So we can avoid them.

I would need to know that the agency had a long-standing, amazing reputation AND that they verify all of their employees the same way. Likewise, I wouldn't trust a verification service that didn't verify both ways. I need to know that the provider has been verified with real ID - not references from other providers. When everybody provides their ID, it just proves that everyone has good intentions, IMHO. If a provider has given her real ID to a verification service, she's hard-pressed to attempt any sort of blackmail situation. Can anyone recall a blackmail story where both parties were verified? So rare!

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Advice, avoid them.

Never do it. Risks are obvious.

Hey guys- So, I wanted to chime in to give you guys a little input from this side. I am both a provider, and I help some other ladies with screening. Believe me, we do not want to have to ask for your ID. But, there have been instances in the past, of gentlemen sharing P411 accounts, and I would assume that is one of the reasons that they require it. And, from what I know- all agencies require their girls to produce ID's to ensure they aren't under age. As far as indy providers go, we have to submit our Id to the ad sites, to ensure we are not underage. Personally, whether screening for myself or one of the girls that I assist, I always delete any sensitive information that you provide, and then tag you as being verified.  

I am not saying that you shouldn't be hesitant to who you give your ID to, I am just saying that most of us (agencies or indys) can be verified through our reviews, being authenticated on some sites, among other ways. And, if you do your research on the agency, you can find the ones that are trust worthy of sending your ID to.  

Also, a lot of places will accept P411, and then you should only have to give your first name, and just make sure that the rest of your handle can be confirmed with your ID. (Jon-02-M-1111) The way that P411 has it set up, is those numbers should correlate to something in your wallet. Don't quote me on this though, you may want to look at P411 and make sure what the rules are in regards to that.  

Well, thats my 2 cents for what its worth.

You do realize that P411 states that you need to give the provider your ID at the beginning of the date so she can verify that you are the account holder if she asks? How else are we supposed to know you are who you are? I'm not understanding why this is such a big deal. You think handing over your ID is bigger than us handing over our body to someone who doesn't want to verify that he is and behind closed doors. How do we know you aren't a friend of the account holder? It's not like you have photos for us to compare the guy on the other side of the door with.

That being said there are plenty of providers who do not require ID. I don't if you fully comply with the rest of my screening, but if I ask I expect you to comply or see someone else.

I used to just call the number, speak with the girl and arrange the meeting. Nowadays everyone wants employment information or reference. Is there a way to avoid it? I am a married professional guy who has a lot to lose, the screening requirement makes me very apprehensive.

Screening/Verification

Yeah, I verify through my website screening form on website or via email. I am a mature drama free woman but I really have no patience for the "whiners" that say that they have so much to lose. I can be raped/murdered by who I let into my home. I can lose where I live (I rent a town home) if my landlord and homeowners association gets wind of an arrest. So I am either out on the street or dead. For who has the most to lose, it's me (and my provider "sisters" that do this).  

I get a lot of cops that call but as soon as I talk verification, they hang up (and I can tell by now by the tone in their voices who they are). I have just avoided being arrested and having my phone taken as evidence which protects BOTH me and you. The ones that don't verify, good luck because many of them could be working with the cops to trap "Johns".  

Good luck, as I expect "skippy" will be lonely. My blog on my website talks about him a lot.

I understand verification and even confirming by showing at ID at the first meeting.   But I recently had a lady tell me that she would make a copy of my ID for her files.   Maintaining files like that is just a bad idea!

...and depending on our level of involvement in this industry, the risks are incredibly high.
Let's just look at the legal ramifications (since we all know about the rates of murder/violence that are perpetrated against sex workers, right?).

If a provider gets pinched, it's a class A misdemeanor. It's an offense that can be expunged, but it can take multiple years. Depending on sentencing, there's a max penalty of a year in prison and/or $2500 in fines. If a provider drove and the cops knows she drove, her car will be impounded to the tune of up to $3k (if she happened to get caught within 500 feet of a school).  

Much of the same happens for clients that get busted, as well (unless of course, you happen to be a client who starts organizing women/running an agency/pimping/etc).

Here's where the split happens, since a lot of us share space and work collectively.

There's a category of offenses that's known as "advancing prostitution":
"Advancing Prostitution (Soliciting another for the purpose of prostitution (aka running an agency), arranging a meeting for the purposes of prostitution (aka booking and scheduling), directing another for the purpose of prostitution (aka running a agency, arranging a duo between 2 independent providers, or being a booker/screener) or keeping a place of prostitution (running an incall, running an agency that provides a static incall, being a collective of independent providers that shares space)) = Class 4 felony – 1-3 years in jail and/or fines up to $25,000. Not sealable/expungable without a formal pardon."

Couple that with offering work space or lodging to a provider who's crossing state lines to work? That's now a federal felony that comes with federal prison time.  You all should be very, very aware of the very real consequences of the current federal and state laws that have passed and how they dramatically limit the ability of providers to work collectively and safely.  

It is imperative to know exactly what you're up against in any business venture you decide to engage in. I understand the risks that I take in order to provide the services I do, both to clients as well as other providers.  

Bottom line is this, my friends. It is not the year 1995. It is the year 2017. If we all stand around and wish for the "good ol' days" when law enforcement was concerned with drugs, we'd all turn to dust.  

So really, until you can catch a federal conviction and end up in federal prison for only being a client, I suggest you count your blessings. That high level of entry not only protects me and my associates, it protects everyone who has ever or will ever see me.  

 
But again, you can always see folks that have different screening methods and requirements.  

And to be frank, if y'all are seriously so worried about your information getting out there, why do less than 5% of clients actually utilize email services that allow for end-user encryption for both users? We can have protonmail and hushmail and Virtru accounts until the cows come home but it doesn't mean a thing unless you all utilize them too.  

Come on, now.

Hear, Hear, I second that!

She's right ya know....I'm just saying.

Agreed, Neil.  I'm headed to Chicagoland for business the first couple days of the week,and wanted to book some companionship.  The four girls I was really interested in... all work for a couple different agencies that expect my driver's license (photo/scan of it no less), employer job title, etc.  No way, no thanks, adios ladies.  That's way too much.  

When it gets to be that much information, we have no idea who is sitting on the other side of the computer receiving that... and they can say "we promise we'll delete your information" all they want... I can't trust it.  Likewise, what a wonderful tool for LE someday... all of that information.  Again, no thanks.  Not worth it.  

Maybe I'll be lonely sitting in a hotel in the Northern burbs... but I also won't be blackmailed, extorted, or find out my identity is being used by 50 people in a year.  

Blackmail, extortion etc, really?

Wow, first off, it is a small percentage of providers (usually drug abusers and ones with pimps) that are like that (involved in extortions/blackmails and robberies). Granted, yes, you hear those stories and it doesn't seem worth it. But a vast majority of us independent mature providers are less likely to be drama filled and drug abusers. I have some great mature clients and I love what I do. I don't get involved in their private lives and every one of them in the last two years I have been verifying did not have problems providing what I needed to feel secure in entertaining them at my private townhouse. Yes, I require two methods of verification but I am guessing the complaining gentlemen are not ones I would have much fun with anyway so it's easy to cut them off rather quick with a no. Thank you, you have provided me with another blog topic tonight.