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Tipping is always appreciated, but never required
TheHitch 4176 reads
posted
1 / 35

Guys and Ladies,

Can someone please clue me in to tipping (sorry if this belongs in newbie, but I'm not a newbie). CDL says he tips every time. I don't - I've tipped a few times for truly awesome service. However, I ALWAYS tip at a restaurant, hotel, taxi, etc. Am I out of line? I kinda assume these services are "all inclusive". However, I'm certainly willing to adjust my behavior to match social mores and I obviously want to avoid looking cheap in front of potential ATF's. And for those of you that say "A tip is always expected" please provide a % for reference.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 353 reads
posted
3 / 35

I was raised that you always tip for services of a "personal nature."  I tip my barber, shoe shiner, masseur/masseuse, taxi driver, concierge, tailor, dressing room valets at the golf club, parking lot valets, food servers, bartenders, doormen, dry cleaner, etc.  What could be more "personal" than getting naked and having sex with a provider.  How can I not tip a provider?  

With that said, if the service was not that good, I simply will not repeat, but I will still tip on my way out.  With providers, as an added bonus, a tip will almost always assure you of a good reference to another provider.  

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 285 reads
posted
4 / 35

...not expected."  It's been also said that the best tip you can give is to show up clean, be on time and leave on time.  If you really want to give her a good tip, give her some repeat visits.

I'll also disagree with CDL.  It's fine to tip the service people he listed, but they don't earn the hourly rate of providers.  When was the last time anyone tipped their lawyer or doctor?  And no provider can ream you like a lawyer or give a prostate exam like a doctor.

You can also do what I do - when I see a provider who's having a $100. off special, I usually give them the $100. as a tip.

ShillBill 248 reads
posted
5 / 35

I rarely tip, it's  when I see a new provider whose rate is way below what she should be chargeing and who has knocked my socks off with a great session. And guys don't worry, I don't tell her to raise her rates.  
I will bring a gift, once in awhile that I see on a providers web site gift list.  

As has been mentioned show up on time, spic & span clean, with the correct donation, be respectful, and leave on time and you'll be fine.
Posted By: TheHitch
Guys and Ladies,  
   
 Can someone please clue me in to tipping (sorry if this belongs in newbie, but I'm not a newbie). CDL says he tips every time. I don't - I've tipped a few times for truly awesome service. However, I ALWAYS tip at a restaurant, hotel, taxi, etc. Am I out of line? I kinda assume these services are "all inclusive". However, I'm certainly willing to adjust my behavior to match social mores and I obviously want to avoid looking cheap in front of potential ATF's. And for those of you that say "A tip is always expected" please provide a % for reference.

HelpAGuyOut 275 reads
posted
6 / 35

That's very funny and true.  You don't tip a doctor or lawyer.  The reason for tipping is that the people listed are getting minimum wage or below for bartenders.   That being said, I have paid more when their rate is lower than it should be and I pay the full freight and not "special rates" as well.  

velvetsinner 8 Reviews 209 reads
posted
7 / 35

I always give at least something extra, whether it's a tip or gift card or both.  This topic has been discussed before and tipping does not seem to be the expected norm, like in bars or restaurants.  Still, I tip for almost all transactions, so do it for my providers as well.

bond007 31 Reviews 280 reads
posted
8 / 35

In my years in this biz (20 or so), the one constant I always hear.  Tipping is nice, but repeat business is better.  Thats the best tip that you can provide (per the ladies).

I have never tipped anyone in this biz.  However, I have seen may ladies 10 times or more.   And believe me, thats much more appreciated.  

The reason why we tip bartenders, servers, etc. is that their wage is kept low because of the tips they receive.  We may give a higher tip (or a lower tip) depending on the service.

My two centavos

carlhungus 53 Reviews 322 reads
posted
9 / 35

I agree with all of what Bond said.  I do not tip providers.  I repeat.  

Providers aren't making a low hourly wage, so I don't see the need to tip.

Occasionally, I have brought gifts, from very small to something more notable, but it's rare for me to do so.

There's nothing wrong with tipping in this hobby, but no one should feel compelled to do so.  

mufftime 270 Reviews 250 reads
posted
10 / 35

Tipping is for those  in service areas who don't make a lot of money and
depend on tips for their livelihood. Waiters, barbers, delivery men, etc.
For services where the provider of those services makes as much or
even more than their customers tips aren't required or even expected.
Do we tip our doctors, dentists, lawyers for services rendered?  
Those making a good living do not require or expect tips. What should  
you do, give a 20 to someone who has made at least 150 or more for the
last hour? I have never tipped and have always gotten the best service that
I could possibly have gotten. Over and above the norm based on reviews that
I've read. In addition they welcome me back again and again.

tankbinding 16 Reviews 272 reads
posted
11 / 35

and in that case I just give her all my money...

I always bring clothes - because I am in that business and I love the fashion shows. Sometimes it's a substantial amount worth of clothing... When I connect with a girl that loves books or antiques I bring those too...

If any of you have been over to Victoria Baker's crib and noticed all the killer one of a kind stuff there - 90% of it came from me...

To each his own - I don't think it's a big deal :))

TheHitch 282 reads
posted
12 / 35

Ok, you really tip your dry cleaner?? That's awesome or crazy...not sure which; I digress. What do you normally tip? I usually see providers in the 400-600 range. Percentage? Flat fee? Inquiring minds want to know.

TheHitch 278 reads
posted
13 / 35

You're awesome. Your last paragraph is what I always imagine (and hope) a provider is thinking. Of course I was doubtful, thus the post. I hope you represent the majority!

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 282 reads
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14 / 35
OingeBoinge 164 Reviews 319 reads
posted
15 / 35

The only time I tip is if the lady really went out of her way to see me.  It's not exactly like the rates we pay are minimum wage rates.  So I assume tip is included.  However, I have been known to toss in an extra $80 if it was clear the lady put in a lot of effort to see me.  Also, a favorite of mine drives all the way to my area just to see me.  So I often "tip" her what the room she got cost because I know she is making the drive just to see me.  

meganriley See my TER Reviews 345 reads
posted
16 / 35

We ladies are offering a service. If you had a good time, and she went above and beyond the call of duty, kept a smile on her face and made sure you left with a smile on yours, what's wrong with a little extra thank you? She will be sure to remember you warmly next time you call and might even rearrange her day to accommodate your schedule. A little extra kindness goes a long way.  

Kisses
Megan

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 330 reads
posted
17 / 35

I have never done a half hour session in my life.  If you really did follow my posting over the years, you would know that I see a girl for an hour the first time, and all repeats are for two hours.  My tipping is more generous than you might imagine.  That's why I get a lot of OTC time.  I won't say whether you have seen me or not.  No one can connect CDL to my real ID, but the indies I see all wanted to see me again, even one who reported CDL to TER for some posts I did, and would have a cow if she knew she had been impaled by CDL, so evidently, I'm doing a few things right.  I never use my handle to make appointments, and I don't review indies, lest they connect the dots and discover my real identity.  You'd be surprised at some the indie ladies I've seen.  Lol

Some of the Kgirls I see NET $40,000+ a month.  That's hardly "minimum wage." Granted, its because they are high-volume, but they are young, have a good work ethic, and know how to work guys into being regulars through a combination of service and flirty personality.    The high-volume doesn't bother me as long as I'm the only guy in the room during the time I booked, and she gave me 100% effort.  If not, I don't repeat, but I still tip.

micktoz 41 Reviews 268 reads
posted
18 / 35

That's a tip my father gave me. Yes, I've posted that before.

I see a couple of ladies in a very competitive market. My ATF there charges less than the other ladies I see and I make that up to her with a tip.  
I also do some duos with ladies that have different rates. I make sure that they both get the same rate, so I guess one is getting a tip.  

Aside from those situations, like was said before, I tend to repeat with the ladies I really enjoy and they seem to be happy with that.

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 311 reads
posted
19 / 35

...They are here for three months so they have to make as much as they can in that time.  It doesn't apply to all K-girls.

"On any given day, these girls can see 11 or 12 guys in their 13 hour day."

http://theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=275559&boardID=1&page=#275559

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 300 reads
posted
20 / 35

Of $40k have their own incall and only pay a $25 booker fee for screening and scheduling, so there is no "split". They are independent like you. The 90-day import girls have the split, so they make $20-$25k monthly uncluding yips. Still not minimum wage. I've had several over the years as outside RL girlfriends, so there is nothing I don't know about how their business model works.  Tips make up about 20% of their income, and used to be rare as BigP says, but there has been a shift in the last year. Most new guys coming into the hobby now are tippers.

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DBJHunter 316 reads
posted
21 / 35

I usually reimburse them for the room.

romanticbello 43 Reviews 222 reads
posted
22 / 35

50.00 in one and 100.00 in the other.  Most I saw got 100.00
On repeat visits I would put the tip in the donation because I knew the level of service I was going to receive.

mufftime 270 Reviews 304 reads
posted
25 / 35

Just think if every client reimbursed them for the  room
they would have a second profitable  business on the side.
Hotel rental service.
That goes back to my original point. Maybe we should pay  
a portion  of our Doctor's rent. Kind of like paying for a hotel
room as a tip. Like any business it's their cost of doing business
and that room is actually somewhere in the donation. It always is.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 297 reads
posted
26 / 35

I never met a provider that makes as much as a doctor.  Doctor's upsell all the time.  They add a bunch of stuff to the bill that is itemized.  The insurance company pays, and not us.  I recently had one put a thing like a digital clothes pin on my finger to measure blood oxygen.  It took 30 seconds, the device can probably be used with a thousand different patients, and they bill $15.  If a provider upsells, the customer gets pissed. Most of the guys, including me, complain when a Russian girl wants to add $25 for a BBBJ, so I don't think we can compare providers to doctors.  Doctors have a license to steal.  Providers don't.  When you give you a good menu and good service, why not show your appreciation that they didn't try to upsell you?

OTOH, I know a couple of showroom maître d's in Vegas that make as much as doctors (over $500K a year), and 95% of their income is from tips.  Personal service is "personal" service.  Doctors and lawyers are "professional" services.  If you don't tip your maître d', you wind up sitting in the cloak room.  

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 241 reads
posted
27 / 35

is another way to tip.  It turns into cash if she can book another customer after you and the room is already paid for.  It means she has no overhead cost for the room on the second and/or subsequent appointment.  You're the one that made that possible, and she will remember that the next time.  A show of generosity leads to a lot a reciprocity in his business.  The most valuable perk I get from being a tipper is scheduling priority.  If I wasn't able to get the appointment times I want, I would not be able to hobby as much as I do.  

DBJHunter 270 reads
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28 / 35

In my experience, a lot of times if you give once, then you'll receive twice in return as you deserve.

icedog42 29 Reviews 313 reads
posted
29 / 35

I am a good cook so many times I bring food.  Many times providers don't have time to eat so I help out.  I love the look on their face when I show them.  Sometimes I make a dish thay can be enjoyed as part of the "warm-up" before the sex (think shrimp!).  There was one provider that I saw that would keep the 6-9pm slot open for me when I booked.  We'd cook together, enjoy wine, chat, and then had fun.  

GaGambler 278 reads
posted
30 / 35

and the same can be said for CDL,  

As BPS alluded to, these girls come over for relatively short periods of time and work their fucking asses off hoping to make enough to set themselves up with either a home or business when they get back to their own country.

Not to mention some women just have a higher sex drive than others. I dated an active Thai provider for quite some time and she would complain when she had a "slow day" of only four or five appointments, not only that, but she ALWAYS had plenty of "gas in the tank" for me and I can not remember even a single time when she refused me sex because she was "too tired" and we spent about 6 nights a week together.  

Just because you can't do it, don't say other women can't. It's a LOT more common than you think.

mufftime 270 Reviews 248 reads
posted
31 / 35

I wasn't saying that they make as much as a doctor. What I was saying is
that they are in  a good income bracket and don't depend on tips as do
waiters, delivery boys, etc. That being said there are some lawyers who
do not make much money. Should we tip them? They would look at you  
as if you're crazy. I'm from N.Y. where we tipped just about everyone but
never someone who is making close to or more than six figures.  So let's
not compare actual salaries. Some are higher (doctors) and some are
lower (lawyers) and it's not for the category of service either. It has to do
with need for tips and those working for them to make ends meet. Providers
have that same license to steal. If you want to pay extra for BBBJ which is not
a tip, but is a quote for service, then you do it. If you don't want the extra test
that a doctor recommends you can choose not to take that too. The word TIP  
comes from To Insure Promptness.  When you're making that kind of money
it becomes moot.  
You actually make my point with the Maitre d' example. They
work for quite a low wage and need the tips that they get to survive. Yes their tips
may be quite lucrative but  It's a matter of need and not the kind of service they provide.

Posted By: coeur-de-lion
Re: You know I disagree with you on this one . . . .
I never met a provider that makes as much as a doctor.  Doctor's upsell all the time.  They add a bunch of stuff to the bill that is itemized.  The insurance company pays, and not us.  I recently had one put a thing like a digital clothes pin on my finger to measure blood oxygen.  It took 30 seconds, the device can probably be used with a thousand different patients, and they bill $15.  If a provider upsells, the customer gets pissed. Most of the guys, including me, complain when a Russian girl wants to add $25 for a BBBJ, so I don't think we can compare providers to doctors.  Doctors have a license to steal.  Providers don't.  When you give you a good menu and good service, why not show your appreciation that they didn't try to upsell you?  
   
 OTOH, I know a couple of showroom maître d's in Vegas that make as much as doctors (over $500K a year), and 95% of their income is from tips.  Personal service is "personal" service.  Doctors and lawyers are "professional" services.  If you don't tip your maître d', you wind up sitting in the cloak room.  

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 293 reads
posted
32 / 35

You seem to tip based on need, whereas I tip as a reward for good service and to encourage good service in the future.  If I was going to tip based on "need" then I would have to tip the homeless guy who wants to wash my windows when I'm at a stop light.  I would rather not encourage them to come anywhere near me or my car, so I would not tip even though he probably needs it more than anyone else.    

The modern origins of tipping was on transatlantic ships where your cabin and dining room stewards would give you an envelope that had "TIPS" written on it, and you would put your money in the envelope.  It stands for:

To
Insure
Proper  
Service

So for me, tipping is about service, not need, but you, of course, have every right to  see it differently.  This practice is still alive, particularly on European-based cruise lines.  

A lot of the new younger guys that are joining the Kgirl hobby scene are tippers, and the feedback I get from the girls is that they like it.  Who wouldn't?  Lol

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 179 reads
posted
33 / 35

never been to the space station doesn't mean no one else has, so you should not be so closed-minded on things you know nothing about.  Even in the civvie world, I had a Korean girl friend that worked as a fashion designer nine hours a day, six days a week for a Korean company.  Its the work ethic and culture they grow up in.  Most people who work in Korea only get Sundays off and work more than the typical 7-8 hour days Americans work.  

You're making yourself look like the ugly American here because you can't accept cultural differences that are at odds from the way you live and work.  

Although I personally know some girls that have seen 13 customers in a day, but not every day of course, a full day is considered to be 9-10 customers.  A slow day is 6-7.  Most American providers can't even comprehend a work schedule like that.  They take hormone shots that suspend their periods for 90 days so they don't lose that time monthly.  They will take a week or two off every three months and spend the first three or four days sleeping.  They are a truly amazing culture.  

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 202 reads
posted
34 / 35

the 90 day wonders are splitting the fee with the agency/org, so they make less, but the girls making close to $40K are independent and ONLY pay the booker fee, usually $25.  They work out of their own place and have a 90-day girl bringing in $9-10,000 a month as their roommate in the other bedroom.  Put the roommate income with their own, then deduct the apartment rent, and they get at or near $40K with no problem.  I agree they don't get the $40k just from their own fucking.  They run a two-girl business.  That's how they get there.  "Doing the math" only works if you have ALL the information and know what you're talking about.  Its nice you have a 90-day wonder friend, but they are the ones working for someone else, not owning their own place.  You need to be independent and have another girl working for you to make the big money.  Even if your friend was only a 90-day wonder, she wasn't very good if she only netted $40,000 for 90 days.  Most girls make at least $60,000 for 90 days.

MissFelicityFox See my TER Reviews 262 reads
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35 / 35

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