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too funny lol! Great discussion/question though! e
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LawrenceOfaLabia
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Reality check for you handsome 
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So, when you say "I'm not attracted to this race," you're saying "I have a negative image of what people of this race look like and I'm not attracted to it," and that's racist, end of story. Be racist all you want, just don't do these mental gymnastics to try to pretend you're not. You can do what you want with your body, but sometimes, those preferences and restrictions are actually discriminatory. No one's gonna force you to fuck a Black guy if you don't want to but maybe you should do some soul searching to find out why you don't want to.
Any more than a man who will not see a woman of a particular race is defined as racist.
Some men are not attracted to white women, or Asian women, or black women. And I know ladies who have plenty of black male friends who just aren't physically attracted to black men as sexual partners. It's not because they feel that black men are beneath them...they simply aren't physically attracted to them. And there is no racism if this is the case, IMO.
I think that most of us are attracted to certain races for one reason or another...it's just chemistry, not racism.
Although I do applaud your support of the right to be racist. It's a very honest and acceptable statement, IMO.
I never feel discriminated against when a man chooses a juicy Latina over me...hell, I might even like her better myself. LOL
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Some men are not attracted to white women, or Asian women, or black women. And I know ladies who have plenty of black male friends who just aren't physically attracted to black men as sexual partners. It's not because they feel that black men are beneath them...they simply aren't physically attracted to them. And there is no racism if this is the case, IMO.
I think that most of us are attracted to certain races for one reason or another...it's just chemistry, not racism.
Although I do applaud your support of the right to be racist. It's a very honest and acceptable statement, IMO.
I never feel discriminated against when a man chooses a juicy Latina over me...hell, I might even like her better myself. LOL =P
what I cannot support is trying to redefine the word to make one feel better about oneself. If a person wants to be a racist, it's a free country, and what can be a more personal decision that the right to fuck or not fuck whoever you want to?
That said, if a woman doesn't want to fuck black guys, why even bother trying to claim she not a racist? No one with half a brain buys the excuses, and from a practical standpoint why should she care what "those people" think anyhow?
and Courtney, for the record there are a LOT of women at your price point with NBA policies, just check out P411 or any other escort mall if you doubt me.
-- Modified on 11/10/2014 8:14:00 PMThat said, if a woman doesn't want to fuck black guys, why even bother trying to claim she not a racist? No one with half a brain buys the excuses, and from a practical standpoint why should she care what "those people" think anyhow?
and Courtney, for the record there are a LOT of women at your price point with NBA policies, just check out P411 or any other escort mall if you doubt me.
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But you are definitely right, I've never been there. I've been categorized and criticized for the way I grew up, (growing up poor and with no parents around, that gets you criticized and categorized immensely in a middle class town.) Again, a lot of us haven't seen what you guys have seen, so when those words 'white girl thinks this way' come out of someone's mouth, because we haven't lived what you've lived, we don't understand and naturally will be offended. There are apparently some areas to grow in for me personally in my listening and understanding someone else's point of view, and giving grace when someone says something not so politically correct to me. I just have remember the person speaking may be coming from something much deeper than their words, and just understand that. It's not easy, but it shows there's an ego lingering. Sigh
What matters isn't your intent or even really your actions, but how you take criticism. I'm not perfect, I still say shitty things all the time, but being able to listen to the person who was offended and consider "hey, maybe I don't understand because I'm not like them so I should listen to them and try to do better" makes all the difference. If more people would do that, this world would be a lot better.
Ok, makes sense. You're right, doing racist things is completely different that being racist.
The intent is never to do a racist thing, but pointing it out will help them understand. (Myself included). As long as people don't feel someone is being malicious behind those actions, or that little puff of smoke means there's a fire of racism within that person.
I don't get why we have to even be separate and hate that we even have to discuss this.
But I do apologize for misreading, and getting insulted so quickly. It's just upsetting to me to think it's so easy to come across as someone who is a racist person. Unfortunately, it does exist, so we have to live with the fact that some things we say may come across as insulting when it wasn't always the intent. It is what it is,
The intent is never to do a racist thing, but pointing it out will help them understand. (Myself included). As long as people don't feel someone is being malicious behind those actions, or that little puff of smoke means there's a fire of racism within that person.
I don't get why we have to even be separate and hate that we even have to discuss this.
But I do apologize for misreading, and getting insulted so quickly. It's just upsetting to me to think it's so easy to come across as someone who is a racist person. Unfortunately, it does exist, so we have to live with the fact that some things we say may come across as insulting when it wasn't always the intent. It is what it is,
You don't have to be a card carrying KKK member to do racist things. Are the girls that ban AA men racist? Maybe, I never said they were. But the ACT of barring a certain race based on nothing but stereotypes IS a racist act. You don't have to be a professional boxer to punch me in the face and you don't have to be an overt racist to be guilty of racism. It's literally that simple. The law means nothing in my example because there are plenty of racist laws on the books to this day (as well as a racist police force and prison industrial complex but that's a different story). How can you acknowledge that you have never experienced the same racism as a white woman as I have as a Black woman and still try to say you know better than me about this subject? I haven't accused ANYONE of BEING a racist, just doing racist things.
The employer is breaking the law.
Look I get that you've seen a lot more as a black woman than anything I have ever seen. I've never been through what you have. I've been through similar things when I was a church goer, always being accused of involvement with starting wars, killing people, being judgmental, and having bad intentions toward humanity, when all I was doing was being happy in the thing I'd chosen.
I feel like innocent bystanders are getting accused of something they never had anything to do with. Many are just living their lives, doing their thing, and getting along with everyone.
I'm not saying providers who don't see black men AREN'T racist people. I'm simply saying, I don't know that they ARE, and no one does.
I have never argued that it's because they're not attracted - because as a provider, I've never felt I needed to be attracted to man for him to pay me. It doesn't make sense. But I do know there are guys out there who put that on lady's ads to avoid other pimps stronger than them. It's not the girl, it's the person doing her ads. Is it right? No. Neither is pimping a girl.
There are different variations and/or ways to define something.
Look I get that you've seen a lot more as a black woman than anything I have ever seen. I've never been through what you have. I've been through similar things when I was a church goer, always being accused of involvement with starting wars, killing people, being judgmental, and having bad intentions toward humanity, when all I was doing was being happy in the thing I'd chosen.
I feel like innocent bystanders are getting accused of something they never had anything to do with. Many are just living their lives, doing their thing, and getting along with everyone.
I'm not saying providers who don't see black men AREN'T racist people. I'm simply saying, I don't know that they ARE, and no one does.
I have never argued that it's because they're not attracted - because as a provider, I've never felt I needed to be attracted to man for him to pay me. It doesn't make sense. But I do know there are guys out there who put that on lady's ads to avoid other pimps stronger than them. It's not the girl, it's the person doing her ads. Is it right? No. Neither is pimping a girl.
There are different variations and/or ways to define something.
Anytime you base your opinion of an entire race--literally millions of people--on stereotypes of what you imagine them to be like, it's racist. You see racist as a hostile word, I see racist as something almost everyone is to some extent and has to work to unlearn. An employer can't say "I don't hire Black people but I'll eat lunch with them" and not be considered racist, so why would it not be racist to say "I would never fuck a Black/Asian/whatever POC but I still LIKE them?" It's the same thing. You have a negative idea in your head about that race and have decided all people of that race fit that negative idea so you're writing them off based SOLELY on their race. I've had men reject me after approaching me because I clarify that I am and identify as Black (even though I'm mixed), so don't pretend that any sort of "preference" is based on anything but an aversion to that race and has nothing to do with individuals. It's racist, and it's fine, fuck or don't fuck who you want, but do not pretend that it's not racist to literally reject people without knowing them based SOLELY on their racial background. That is the dictionary definition of racism, there is no "different definitions." It means what it means.
Not that we can create a definition out of thin air, but we generally look at a word and put different meanings to the word.
Here are two definitions I found.
1. animosity toward other races: prejudice or animosity against people who belong to other races
Animosity is a hostile stance toward something
2. belief in racial superiority: the belief that people of different races have different qualities and abilities, and that some races are inherently superior or inferior
How I have been viewing the term racism is a passionate going against a race due to the belief that all of a certain race is bad. When dealing with races vs risk involved based on experience over a period of time, some people may not be against the color of the skin, as much as their chances of having problems. Not ALL, but some.
I see racism as a very hostile, hateful word. I don't think the "No AA Men" is written with hate in all cases, it just may be laziness in the risk prevention department, or possibly a prejudice. But labeling them as racist, thinking they themselves are a better race entirely, I don't think that's true.
I've heard more ladies not wanting to see East Indian. When they explain it, it's generally their sexual behaviors or their diet. (Or circumcised vs uncircumcised). Do they not like Indians themselves? I'm not so sure. I think they just aren't comfortable with the 50% of past clientele who had different ways of expressing their sexuality. I do know this is true, because I've seen, and still see, a lot of East Indian gentlemen. I personally enjoy them, but also know they have some
Here are two definitions I found.
1. animosity toward other races: prejudice or animosity against people who belong to other races
Animosity is a hostile stance toward something
2. belief in racial superiority: the belief that people of different races have different qualities and abilities, and that some races are inherently superior or inferior
How I have been viewing the term racism is a passionate going against a race due to the belief that all of a certain race is bad. When dealing with races vs risk involved based on experience over a period of time, some people may not be against the color of the skin, as much as their chances of having problems. Not ALL, but some.
I see racism as a very hostile, hateful word. I don't think the "No AA Men" is written with hate in all cases, it just may be laziness in the risk prevention department, or possibly a prejudice. But labeling them as racist, thinking they themselves are a better race entirely, I don't think that's true.
I've heard more ladies not wanting to see East Indian. When they explain it, it's generally their sexual behaviors or their diet. (Or circumcised vs uncircumcised). Do they not like Indians themselves? I'm not so sure. I think they just aren't comfortable with the 50% of past clientele who had different ways of expressing their sexuality. I do know this is true, because I've seen, and still see, a lot of East Indian gentlemen. I personally enjoy them, but also know they have some
If you hurt my feelings, about anything, even race, and I'm telling you that it hurt my feelings, it's because I want to work it out and make it right. Otherwise, I'm being dominated into submission and silence, as a punishment for how others treated you. Quite honestly, I think a person is a person, and when someone I generally respect, (and yes I have respected you on these boards for a long time,) hurts my feelings or says something I think is off about me, (or a category I fit in,) I want them to understand how I feel and think so we can move forward, and I should do the same for them. Otherwise something is damaged that didn't have to be. The comments about white people being privileged is not as strong as what you experience, but I've been around for 33 years, and this white privilege stuff is growing. I hear it more and more, and while it holds true in some cases, it bothers me, because I and many people I know who are white, don't think that way. One day I had ten dollars on me and to my name. I had a physical disability that wasn't noticeable if I managed it or sat down on time. I entered a bus, and while I don't have a disability card, I sat down in a very empty wheelchair section. Three disabled persons got on the next two stops and proceeded to loudly talk to each other about how privileged Rich people just sit in the wheelchair section when they don't need to. The last thing I had the energy to do, (I was tired and took the bus to avoid problems by walking as pain developed,) was to prove to them I needed to sit there. I was totally judged. You know I also have walked like a cripple for almost a year and a half a few years ago. I fell in a mall in North Carolina and had people (one black guy) making fun of me because I had heels on. I have never seen anything like that, but I dealt with those types of things constantly. I'm a normal looking, well dressed while lady who is young and healthy. People are not nice to you when you lose your stride. They are in fact very mean because of how you walk. On the days I walked fine, I was able to go grocery shopping by cab. I pulled out a LINK card I had at the time (in Illinois) and you wouldn't believe the looks I got. It was because I looked completely capable of living a normal life and working a normal job. Maybe that's where I'm coming from. Being a healthy white pretty girl walking like a cripple. (Or not walking at all.) I wonder if I was old or looked a different way if I would have been respected instead of publicly scrutinized to a level I couldn't believe. I am still shocked at what I saw. So I guess being assumed to be privileged because of what I look like brings back some nasty memories, and some nasty feelings. I learned not to judge people for their situation during that time, so I get upset when I see it happening.
Here's my issue, and you're going to think this is "racist," but that's okay with me. Why is it, that whenever white people are called out on doing racist things, they think first and usually only about how it hurts their feelings to be called racist, and not how much it hurt the person of color they were doing racist things to? I'd rather be called racist a million times than experience the racism I experience daily. I'd rather be called out by someone who cares about me being educated on these issues than be judged harshly based on nothing other but my skin color. Why hasn't that occurred to you?
For example: Oh, no, someone thinks you're racist for not seeing AA men, how about ALL the AA men who are looking to see someone and think you're amazing but will never get a chance because you've written them off based on something they have absolutely no control over? Oh no, someone thinks you're racist for saying you won't fuck Black women. How about ALL the Black women who go on dating profiles, to clubs and bars, and read hundreds of tweets and "think pieces" per day about why some random person doesn't like Black women? How about our feelings? You feel ostracized because of your actions, I'm ostracized because of how I was BORN.
Here's my issue, and you're going to think this is "racist," but that's okay with me. Why is it, that whenever white people are called out on doing racist things, they think first and usually only about how it hurts their feelings to be called racist, and not how much it hurt the person of color they were doing racist things to? I'd rather be called racist a million times than experience the racism I experience daily. I'd rather be called out by someone who cares about me being educated on these issues than be judged harshly based on nothing other but my skin color. Why hasn't that occurred to you?
For example: Oh, no, someone thinks you're racist for not seeing AA men, how about ALL the AA men who are looking to see someone and think you're amazing but will never get a chance because you've written them off based on something they have absolutely no control over? Oh no, someone thinks you're racist for saying you won't fuck Black women. How about ALL the Black women who go on dating profiles, to clubs and bars, and read hundreds of tweets and "think pieces" per day about why some random person doesn't like Black women? How about our feelings? You feel ostracized because of your actions, I'm ostracized because of how I was BORN.
It's still hurtful and insulting, and ostracizing to be categorized. Based on what you just said, I would think you would understand my frustration in what you said.
Sorry about my uneducated reference to a Puerto Rican, but I never said Puerto Rican was a race.
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Sorry about my uneducated reference to a Puerto Rican, but I never said Puerto Rican was a race.
You being white affects your life experience and world view. Sorry, white people aren't discriminated against based on race on nearly the same scale as people of color. That's not racist, that's fact. White privilege is quantifiable and fact. If you were Puerto Rican, that wouldn't change anything unless you were Black because, hi, Puerto Rican isn't a race! There are white Puerto Ricans and white ones and indigenous ones, come on, this is 101 level shit.
That's sad you've been "unfriended because you were white," but I'm sure that's not the only reason. Call me, though, when someone calls you the N-word to your face for just walking by, or you get stopped by the police for just existing in close proximity to them, or overhear an interviewer saying "I didn't think she'd be Black" before telling you the position has been filled, then maybe we can have an informed conversation on racism.
That's sad you've been "unfriended because you were white," but I'm sure that's not the only reason. Call me, though, when someone calls you the N-word to your face for just walking by, or you get stopped by the police for just existing in close proximity to them, or overhear an interviewer saying "I didn't think she'd be Black" before telling you the position has been filled, then maybe we can have an informed conversation on racism.
You just said something racist back to me. How does the fact that I'm a white girl have anything to do with this? What if I was Puerto Rican and said the same thing?
This is exactly why I'm insulted. Because my explanations are taken in a completely different light because I'm white. I guess I wish everyone wasn't racist too. Because I've taken a lot of shit, and even been unfriended by black friends just for being white. Then they go preach on Facebook how they are fighting racism. (This is an example for the sake of exposing hypocrisy)
If they would just live up to it themselves, maybe more people would listen. But I see what they say as pointless, because I don't see them living it.
Don't you feel like the "No AAs" are a personal attack? I understand why. But I kind of see the 'white girls - like you' all the time. It's frustrating.
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This is exactly why I'm insulted. Because my explanations are taken in a completely different light because I'm white. I guess I wish everyone wasn't racist too. Because I've taken a lot of shit, and even been unfriended by black friends just for being white. Then they go preach on Facebook how they are fighting racism. (This is an example for the sake of exposing hypocrisy)
If they would just live up to it themselves, maybe more people would listen. But I see what they say as pointless, because I don't see them living it.
Don't you feel like the "No AAs" are a personal attack? I understand why. But I kind of see the 'white girls - like you' all the time. It's frustrating.
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On a side note Josephine, I think your post here is extremely attractive. Asking myself why I haven't seen you yet....... Just to make sure I'm not being a hypocrit, the post would have been equally attractive coming from any woman, any race. Josephine, hit me up though. I don't have VIP on here, but send it to my same name here at yahoo. Love sexyou educated woman that are "about" something.
When you say "I'm not attracted to x race" it's based solely on stereotypes. Black women, for example, come in every shape, size and color you can imagine. Halle Berry is Black, obviously, so is Naomi Campbell, but, guess what, so is Nicole Richie and Rashida Jones and Adriana Lima and plenty of women that these same people calling Black woman unattractive would call attractive. Hell, I get emails EVERYDAY from men saying "I'm usually not attracted to Black women but you're beautiful" and variations thereof.
So, when you say "I'm not attracted to this race," you're saying "I have a negative image of what people of this race look like and I'm not attracted to it," and that's racist, end of story. Be racist all you want, just don't do these mental gymnastics to try to pretend you're not. You can do what you want with your body, but sometimes, those preferences and restrictions are actually discriminatory. No one's gonna force you to fuck a Black guy if you don't want to but maybe you should do some soul searching to find out why you don't want to.
So, when you say "I'm not attracted to this race," you're saying "I have a negative image of what people of this race look like and I'm not attracted to it," and that's racist, end of story. Be racist all you want, just don't do these mental gymnastics to try to pretend you're not. You can do what you want with your body, but sometimes, those preferences and restrictions are actually discriminatory. No one's gonna force you to fuck a Black guy if you don't want to but maybe you should do some soul searching to find out why you don't want to.
Any more than a man who will not see a woman of a particular race is defined as racist.
Some men are not attracted to white women, or Asian women, or black women. And I know ladies who have plenty of black male friends who just aren't physically attracted to black men as sexual partners. It's not because they feel that black men are beneath them...they simply aren't physically attracted to them. And there is no racism if this is the case, IMO.
I think that most of us are attracted to certain races for one reason or another...it's just chemistry, not racism.
Although I do applaud your support of the right to be racist. It's a very honest and acceptable statement, IMO. I never feel discriminated against when a man chooses a juicy Latina over me...hell, I might even like her better myself. LOL
=P
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Some men are not attracted to white women, or Asian women, or black women. And I know ladies who have plenty of black male friends who just aren't physically attracted to black men as sexual partners. It's not because they feel that black men are beneath them...they simply aren't physically attracted to them. And there is no racism if this is the case, IMO.
I think that most of us are attracted to certain races for one reason or another...it's just chemistry, not racism.
Although I do applaud your support of the right to be racist. It's a very honest and acceptable statement, IMO.
I never feel discriminated against when a man chooses a juicy Latina over me...hell, I might even like her better myself. LOL =P
what I cannot support is trying to redefine the word to make one feel better about oneself. If a person wants to be a racist, it's a free country, and what can be a more personal decision that the right to fuck or not fuck whoever you want to?
That said, if a woman doesn't want to fuck black guys, why even bother trying to claim she not a racist? No one with half a brain buys the excuses, and from a practical standpoint why should she care what "those people" think anyhow?
and Courtney, for the record there are a LOT of women at your price point with NBA policies, just check out P411 or any other escort mall if you doubt me.
That said, if a woman doesn't want to fuck black guys, why even bother trying to claim she not a racist? No one with half a brain buys the excuses, and from a practical standpoint why should she care what "those people" think anyhow?
and Courtney, for the record there are a LOT of women at your price point with NBA policies, just check out P411 or any other escort mall if you doubt me.
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