Hi everyone. I'm kind of new at this. But I was wondering where I post to let people know about horrible service leading up to a date?

is to post either here or on the Hobbists only board.  You can't write a review of an appt you never had or never paid for per TER rules

It is true that you can't write a review that never happened, but yours is just one more example of people giving advice when they don't have a clue.

What you can do is make a post on your regional board describing whatever behavior turned you off enough to never consummate an appointment in the first place. By "service" I have to assume the OP meant "customer service" and that is anything that is reviewable here.

for you all to discuss ladies and their services.  In case you do not know where that is it is under the *More* option at the top of the page.  Really, and example of giving advice when they don't have a clue?  I only offer advice when I think I have something to add, but then maybe you are not privy to the reviewers only board?

Gambler is a veteran...he surely knows about the reviewers only board and is just messing with you, Sage.  

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i always get phenomenal service before i get serviced..you are probably up tight..just chill and enjoy..

and no they did not "change the name" it's always been the RO board.

It's also a rather worthless board, and it leaks like a sieve, if you don't believe me, just ask MacLeaky. lol

but Sage is correct that you can't write a review UNLESS there actually was a session. You can write about experiences both good and bad here and on the RO board. With only five reviews the OP would not have access to the RO board as you need a minimum of 10 reviews PLUS a board presence to get access.

In case you are wondering how I gained access considering I have ZERO reviews, I was allowed access when I was a moderator here,and out of respect to the reviewers I only posted under my alias there as GaGamblerssmarterbrother"

If she doesn't want to get to the point where she's taking your money, hint- it's you.

This week I had a man text me 30-40 times and call literally 20 times (in the hour and a half leading up to the appointment)- not with new info, just to ask if there are more pictures, what I like, will I be there soon.  I was trying to get ready and get there!  Big surprise when 15 minutes before our appointment i messages him that yeah... This isn't happening.


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You make one call or email, have your screening info and time ready, she says yes or no.  Did she say no? Is that the bad service?  Did she say maybe and you never heard back?  Hint- that's a no.  You can't get in touch with her?  Stop trying, she'd get back in touch if she wanted the work.

Did she no show?  Because that's a legitimate complaint.  Otherwise, you aren't a "customer" until/unless she wants you to be, and if you don't like the way she conducts her very personal business, just move on.  Having a pre-service, service expectation is just obnoxious.

Such as a shitty attitude on the telephone, a dismissive or haughty response to an email, a lecture for not jumping through every one of her hoops. The list of things she "could have" done to put off the OP and cause him to make this post is a long one.

That said, most likely it is "him" and not "her" but there are literally thousands of things that she "could" have done for him to rightfully be a bit put off. I have to confess, I have made a few calls over the years to providers I was interested in seeing, and after hanging up the phone my only thoughts were "What a fucking bitch!!!"  I do admit that it never occurred to me to go to the lengths of trashing any of them on the boards for it, but that doesn't mean that at least a few of them didn't deserve it.

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I clearly said "it is most likely him and not her" but I DID allow for the fact that your side is not perfect either. Some times women can be a bitch, you can't possibly deny that, or claim that all women are all right all the time. That's just ridiculous, even if I allow for every thing that you have just said. You still need to admit that "sometimes" it is the woman's fault.

If you can't allow for even the slimmest possibility that some provider was rude or demanding in her "pre appointment" interactions with a client, then it's no wonder you don't post much.

That...didn't even occur to me.

Guess I wasn't able to think outside my own experiences there- anyone who is remotely reasonable with me gets a nice attitude back.  I was just thinking about when I cut off someone I feel will be a time waster.  I do it politely but I still sometimes get a nasty response.  Usually has a ring to it that the OP made me think of.

So oops, please carry on amongst yourselves.

Or she just was having a bad day and needed to rant?
 

If a provider treats me poorly before we meet, I happily assume the in-person experience will also be poor and move on.  If a took my car to a mechanic and he called me "stupid" that would end our relationship.  My ego might want me to go to Yelp and post a review but life is too short to fight empty battles.  The worse case scenario is a telephone conversation with a charming woman who upon arrival tells you "you better not take too long."

On occasion, providers do not return an initial email, so I move on.  As for these Board discussions, I have decided not to see a few providers based on their comments.  On the other hand, I have visited two providers based on discussion board repartee. And, I have some other providers that I want to visit based on their discussion board comments and style.

You are one of the few "people", which means Man or Woman, with enough sense to actually read something that somebody else has written, and after reading it, say to yourself (and to us) "Wow, I never thought about it that way, maybe I should reconsider" THAT is a sign of an intelligent person and I hope you do more posting and not less.

Many, if not most posters simply dig in their heels and insist that they were right all along. Your response gives me hope.

BTW I too will eat my words when I am wrong, and with around thirty thousand posts on the various boards here, I have been wrong A LOT!!! lol

Fascinating to find a Londoner visiting our board. I occasionally check links out for those who post thoughtful comments
WOW. Your website shows you to be Such an inviting young beauty!!
Please tell me you're planning a US tour and need a Chicago guide.

Was she non-communicative? Did she not confirm? Did she essentially waste your time once the appointment was booked? All inappropriate. I value my time, and treat clients as I'd like to be treated.  

Did you have to jump through hoops? Was her screening method not something you'd like to deal with? Was she rude, dismissive, or snarky for no apparent reason? Take your business elsewhere.  

But really? Unless we know what happened that you deem to be poor service, there's not a lot of advice to give or much opinion to be had.

simply by clarifying what the hell she allegedly did to him. Then the rest of us could argue about more important things. I mean it's not like we are going to quit arguing, but arguing about something made as clear as mud by the OP is starting to seem like a waste of time.

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Coming from the other side this post seems fair to me. It's probably easy to forget you are dealing with all of the things you mentioned including and especially your personal stuff. I can't imagine, but wonder...how many inquires ARE you women dealing with?? It must be a pain. I have always assumed when someone was short/curt in a response that they were just busy. It seems like most do their communication from their phones and I picture those phones just chiming incessantly. it must get annoying as hell. At least after you've been in it for a while.  

BUT...my guess is right after you post an ad you get this surge in this sort of thing. So..you almost have to brace yourself for it. And if you find yourself getting fed up with it quickly then maybe you're starting to grow tired of the process generally. When it's just a job and you resent it, you're going to be worse at it then if you don't feel that way. That applies to any job. And maybe that comes through obviously in your communication? So there's two sides...as always.

and I think your points about asking to do things you have said "no" to and telling you that you are not easy to get a hold of are valid.  

But the point you make about asking questions, even if they are posted on your website..is misguided. Guys are trying their level best to find the best experience possible. It's an expensive and risky thing. Isn't it fair to ask questions? If worded appropriately and asked properly? Seems like not only something you should expect, but embrace. Maybe you have to filter through all the noise to find that person you think is truly interested and ready to decide before you entertain their questions, but once they have 'passed' that test, then you should accommodate their questions. You're selling , they're buying. That process , for the money, requires hand-holding on your part. If you don't get that, then you don't understand the other half of this equation, or you don't care enough to try.

Your website might be the best marketing piece on earth, but if you don't the time and effort to sell the 'real' you, which is what guy's are trying to find when making these choices, I think that's offputting to this side

Which doesn't take much I will admit. I think our most active poster has four posts this month. lol

Okay, so I guess I REALLY need to clear things up. This provider, which has amazing reviews btw, states in her ad to either e-mail her or call her.

Day 1
I sent and e-mail and never heard back. I called her, but it goes directly to voicemail and an auto text response. So, I texted her. 2 hours later she responds back with just one word replies. Each reply is several hours apart or I need to send her another text... which she then doesn't even remember texting me beforehand, almost like she automatically deletes her texts. She asks me several times where I'm located even though I've already stated. By this time, it's already too late to schedule a date. This exchange was about 6 hours.

Several Days Later (She still hasn't replied back to my initial e-mail)
11AM: I texted her stating I wanted to meet with her for 8pm. She tells me that she needs to check her schedule. 3PM: Haven't heard back and ask her if 8pm works... she doesn't remember talking to me. She says it's fine (pretty immediate response). And we go for verification. I give her info. For the next 5 hours, I text a few times to see if verification went through. Tells me not yet... have to wait awhile to get a response from her. At 8, she finally tells me that verification wasn't working and they tried several times to verify. I'm obviously upset and I let her know that the service was very unprofessional. She calls me and basically tells me it was my fault. So let me get this straight: for 5 hours, verification doesn't work... all you had to do was tell me that it wasn't working and I could've tried another reference. And how are the late replies my fault?

As you can see, this wasn't a simple 2 call exchange. That's why I was very upset... she basically wasted my entire evening. I'm pretty much over it now and really don't care. I had NO IDEA that this post would garner this much of a response :/

This was definitely more than just a 2 call exchange. I'm respectful when communicating with a lady and I understand that they don't have 24/7 abilities to reply back to me within 10 seconds of my text. I'm fully aware of that. But this experience was just bad. I posted a response explaining what happened but there seems to be a long wait time for it to be actually posted.  

Dani, I totally understand your frustration and I can assure that my experience was nothing like this. I understand that you ladies can't reply within 10 seconds of a text. You have your own lives, you have your clients, travel time, prep time etc. I get it. However, the situation I went through was well beyond this. This wasn't just one day of "bad pre-appointment demeanor," but both times I tried contacting her.

You might conclude that she's a drug addict or something from this, but other explanations are also possible. On day 1, it seems like she was just very busy. Unlike you, she might have been texting with a dozen different potential clients, so she might have had to ask multiple times to avoid mixing you up with other potential clients. The main issue several days later seems to be that you couldn't get verified. You haven't given any details of how you tried to verify, so for all we (and TER) know, it could be your fault.  

I definitely think that it is a good idea that TER does not allow clients who can't get verified to write reviews. Otherwise clients could use the threat of a bad review to avoid verification, which would make this business more risky for all of us.

Fair enough. I used my work reference. I've used in the past and I've never had an issue with it. I used my work reference for the asian girls and they have some strict reference checks. She had 5 hours to check my reference... after the second hour she could have asked me for a different reference. But, like I said before, her communication was lackluster, to say the least.  

But, as I said, I got over it and it's no big deal to me. She has nothing but great reviews and I wish her well. As for me, there's plenty of fish in the sea.

Ummmm, so yeah, that clearly is not what happened with me lol. I try to keep communications to a minimum because 1) I know you ladies already have a busy life and 2) the more messages I send, the more the lady gets suspicious/annoyed.

BTW, I love your little inferences lol. Never did I say nor infer that she was a drug addict. Yes, she might've been busy, but if it was the same type of service on the other day, then that's a pattern.

Also, when you talk about clients and reviews, I don't see any reviews from you at all. Please contribute to the community with a review here and there so we know that YOU have the justification of making those kinds of statements lol. Gotta love the trolls/leachers hahaha

You seem to be assuming that she's got nothing to do other than screen you and then see you later. If she's independent, she probably doesn't have anyone to check the references for her. Since she's well reviewed, she might be pretty busy. Maybe you'd have a lot better luck if you get screened at least a day in advance.

I post under my alias when I say something that someone might object to. Occasionally, you see the favorite providers of clients get attacked on this board for something the client says. I don't want to hurt my favorite providers with something I say on the discussion boards, so I post under my alias. I have done a lot of reviews on this and other sites.

I didn't say that you thought that she was a drug addict. I listed this as one possibility. The fact is that you don't have any idea of what the reason for your difficulties was. But, you don't seem to be clued into the fact that agencies have people that man the phones all the time, whereas independent ladies usually do not. If you would be a little more patient with your communications, you might find it very rewarding. Once you've actually been screened by an well reviewed independent lady, you'll probably find that the communications are a bit easier.

...and could be either a provider or a client. But the alias doesn't show reviews,
Even if the person behind the alias has written a bajillion reviews.  

Not to mention; "reviews" do not equate to "community participation".

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It was both of your faults. She's either swamped with requests and doesn't have an assistant or she's disorganized or both. She doesn't sound very organized and her communication skills pretty much suck.

OTOH, attempting to get verified in 5 hours is unreasonable. She'd have to have no business at all if she could verify you that quickly. Most of the time, providers don't return reference requests promptly if at all so it can takes days to screen. Funny how a few providers want that instant reply back to reference request so they can see a new client but won't respond quickly when it's their turn.

Your mistake was continuing trying to see her when she's non-responsive. We've all been there, we just have to see this particular provider, she's eating at us but she's disorganized or disinterested in our business. She obviously doesn't respond to emails and when it's the day of and you're still not screened, it's not happening. Move on no matter how much she's peaked your interest.

I conceded there could be a real pre-service, service issue.  But now we know that i called it, this kid, obviously a kid, just felt entitled to ridiculous amounts of attention.  The women here are flipping out because we recognized your tone.

My "how could there be bad service on a two message exchange" was exactly the point, dear.

Barring the bad attitude issues mentioned earlier, which seem to not be the case here, there really COULDN'T be bad service over the course of a reasonable number of contacts. "Each reply is several hours apart or I need to retext her?"  No...you don't. And the whole exchange was 6 hours... Maybe she's doing other things?  Of course it's nice to respond right away and most of us try, but a reasonable (grown) man wouldn't be infuriated by even the full six hours as one wait.  You're KIDDING ME that you don't understand why the late replies are your fault.  How is she supposed to get her paperwork done when you are nagging the hell out of her?

Are you using a faulty email provider or terrible phone service?  Fix that.  Otherwise you send one, then she sends one. Repeat.  She got it, really.  This is a pretty absolute rule while you're hanging out at client-applicant status.  If her response speed doesn't suit your style, just move on.  

Then, why did you wait several days, only to again try for a same day appointment?  Sorry, but you wasted her entire evening.  Perhaps next time masturbate before it gets THAT URGENT!!!  Also, for those asking about minimum ages, I have no other knowledge of the OP's age, but *cough, cough* under 35 *cough, cough*

Btw: No, none of you guys here are nagging me.  The rules are 100% different once there is some rapport and especially once acquainted.  

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LoL This is actually really funny now. I had no idea this post was gonna bring out some really touchy feelings... I feel like there needs to be like a group therapy session in which everyone gets everything out :P. My intent wasn't to ruffle all these feathers.... I mean damn! lol It was just a simply question in the OP, but everyone just blew up on it lol. You guys really need to just let it out every once in awhile instead of going off on the new guy for making a 3 sentence post (more like 1 because the first 2 were fragments) haha. I haven't even stated who the lady in question is, FOR HER PRIVACY, and this never was an attempt to get a discounted/free session. Also, people, stop trying to PM me for her name.  

And I forgot who said it, but something about how I feel like I'm entitled... not really entitled. If I see that a provider has excellent, top-notch reviews, I guess I have some level of expectation during the setup phase of our date. I don't feel entitled to automatically gain a lady's trust... I just try to keep it short and sweet. I guess where I come from we're a tighter community because we have our own local boards. That way it keeps both the hobbyists and the ladies accountable to each other.

And to the lady that called me out on my age... was that really necessary? lol Did I personally attack you? Did I personally offend you? *cough cough*... I mean who does that *cough cough* thing anymore lol. I think you're genuinely angry/upset at me lol. Even I didn't make a personal attack on the person that this was originally about. I just slept this off and I was fine the next day... apparently *cough cough* you're not lol. I'm sorry for bringing up, what appears to be, a lot of deeply repressed feelings... you should make your own post and just let it ALLLLLL out. It seems like you have long list of gripes lol.  

C'mon, the weather's nice, the sun is out... be happy; I am and I'm the one that started this thread and have been getting crapped on lol.

MissMarieM, sure, you may think I'm entitled, you may think that I'm a kid... "but damn baby, you so fine" (a la Fresh Prince). Honestly, your... fire? (don't know if that's the right word) is such a turn on. I'm actually really interested in meeting you, I'm totally being serious lol. I think our date would be like that scene from Mr. and Mrs. Smith haha. I may be a "kid," but I haven't received any complaints from here or my original city :P

Have a great day and enjoy the weather

That'll put you last on her priority list lol

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I don't know if you've seen any of my other posts, but I'm the opposite of cool about keeping up with lingo. :P

Yeah it struck a nerve, because it pretty much is my entire list of gripes.  I actually do see younger guys, my youngest regular is 24; usually guys who are just like me- absolute geeks who spend all of their time focused on work.  I can totally identify, so I'm not ever going to have a minimum age.  However... Well, at this point that turning bad fast is the only rough situation I never see coming.  It's frustrating.

I just said there "could be" legitimate reasons for the OP to be upset, and I further conceded that it most likely was a "him and not her" issue.lol

That said. Yes you are right. An email, followed by several phone calls, followed by a text, all before he's even heard back from her once. and then the whole "are you done yet?" over a course of several hours. Yes, this was his bad, not hers.

and since you did concede that "I could be right" I guess the least I can do is pay up. where do you want me to send your nickel??? lmao

and furthermore, yes he does sound like a kid. is there anything else I am forgetting while I am at it? lol

Now that I am done kissing ass, I will restate for the record that yes, bad "service" can and does happen before there is any actual date, but I completely agree that was NOT the case in this situation.

BTW I almost always make same day dates, it's not just the short notice that is the issue here. When I make a request for a same day appointment. I usually make it through P411 where screening most often only takes a matter of minutes and if a lady cannot accommodate a short notice date, I don't get all bent out of shape about it, I simply move on to the next lady who I am attracted to. It's not really rocket science. Maybe the OP will figure it out some day, but today does not look to be that day.

It was a 7:30am call that went sooooo wrong.  Interesting.

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