I was surprised to read that sex in Germany is legal. Over 500 clubs for men are located in or around middle Germany. I'll be attending a group trip in September with fkktours.com who do all the ground logistics. For about $1700 they'll pick me up from the airport, provide all my transportation to and from 2 clubs a day. Hotel for 9 nights. I just sit back and enjoy myself with no worry about LE. Entertainment costs are fair, about 50 Euros for all day entry to a club, this also includes all you can eat and drink and use of the facilities. Some clubs have over 100 totally naked women lounging around waiting. Pools, jacuzzi, massage, out door bbq. It's heaven on earth, Oh yes and 50 Euros for the first 30 min and 25 Euros for each 30 minutes after. Famous for young attractive model types from all over the world, Asian, European, Latin all under one roof. They have a two for 1 deal going and I'm looking for a partner to go.
Not sure what area you will be in or if the tour group has a negotiated rate for the entrance fees but depending on the club the entrance fees can vary from 25 - 75 Euros. And depending on the area the rate for subsequent 1/2 hr may be the same as the first 1/2 hr. This is custom in the Hessen area (Oase, World, Palace) and also be aware that extra charges for CIM and anal are also possible. The subsequent 1/2 hrs at 25 Euros can be expected only in some places, such as I believe at the famous Bernds but certainly was not the norm in any of the clubs I visited.
Frankfurt area
65-75 Entry (3 Big Clubs)
50 Euros per each 30 minutes
50 CIM, 100 Anal
There are smaller clubs around Frankfurt that charge less entry and some lower session prices.
Cologne, Dusseldorf and surrounding area has far more clubs so competition is higher thus lower rates.
560 Euro entry is pretty much the norm, OK some higher priced places in city centers (like Frankfurt).
Session prices are almost all
50 Euros for the 1st 30 minutes and 25 for each 30 minute there after.
There is some difference in clubs, while some will do the 50 first 30, 25 second and limit it to 75 Euro per hour. Others (if you know which ones it's 50 the first 30 and 25 for each 30 there after (no limit).
Bernd's invented the FKK Sauna club about 25 years ago. All others copied them. Entry is 70 Euros, they include hot food, alcohol, beer and soft drinks. Women charge by the program (session) which depending on the gal is 50 Euros. Some will do CIM for no extra while others will bill another 50. It appears more do it for n/c then those that charge. There is NO discount for for additional sessions when done back to back at Bernd's. If a gal likes you or you're a regular then your mileage may vary (you might get an hour for 50). It's a very small club, think of a house with two floors with 8 bedrooms. At peak 25 women, who come and go in shifts.
Places that offer the 25 for the next 30
GT, LR, Samya, PHG, VV
There are also places that offer 30-40 for the first session. If you spend enough time researching and visiting knowledge is power.
Would you mind informing everyone of the trip...I was thinking of going to a FKK tour as well but decided to go to Vegas in September instead. Any info. after your trip would be appreciated.
I love the Spearmint Rhino, but I think you should reconsider Germany.
1. FKK clubs are much better value for money then any kind of experience you could have in Vegas
2. There are casinos in Germany, so if you do want to gamble, you can do that as well.
3. Much more culture and history, so you can refresh you mind at outstanding museums and parks.
The only drawbacks:
1. A much longer flight from most of the USA.
2. You need to rent a car to get to the better FKKs - but I always rent a car when I am in Vegas, and driving in Vegas is worse than driving than in most of Germany.
3. You need to have a little English-German phrase book. Not so much for when you meet someone who does not speak any English, but for the crazy signs that the Germans put up filled with text!
I'd point some things out.
A flight to Vegas is at most 4-5 hours, for a lot of places, maybe 2-3. A flight into Frankfurt or Amsterdam is closer to 8-10, and really, even from the East Coast, it's likely to be longer to go E than W.
It's really difficult to make a weekend out of an FKK run (it can be done- I've done it, but realistically you're going to burn 4 days to get two in the FKKs: 1 for going there, one on the return); Vegas is something you can easily do in a weekend, with an hour or two with a friendly local provider.
There IS a cost of time aspect for money. I'd argue that if you're looking to spend several solid days in an FKK club, no doubt Germany's cheaper than Vegas and a better deal. But if all you have is a weekend? The equation's a bit different. Hotels in Vegas are arguably the least expensive in the US, in terms of what you get vs. what you spend. In addition, airfare to Vegas is generally less expensive than airfare to Germany. If you add it all up, it's quite possible a trip to Vegas that includes time with a provider may be LESS expensive in toto than one to Germany where you're hanging at the FKKs.
Yes, there are casinos in Germany, but getting there is non-trivial compared to Vegas, and the action's sort of different.
I think what most people that have actually been to many German FKK clubs will tell you is its about quality. In Germany there is a higher chance of getting good service. True it might not make sense to do it in a weekend. If you left Thursday you would arrive the next day. When you return you arrive back in the US on the same day you left. It's about a 9 hour time difference.
There is not chance of getting arrested in a sting in Germany, it's legal. There is no chance of getting rolled by a provider, in Germany you're in a club that has security.
Choice, you do all this research to find (1) provider who you only see photos of. Imagine being in a room with TOTALLY naked women, up to 130 at a time I've heard. We'll most of the time 20-50 and being a able to pick one. Now I don't know about you but even after paying a 50-65Euro entry that includes all the food and drink you can consume, 50 Euros for 30 minutes bbbj and dfk included is cheap.
I guess you could compare this to Thailand where its even cheaper. Then again I hear that flights from the US to Thailand are over 20 hours each way with severe jet lag. Plus don't forget you're selection is basically Asian. Blonde dyed hair on an Asian gal does not cut it for me.
Germany offers women from all continents not just one. You get Thailand, Brazil, Europe all in one room.
Germany also has health standards that you never know what you get from a independent provider.
I agree with Boneboybob, if time is an issue then nothing beats going local. If you want more then a few days having the best time of your life then you need to look into German FKK clubs.
The problem is that if you're going off the porn slappers advertising girls at $69 to your room, well, then you're hosed.
Pricewise, $ for $ in terms of quantity, yeah, you're not going to beat an FKK anywhere in Vegas. (Though I'd have to say that some of the FKK food reminds me of lower-end Vegas buffets....)
The one caveat being that an hour with a lady at the FKK, if you buy ALL the extras (ahem) can be a bit pricey, since anal/CIM are upcharges. This might be somewhere where you'd actually save money in Vegas with the right provider.
I have been to Germany twice, not specifically for FKK but for business, but I have partaken both times.
First off, I am not trying to dissuade anyone from this experience. I have done it before and will do it again.
But I would like to offer a little bit of reality.
Be careful about numbers like "naked woman, up to 130 at a time" as that is really dependent on the club and the time. Also, the quality of the women can vary widely.
The experience can be great and it can also be disappointing. (of course this is true anywhere, Berlin, Las Vegas, Prague, Costa Rica.) Sometimes you have a great 30 minutes, sometimes you have a very mechanical 30 minutes.
Depending on the entrance fee and girl charge, your first 30 minutes will run you about $165 using today's exchange rate. (Not counting any "tour costs".) And 30 minutes is 30 minutes.
Obviously if you find other girls to your liking then your total cost starts dropping--that's the whole point.
A lot depends on what you are looking for in "service"--what I prefer will be different than what others want. When I read about people going to the RLD in Frankfurt and spending 20 minutes "pounding one out" I know that is not something that I am interested in. But that's me.
(and I'm not saying that FKK's are like that either)
Also, be careful about "Germany has health standards", that is about as reliable as a Craigslist ad. And the clubs vary in hygiene, just like the ladies.
One other experience to try in Germany (since it is a long flight anyway) is going to a Partytreff.
It is not everyone's cup of tea but it is different.
There are not quite FKK quality girls in attendance, but it is one flat fee -- 100 to 150 Euros depending on the club. Depending on the club your sessions might be in a public area or private. But once you've paid your entrance fee there is no charge for sessions.
Dirk, I hope you have a great time in Germany, I did.
If you're pushing 50 and have a lot going on at home, yes...but in my 30s, no problem going to Frankfurt for a long weekend. I know a couple of NYers who do it routinely, every other month...shorter flight and shorter time change difference, they aren't affected as much.
I don't know about this tour stuff...let me be frank for a minute. A couple of guys out of LA tried doing this several years ago, and well...let's just say there was an incident or two where the rules of the game weren't fully explained to the punters; it didn't end well for the tour group (two friends of mine, who didn't know each other were coincidentally at the club when one of the incidents occurred). I think ou can do at least as well, and save a few hundred Euro in the process, on your own.
This isn't rocket science. You get on a plane to Frankfurt, take a train to Bad Homburg, and take a taxi to Oase at the station. Now, this is something even rookies can do. If it's your first time at Oase, for example, or any other big club, the staff will be more than happy to show you around, explain the T&C, so to speak, the rest I think you can figure out yourself.
Some of the other single male travel stuff, yes, like hotels, getting around, well, that can be daunting first time out, but getting to Frankfurt is more or less like going to a US city, with less English spoken.
I just got back from Frankfurt. I was there for business but made sure to pad my time to allow for some fun and 3 visits to 2 FKKs.
FKK Oase [http://www.fkk-oase.de/home-en-1.php] was my favorite of the two. You get exactly what you expect, good service from friendly and pretty good looking girls at a comparatively cheap price.
The other, It was bad, I'll have to go look up the name though, it was that bad I forgot already HAHA.
Cldcguy,
Did you ever remember the name of the FKK that was bad? I'm planning an FKK trip to Germany in August, 2010, and would like to avoid any bad ones.
I appreciate your help...
The gambling in Germany is a bit different then the US. So you might want to check into that before you venture off and plan a trip around that. Plus there might be a language barrier.
Driving in Germany in my opinion is not as simple as the US. The US bases most cities on square grids while ancient times based Germany on the circular pattern. What I mean is that in the US streets are basically straight. It's simple to say, go two blocks turn right, next block left and so on. In Germany all the streets are formed around the town center and the majority of streets are curved. This makes simple drives a bit more complicated. Plus throw in the numerous one way streets. Thus if you plan on driving you should invest in a GPS and European maps.
Rental cars and the companies that run them in Germany differ then the US. On average the daily cost for a rental car is about $50US, but if you plan on visiting clubs at a distance then fuel will cost you more then the daily rental. About 1.30 Euros a litre.
While the more common clubs closer to big cities do have people that speak some English don't plan on everyone speaking it.
Hotels run about 50 Euros and up per night as well. Thus you might consider going with others or an FKK tour where you pay with a credit card your transportation and hotel in one fee. Meet them at the airport, they shuttle you around for your entire stay, your hotels are all arranged for you and they include translators and drivers. You just have fun at a different club each day.
It all depends on if you're the do it yourself type and want that figure it out on your own adventure or the "have a pro do it for you".
The creme on the top for doing the tour is you'll be with others from the US that speak your language. Many people that attend these tours do it on a regular basis and get an even lower fare.
I got most of my info here
http://www.fkktour.com/fkk/faq.htm
What do the women and clubs look like go here
http://www.fkktour.com/fkk/women.htm
The next trip is explained here
http://www.fkktour.com/fkk/0909.html
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5 days $1062 US dollars
9 days $1799 US dollars
Do the math if you paid your hotel, rental car, ground transportation in Euros the prices make sense.
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For 120 bucks you can buy yourself a gps that works in germany, input the locations of the fkk clubs and rent a car at http://www.sixti.com/cgi-perl/rental/el?language=en for 150 euro's for the week and be able to take the 1,300 you save'd and spend it on the women. 2 clubs a day? The best girls come around at 4pm, so your rushing around and missing all the talent.
If you really want to stretch your dollar, the clubs open at 10am and close at 4~5am...stay at the club the entire time and drive the car to a nicely lit rest stop for 5 hours...then go back to the club to shower/shave. you can sleep on the lounge chairs at the club no problem, save the 500 euro's that you'd spend on hotels and fuck 10 women.
Let me know when your going Derk....I may be interested in going as well. I was going to plan something for November anyway. Thanks.