Wasn’t there a saying that went something like this?
First they came for the street walkers, and no one said anything
Then they came for the agencies, and no one said anything
Then they shut down the massage parlors and no one said anything
Then they came for the hobbiests and no one said anything
Finally they stopped porn and there was no more sexual freedom left.
Well... you get my point. Seems like a shitty trend over the past decade.
Here's the wiki on it.
The point isn't schadenfreude, which is finding pleasure in another's suffering, but coming together to fight the loss of liberty to one, so as to ensure your own liberty.
It is a point very well taken.
Yes. I figured you would understand brother.
Unfortunately most people don’t read the legal side of forums. And those of us who know what’s going on are mostly not willing to expose themselves publicly to fight back. Admittedly I am not willing, nor qualified (aside from paltry financial help and lending a voice) to make the sacrifices needed to help win our freedom.
But I educate people who see things like “the biggest trafficking bust, keeping society safer, etc...” and explain the government just busted a bunch stupid johns soliciting undercover cops and these johns were not participating in HT every opportunity I get.
I disagree that those busted are just stupid johns soliciting undercover cops. The same pretend victim and fake human trafficking stings are going on all over the U.S. Just in the last week those stupid johns have included a chief of police from a small city in the midwest, various city officials, and at least two Church ministers.
In Tucson, the case is winding down with Tucson police officers and city officials being caught in their sting from about a year ago. As I recall all but one pleaded guilty (about a dozen or so).
LE is well trained to appear legitimate and all types of business folks, city officials, even police officers are the "stupid johns soliciting undercover cops." In Phoenix I have been contacted by two men caught up in the latest sting that busted 86 - they are smart professionals (medical and engineering) that I referred to an attorney that is industry-friendly and many have used.
I disagree most medical professionals are not smart. Engineers are generally smart but fail to follow known security protocols and if they did they would not be arrested.
People are not asking for topless pics and taking provider to a secure third location and discussing sex for money before thorough vetting. Why can't people understand that is wrong and they need to tighten up protocol?
Also noticed on the news the most serious serial killer in Maricopa County arrested during the hobby stings. Many murders still unsolved by the suspect, and one week he killed 7 people. The government is not here to protect us, we are on our own and most cases the government is making it more dangerous for common people to live safely by generally disarming the population except for felons who simply ignore the prohibited possessor laws anyway. So clearly the resources should be used against murders and violent crimes instead of hobbyists.
thx for sharing Dave, but I don’t understand how the 86 got busted for solicitation? I’ve been around for over two decades and never “heard” of offering money straight up for any type of sexual act. This MP in question was closed down for a while, the re opened up. So there were 86 guys who went in, 1) not knowing the place was shut down? And 2) talking so freely with women they never met before? How is that not stupid?
I recall seeing a “porn movie” where a girl showed her sweetness and allowed a guy to touch it, while she stroked him before any “serious talking” occurred.
Do you think any of these “smart” 86 did anything like that?
Seriously, I don’t mean to belittle their plight, but short of not even going there, couldn’t they have been smarter about how they talked with these women they didn’t know?
Can the undercover women bust you for just taking your clothes off before a massage these days?
Rodgerdaily - Good questions.
Most guys have no clue the legal issues, they aren't on boards hearing about the stings etc. They freely ask about getting bbbj or a happy ending in a massage. Ask any companion and what guys say in texts, e-mails or phone calls.
For example, female cop asks guy
What would you like today? - mentions a happy ending, hand job or more - easy bust
Do you want to use a condom? - guy says either yes or no - easy bust.
Lots of other ways to ask that LE is very successful using.
Even easier to bust companions if they are not very careful. In Scottsdale companion convicted at jury trial based solely on GFE on her ad or website.
The fee arrangement comes when LE says great that will be $100, and the guy hands her the money. Or, has already agreed to the fee offered in ad/text/phone so the fee arrangement is already done, now the female cop just needs to have it related to sex - often done by what he said in text/phone/e-mail so easy arrest when he arrives for an appointment.
Yes, you would not believe the numerous explicit emails sent as requests. Think..... ! !
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