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i usually never tip..i tipped a lady only once and she had the gall to ask for it the second time i saw her..that left a bitter taste in my mouth..tipping should be a kind gesture on the client's part..and should never be expected or asked for by the provider..

Posted By: toddvila
I posted this in the wrong message board. I need to know what is proper for tipping?  At a restaurant it is 18%, right?  How much for a provider in this hobby and when do you tip(in the beginning with the donation or at the end)?  Should I mention that my tip is based on performance?  Would that be rude?  
 

I posted this in the wrong message board. I need to know what is proper for tipping?  At a restaurant it is 18%, right?  How much for a provider in this hobby and when do you tip(in the beginning with the donation or at the end)?  Should I mention that my tip is based on performance?  Would that be rude

Most girls love tips. It can go either way...If you tip in the beginning you may have a better time.  If you tip at the end it's always a super nice surprise!  

Either way thanks for the tip!! lol  

Have a great sunday!

Jaime

i usually never tip..i tipped a lady only once and she had the gall to ask for it the second time i saw her..that left a bitter taste in my mouth..tipping should be a kind gesture on the client's part..and should never be expected or asked for by the provider..

Posted By: toddvila
I posted this in the wrong message board. I need to know what is proper for tipping?  At a restaurant it is 18%, right?  How much for a provider in this hobby and when do you tip(in the beginning with the donation or at the end)?  Should I mention that my tip is based on performance?  Would that be rude?  
 

I don't know how to say this without sounding "cheap".  When your paying the prices that the "provider" is charging nowadays ($500+), I usually tend to think the tip is built in.

Remember (and here comes the argument, I'm sure) comparing a "restaurant" employee to a provider... The restaurant employee does not create the prices of the steak or the martini the owner of the restaurant creates them.  The employee makes minimum wage and DEPEND on tips.  You don't go to the restaurant and tip the owner do you???

Providers create their own prices (or as they call them "donations" which is a stupid way of saying that.  So your telling me a "donation" is what people usually give you but if I don't have the money can I "donate" less or whatever???  I don't think so.  Can I pay you 500 "roses" as well???). Now to add in the cost of the room or other expense is the providers expense...  Picking a 5 star hotel isn't my problem.  If they want to stay in a luxurious hotel then thats why they are charging the price that they are charging.  Build the cost and tip into the "donation".  I think you get my point.

I also have another beef...  A "2 hour minimum".  No disrespect but I may not be out to "hang out" with someone for 2 hours...  Maybe I don't want to "get to know" each other.  I'm not out to make new friends sometimes.  Maybe I just want to play and hang out with my friends afterwards...  Maybe I only need 15 mins because you are so fucking hot and sexy.  Charge me for the hour... I get it.  Maybe we don't want a "girlfriend" we just want to get have a hot time for an hour.  Thats it.  Why do I want to spend an 2 hours plus with someone???  If I want to spend 2 hours or more with a woman then I'll go out on a girlfriend or the wife.  I apologize ladies but one of my biggest turn off are those that are trying to grab my money by telling me that I  "have to hang out with you for 2 hours plus" to see you.  I think you get my point with this as well.

I have a funny feeling that I didn't make new friends with this rant.

Sorry.

SP

 

Posted By: macdaddy1944
i usually never tip..i tipped a lady only once and she had the gall to ask for it the second time i saw her..that left a bitter taste in my mouth..tipping should be a kind gesture on the client's part..and should never be expected or asked for by the provider..  
   
Posted By: toddvila
I posted this in the wrong message board. I need to know what is proper for tipping?  At a restaurant it is 18%, right?  How much for a provider in this hobby and when do you tip(in the beginning with the donation or at the end)?  Should I mention that my tip is based on performance?  Would that be rude?    
 

totally agree with SP on the 2 hour minimum..i can usually talk to the provider into booking me for one hour which is really all i need..if they do not budge..i do not book them..providers need to be accommodating to their clients..coming across as a " money grabber " will sour the palates of most prospective clients..

Posted By: SnakePliskken
I don't know how to say this without sounding "cheap".  When your paying the prices that the "provider" is charging nowadays ($500+), I usually tend to think the tip is built in.  
   
 Remember (and here comes the argument, I'm sure) comparing a "restaurant" employee to a provider... The restaurant employee does not create the prices of the steak or the martini the owner of the restaurant creates them.  The employee makes minimum wage and DEPEND on tips.  You don't go to the restaurant and tip the owner do you???  
   
 Providers create their own prices (or as they call them "donations" which is a stupid way of saying that.  So your telling me a "donation" is what people usually give you but if I don't have the money can I "donate" less or whatever???  I don't think so.  Can I pay you 500 "roses" as well???). Now to add in the cost of the room or other expense is the providers expense...  Picking a 5 star hotel isn't my problem.  If they want to stay in a luxurious hotel then thats why they are charging the price that they are charging.  Build the cost and tip into the "donation".  I think you get my point.  
   
 I also have another beef...  A "2 hour minimum".  No disrespect but I may not be out to "hang out" with someone for 2 hours...  Maybe I don't want to "get to know" each other.  I'm not out to make new friends sometimes.  Maybe I just want to play and hang out with my friends afterwards...  Maybe I only need 15 mins because you are so fucking hot and sexy.  Charge me for the hour... I get it.  Maybe we don't want a "girlfriend" we just want to get have a hot time for an hour.  Thats it.  Why do I want to spend an 2 hours plus with someone???  If I want to spend 2 hours or more with a woman then I'll go out on a girlfriend or the wife.  I apologize ladies but one of my biggest turn off are those that are trying to grab my money by telling me that I  "have to hang out with you for 2 hours plus" to see you.  I think you get my point with this as well.  
   
 I have a funny feeling that I didn't make new friends with this rant.  
   
 Sorry.  
   
 SP  
   
   
   
Posted By: macdaddy1944
i usually never tip..i tipped a lady only once and she had the gall to ask for it the second time i saw her..that left a bitter taste in my mouth..tipping should be a kind gesture on the client's part..and should never be expected or asked for by the provider..  
     
Posted By: toddvila
I posted this in the wrong message board. I need to know what is proper for tipping?  At a restaurant it is 18%, right?  How much for a provider in this hobby and when do you tip(in the beginning with the donation or at the end)?  Should I mention that my tip is based on performance?  Would that be rude?    
   

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Yes, 2+ hour minimums are a major turn-off.  If I see that, I don't even bother with that lady.  It's not about the money, although it does seem like a cash grab.  No, it's that my schedule rarely allows me to get away for more than an hour.  Ladies, be more accommodating.

I completely understand the 2hr minimum as why some ask for that.  Why?  Because I will correlate it to as you were using the restaurant likeness that you used before for servers.

There are many different kinds of restaurants, there is the drive through(those that allow the 15-30min quick appts would be in this type), then there are the sit down restaurants(those who offer 1hr minimum and may do an occasional 30min), but then in a class all their own are the fine dining establishments(these would be the ladies asking for 2+hrs minimum).

Now, the differences are all quite clear.  

Fast Food, or drive through you are all about getting what you want quickly o you can move on the the next thing you want to do.  I think we all do this from time to time.  Be it sex or food maybe you are just strapped for time and only want a quickie.  When this is what you are looking for you seek out a fast food restaurant, or on our side a lady who offers a shorter appt time.  What you don't do is goto a sit down restaurant and demand you be served next because you only have 15mins, you goto McD's, or Wendy's.  So if this is the type of hobbiest you are find ladies who offer quickies, don't bitch to the 1hr minimum ladies that they should charge you 1/2 because you only want 30 of the 60 mins(thsi happens ALOT!).  Keep in mind if you are one of the below hobbiest types, that those who offer quickies also offer longer, they look to satisfy all of your hunger cravings.

Sit down, well now you are looking to have a meal and not have to deal with driving your car while eating.  Looking to enjoy but not stay to long, maybe even order an appitizer.  These are the ladies that spend the hour with you and don't offer less...  So you get some nice foreplay and progress, maybe even finish a couple times and don't ask the lady to go over on time just to accomplish it.  Your dining is slow but progresses quickly, in no time you are at dessert and wipe your lips thinking that was great.  A little conversation before also helps.  This type allows for that.  More relaxed but at the same time it progresses nicely.  These ladies would be insulted if you asked for a lesser time unless you were a long time regular and it was understood that 30mins is all you need and would never go over, then and only then they might say ok but not for 1/2 rate.

The last type of restaurant is the fine dining establishment.  You know the ones, when the ambiance is cool and sophisticated with music that relaxes in a environment that screams upscale and top shelf.  This is that place that you first are asked what you would like from the wine steward that wanders to each new table, and he comes back after a tie with his finest for you to sample before you accept.  Then comes your waitress to assist you with your ordering process and to guide you through what you might want.  She will have a smile the whole time and will not become frustrated no matter how many questions you ask or what not.  Your order consists of an appetizer, a salad, a entree w/side you had to order separately since everything is ala carte here, and the dessert.   The progression is slow but smooth and you are able to enjoy each course before moving on to the next.  Dinner takes approx 3hrs and after you are so relaxed and you just feel so indulged and special because that is how these types of places make you feel.  Now you can have a lovely long dinner at a sit down place or even a fast food joint and perhaps you feel this way after.  However you would NEVER walk into one of these places and ask for your meal "to go" or give them a time limit and expect the entire experience in an hour or less.  These ladies specialize in the more relaxed and laid back approach choosing not to be rushed or cater to those who might want to rush them.  Often times these ladies choose to only visit with 1 guest a day or just a few in a week.  This is what they offer, period and it is laid out and explained ahead of time that they do not offer a lesser experience.

So, with that said.  I understand WHY they choose to do that minimum, and if that is not what you want then move on and see them when you are of a mindset to indulge for the long visit.  Though we do cater to you as providers, we still choose what we would like to offer of ourselves to you.   If we are only comfortable with 2hrs+ then pushing for less is likely to leave you wondering why it didn't feel like her reviews, ummm because you wanted an appt she doesn't offer and is not really comfortable with.  Doesn't take a brain surgeon to understand that.

Not trying to be bitchy, but guys when you push for something that is not offered 9/10 times if you are not declined your service will suffer and providers don't forget.  Push for a less time frame, or push for a discount when one isn't offered you get labeled as cheap, push for added services that aren't offered and you get branded with many other names depending.  You best bet is ALWAYS to find those who offer what you seek because those are the ones that are comfy with offering those things, hence usually a better time because of it.

Posted By: Sage of Chicago
I completely understand the 2hr minimum as why some ask for that.  Why?  Because I will correlate it to as you were using the restaurant likeness that you used before for servers.  
   
 There are many different kinds of restaurants, there is the drive through(those that allow the 15-30min quick appts would be in this type), then there are the sit down restaurants(those who offer 1hr minimum and may do an occasional 30min), but then in a class all their own are the fine dining establishments(these would be the ladies asking for 2+hrs minimum).  
   
 Now, the differences are all quite clear.    
   
 Fast Food, or drive through you are all about getting what you want quickly o you can move on the the next thing you want to do.  I think we all do this from time to time.  Be it sex or food maybe you are just strapped for time and only want a quickie.  When this is what you are looking for you seek out a fast food restaurant, or on our side a lady who offers a shorter appt time.  What you don't do is goto a sit down restaurant and demand you be served next because you only have 15mins, you goto McD's, or Wendy's.  So if this is the type of hobbiest you are find ladies who offer quickies, don't bitch to the 1hr minimum ladies that they should charge you 1/2 because you only want 30 of the 60 mins(thsi happens ALOT!).  Keep in mind if you are one of the below hobbiest types, that those who offer quickies also offer longer, they look to satisfy all of your hunger cravings.  
   
 Sit down, well now you are looking to have a meal and not have to deal with driving your car while eating.  Looking to enjoy but not stay to long, maybe even order an appitizer.  These are the ladies that spend the hour with you and don't offer less...  So you get some nice foreplay and progress, maybe even finish a couple times and don't ask the lady to go over on time just to accomplish it.  Your dining is slow but progresses quickly, in no time you are at dessert and wipe your lips thinking that was great.  A little conversation before also helps.  This type allows for that.  More relaxed but at the same time it progresses nicely.  These ladies would be insulted if you asked for a lesser time unless you were a long time regular and it was understood that 30mins is all you need and would never go over, then and only then they might say ok but not for 1/2 rate.  
   
 The last type of restaurant is the fine dining establishment.  You know the ones, when the ambiance is cool and sophisticated with music that relaxes in a environment that screams upscale and top shelf.  This is that place that you first are asked what you would like from the wine steward that wanders to each new table, and he comes back after a tie with his finest for you to sample before you accept.  Then comes your waitress to assist you with your ordering process and to guide you through what you might want.  She will have a smile the whole time and will not become frustrated no matter how many questions you ask or what not.  Your order consists of an appetizer, a salad, a entree w/side you had to order separately since everything is ala carte here, and the dessert.   The progression is slow but smooth and you are able to enjoy each course before moving on to the next.  Dinner takes approx 3hrs and after you are so relaxed and you just feel so indulged and special because that is how these types of places make you feel.  Now you can have a lovely long dinner at a sit down place or even a fast food joint and perhaps you feel this way after.  However you would NEVER walk into one of these places and ask for your meal "to go" or give them a time limit and expect the entire experience in an hour or less.  These ladies specialize in the more relaxed and laid back approach choosing not to be rushed or cater to those who might want to rush them.  Often times these ladies choose to only visit with 1 guest a day or just a few in a week.  This is what they offer, period and it is laid out and explained ahead of time that they do not offer a lesser experience.  
   
 So, with that said.  I understand WHY they choose to do that minimum, and if that is not what you want then move on and see them when you are of a mindset to indulge for the long visit.  Though we do cater to you as providers, we still choose what we would like to offer of ourselves to you.   If we are only comfortable with 2hrs+ then pushing for less is likely to leave you wondering why it didn't feel like her reviews, ummm because you wanted an appt she doesn't offer and is not really comfortable with.  Doesn't take a brain surgeon to understand that.  
   
 Not trying to be bitchy, but guys when you push for something that is not offered 9/10 times if you are not declined your service will suffer and providers don't forget.  Push for a less time frame, or push for a discount when one isn't offered you get labeled as cheap, push for added services that aren't offered and you get branded with many other names depending.  You best bet is ALWAYS to find those who offer what you seek because those are the ones that are comfy with offering those things, hence usually a better time because of it.

Ok, I know that I am a provider so one would think I wouldn't agree with you guys. But I agree with what both of you guys' said. (Mac and Snake) Maybe I have different opinions because I've been on both sides of the fence. I have been a waitress and I have been a provider. As providers, we make more per hour than some doctors, lawyers, etc. I never expect a tip, but if someone gives me one I am always grateful. I think tipping is meant for the providers that blow your mind, or do something special that they wouldn't normally do. I feel like as a provider, I am a part of the "service" industry, and in customer service you are usually taught to treat your loyal customers well.  

I would even offer less than an hour, because that is all some guests need, but I found that when you 15 min / 30 mins is offered that the quality of my guests go down. As well as, the session tends to be "rushed", but in my opinion it is IMPOSSIBLE to not rush if it is only a 15 or 30 minutes session.  

I have a feeling, that some will think I am taking the wrong side here, but I agree with you guys'.  

I haven't read all the posts yet, I only got as far as the third one down, so I'll continue to read and then probably comment again.

Regarding 2 hour minimums... ladies have different styles, like certain types of clients, and a two hour minimum will get them those types of clients. I like to have some mental stimulation/connection with the client during an appointment. I perform better, have more fun, thus giving the client a better experience in as well. (A client can usually tell when a provider really is enjoying themselves.) I do know ladies who love the one hour appointments... and dread the longer ones... because they like the sex and really don't like when men build too much of a connection with them. It can be draining for some.

Knowing your style is good both for the service provider and the consumer. I don't see why it's a problem either way. Just go on to the next lady who offers one hour appointments. She'll move on to the ones who want two hour appointments... you're both happy. :)

All in all, if the two hour minimum won't budge, it's working for them, and it's what they want... why not keep it at what they want? It's not hurting anyone. There are plenty more to see.

 
Regarding the restaurant employee. The gratuity is definitely where they make their money. Not the paycheck. A 20% tip on a $500 bill would come out to $100.  

Rates for anything sold, or service provided, are built on a few things... the quality of the 'service/product', the demand of the service/product, and the competition of the service/product. (i.e. what the seller can actually get.) Some ladies in this biz are not looking for a lot of clients, thus, have higher rates as their goals are different than the higher volume provider. (Not in all cases). It is a very different thing than going to a restaurant... BUT.

A hobbyist has strategies as well. I'm assuming there are many providers who have gotten to the point in their careers where they have a choice as to whom they see... and it's very difficult to see them. Who do you think they'll choose to see in the event two are trying to schedule? The one who tips well, or the one who doesn't? Some hobbyists already know how to wedge their way in. Gifts, tips, etc. If you want attention and good service at a bar, and are trying to impress a lady by getting that service, throw a big bill on the counter and you've got good service for the rest of the night. That bartender will spot you from a mile away.

-- Modified on 9/29/2013 11:28:49 AM

When I started 9 months ago, my minimum was two hours and it was strictly based on my comfort level. Maybe I'm just not cut out for the "wham bam" dates, but I can promise you that greed never entered into that at all. I just can't picture myself dropping to my knees the second a guy walks in the door. I feel like it's much more enjoyable for both parties if we can establish at least some semblance of a connection. Plus I just genuinely enjoy meeting knew people. I've learned so much about the human condition just by talking with my clients. Every one of them fascinates me.  

In any event, after getting some advice from another provider, I dropped my minimum to 90 minutes. I thought that was a pretty fair compromise. Am I wrong?

Some excellent points, but I think we all understand the reason for using the term "donation." As for the 2-hour minimum, that is a business decision left to the sole discretion of the provider, and can be instituted for any number of reasons besides pure greed. I have absolutely no insight into how a provider thinks, but if I could imagine stepping into their shoes, I personally would rather see one client for 2 hours at $700, then see two client's for an hour each at $400. I have been vey fortunate to meet a few women who obviously have spent time preparing for our meetings both physically and emotionally to ensure that my personal experience was exceptional and memorable. Seeing as how each client is uniquely different in appearance, manner, and tastes, I would think it would be a daunting task for the provider to be a human chameleon able to satisfy everyone's intimate fantasies. In the long run, this is truly an unregulated system and the market will tell whether the provider's decion to set parameters on her sessions is fruitful. There is no dearth of excellent providers from which to choose from.

I don't ask for tips nor do I expect them, I charge what I charge and that's n that. if a client wants to or can he will ladies. if he doesn't then he doesnt

The best tip is being a repeat client.  If the provider keeps bringing up something about a tip, it is a sure way to get me not to return.

I always say the the rate includes tip and travel.  It's not expected but is always nice. Especially for agency girls.  

But really the best tip is repeat business!!  

The hourly rate is a nice chunk of change to start with.  

 
I hope everyone is enjoying this beautiful weather today!!  

Jaime!!

"The best tip is being a repeat client".  Holds true for any service oriented industry.

Exactly!

Posted By: ChiTownPimp
The best tip is being a repeat client.  If the provider keeps bringing up something about a tip, it is a sure way to get me not to return.

it's always nice when someone does, whatever the reason, whatever the amount.  

People, lately, have been rounding up 20-30 for me, sometimes more. It gives me a little tickle and makes me feel like they feel I am worth more to them than what I charge. It's positive reinforcement, and motivates me to continue improving myself for them and others. Though I've noticed the ones who tip started after they became frequent flyers, lol.

I like to thank them for the 'extra' when they do give. I wonder about talking about it via email and if it's appropriate, if they like the thanks, or if they just like leaving the surprise for me to enjoy.

Folks employed in the   service  industries, ie: wait staff, bartenders,bell hops, the concierge, and the like.
when a person charges, $200 +/he...like a lawyer, Dr, and other professionals, tipping is unnecessary.
No one here will argue that Providers are the highest paid per hr. In many respects rightfully so
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When have you tipped Your Atty?

I have on occasion gifted my providers, especially a couple ATF's.
That is my nature.

Btw.......15% is the standard minimum for restaurants....I begin at 20%, having paid for college working in restaurants and bars.

Posted By: toddvila
I posted this in the wrong message board. I need to know what is proper for tipping?  At a restaurant it is 18%, right?  How much for a provider in this hobby and when do you tip(in the beginning with the donation or at the end)?  Should I mention that my tip is based on performance?  Would that be rude?  
 

Some more excellent points! As for the ladies out there monitoring this thread, wouldn't you find a gift to be a more thoughtful and considerate expression of a client's gratitude. If not, and extra monetary compensation is preferred, perhaps Snake hit it right on the head.

Services are materially not as advertised or if she tries to end the session early.

But I have tipped a couple of times. And those are the times when it was really fantastic. I mean, the provider really delivered the goods and I was left very very happy!

but when I do, I tip Dos Equis.  Sorry, couldn't resist.

I always have, just seems appropriate.  I guess it is driven by the experience.

If a provider is pissed at not getting tipped in addition to her fee, she should raise her rates. I would prefer a newbie turned regular over one hundred dollar tip from him. None of my regs tip me, but they do buy me gifts and I also give them OTC time. It all evens out. I am amazed at some women who expect both gifts and tips, but all hell breaks loose if you are even there 15 min. over your time. I think it works both ways.

In the past when I would meet a provider for the first time I would want to give her a little tip - token of satisfaction if you will - so I would give something I thought would be universally liked - a $25 Starbucks gift card. And that usually would put a smile on her face. This worked nicely a few times, however with one gal she didn't really show appreciation for my gesture, which irked me afterwards. I didn't say anything to her at that moment, but I haven't repeated with her either, because of it. And since then I've stopped tipping unless its for a gal that I'm seeing more than once. Again, just chiming in with my experience.

1) I went for a massage for a $160 flat fee (no tipping expected). The girl gave me the most amazing body to body massage!!! She worked her ass off for the entire duration of my session and turned it into one of my most memorable experiences. It was amazing! I figured the agency or person running the place probably took a pretty hefty cut of the fee so I tipped $50..... and regret not tipping more (she no longer works).

2) I booked the night before for an incall the next afternoon. I was a first time client and when I walked into the hotel in the western burbs, it was nicer than I would have expected. She could have gone with a lot of cheaper options. Her rate was $250 and I tipped an extra $40 for what I assumed to be the difference in rate from a standard place. Maybe she already had a date for later in the night and would've booked the same room regardless, but I got the feeling that she wanted to make it a better experience in hopes of making me a repeat.

Other than that, I have never felt the urge to tip. I can at least understand tipping for agency girls, but really don't understand why a tip would be expected for independent girls. If you would like more for the time, just increase your rate by that amount. You are in full control. It's just an odd feeling for me to commit to paying $300-$400 (for example) and then tip on top of that. Just my 2 cents.

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