was great, but masturbation bores me. I tipped her well for what she did. Two or three more visits she repeated it, not each time I went there, just a couple.
Would you believe that my idea of a "subtle" approach for more than handies was to place a wrapped condom between my buttcheeks and cover my otherwise naked body with the towel or sheet that they give us at the start of the massage? By the time she finishes with my shoulders and back, she reaches under the towel or lifts the towel to do my butt and finds it there. No words are spoken, no one has to worry about a verbal proposition, no LE entanglement. I hadn't considered put the money right with it, but reading your m.o. certainly seems like the way to go.
Anyone who reads this, what are your thoughts, input? Thanks.
I think a wrapped condom bw the butt cheeks is gross. If you are going to put a condom out there, do it with the money on the shelf.
10-15 years ago I started going to the Asian spas in my area with no expectation of happy ending! Sometimes I would get pleasantly surprised, other times I’d get a pretty good massage for $40-60! Then I graduated to only returning to the locations where girls gave happy endings. At those places the girls usually started the session asking, “You come here before?” Yes mamasan! Then I graduated to finding places where the girls were reviewed and I knew in advance exactly what services were available! I found one particularly hot Eastern European girl who became an ATF for awhile until she got married and disappeared during COVID. Now I only go to see specific hot girls, who will give a bbbj at a minimum! There’s nothing like a good massage, followed by a bbbj on the flip!
If it’s an upscale spa, they probably wouldn’t offer extras but if you go to the others you’ll mostly likely be able to persuade the ladies there haha