What is the logic in a provider requiring more of a donation for the 4th half hour than the third half hour?
Example: one hour$300; 90 minutes $400; two hours$550.
she thinks the 2hr is a little long for her taste but considers 90mins the perfect date. It certainly encourages a guest to do 60 or 90mins over the 2hr. Most ladies mirror their gifting to encourage what they want. If you look at the gifting and the shorter appts seem unrealistically high then they are looking to cater to longer sessions, if the longer sessions seem higher then they are looking to see guests for shorter times.
Not to be argumentative but your rate structure does not seem to match your intent. You list the following rates: 350 for 1 hour, 550 for 90 minutes, 700 for 2 hours, and 1050 for 3 hours. This means you don't give any discount for longer sessions, you are just increasing your rates between 60 and 90 minutes. You are effectively discouraging anyone from making a 90 minute appointment but aren't doing anything to encourage a customer to make a 2 hour or longer appointment. I'm not arguing that you don't have the right to charge anything you want, but want to make sure you understand that you are discouraging clients from booking for 90 minutes. I have seen this with other providers rate structures as well and always found it curious as to how they determined theilr rates. they may indeed have logical reasons for doing it, but as a client it often does not make sense to me. It would seem to me that the longer the appointment goes the lower rate should be. As you spread your fixed costs of lodging transportation etc over multiple hours you can lower your rates and still be making more money per hour.
If you're looking at her per/minute rate, than the best deal is one hour. Her 90 minute rate is slightly more expensive with no discount as is her two hour with no discount. All this means is she prefers 60 minute appointments whereas other providers might prefer 90 minutes.
Every girl prefers a certain appointment length and adjusts her rates accordingly. There's no point in criticizing her for her preference just as there's no point in criticizing providers who give the best deals at 90 minutes or two hours. Some providers like higher volume while others prefer lower volume.My apologies if my response came off as being negative. As I said everyone has a right to set their own rates and they may be working off some logic that I don't know. The problem is that in her post she said, "personally I enjoy extended dates (2+ hours), so I offer heavy discounts for those dates", but according to her website she does not offer a discount. My criticism was intended to be constructive to help her realize why she may not be getting the 2 hour appointments that she is hoping for.
She does state above that she offers heavy discounts for 2 hours+ but there's no discount whatsoever on her web site. Sorry, you were correct.
It would be nice if she explained why she posted as she did while her site shows something different.In the example cited by Emiglio you are absolutely right, Sage. I do understand the reasoning as well. Personally I like longer appointment times but when I have met some providers for the first time I know that some of them have been nervous to book a longer time period. If I'm socially inept or rude or just plain hideous 2 hours can be an eternity. It makes sense to me that you would offer no upfront rate reduction, or a very minimal one, prior to meeting a client. What doesn't make sense to me is that the offer is rarely made even after the initial meeting. I would think it would make great business sense for a provider to say to a client, "I really enjoyed our time and would like to spend more with you" and then offer a reduced rate for an extended visit. It ultimately boosts the hourly rate of the provider and the ego of the client. A win-win for both sides. I know it's easy to be a "back sheet" driver and I truly respect the business acumen of many women in this business. This just seems to be an area where improvements could be made.
however while your example seems awesome the issue becomes that if they do not have a lower rate available why would she take you and then potentially turn down someone else for full rate? Also what comes up is that you then would have to remember who you offered what rate to for how long. For many they just don't want to have info around so they can keep track and trying to remember just is not going to happen so do you just take the guys word for it when he shorts you on a return visit that you talked about that gifting he left her though she might not remember it? I just foresee all kinds of issues happening with this. Especially since some guys can't keep info like this to themselves, so might add detail about it in a review(has happened before) and now other guests are wondering why they never in fact got offered that special gifting(some take that in and of itself personally and don't return because of that detail only, that they did not get a special offer when someone else did). I know there are some who after the 1st visit are less worried about the clock so you are more likely to get extra time even though it is usually just BSing time.
There are ladies like me who do stagger gifting for guests, past guests, and frequent past guests to encourage gentlemen to come back. There are even providers like myself who offer frequent past guests entrance into a mailer where they get special gifting as long as they visit frequently to stay on the mailer. There are also ladies who have a mailer where if they choose to run a special they may not offer it publicly but only on her mailer. From experience it is hard to have different gifting for the same time slot, trying to remember what each person was qualified to pay so you really have to be on top of your menu to do so. Sometimes I wish I just had a flat rate because even having my rates for years sometimes I flub it up and can't remember what a certain guest qualifies for. My rule of thumb is new guest is someone I have never had a session with, past guest I have seen at some point in my past, and frequent past guest I have seen often enough I do not need to look them up to know they are ok and we have visited before. Even if I have seen you 6 times offer the past 5yrs if I can't remember you by name and voice and have to look you up then you are not a frequent past guest even with 6 visits in. These are just my thoughts seeing that I instituted this already and try my best to make sure returns know they are valued to me... Take care, Sage
Maybe she is just horrendous at math
Well thought out and intelligent. As always you live up to your name, Sage. I had not considered that trying to keep it all straight without keeping records would be a considerable challenge. You definitely have the experience and business savvy to make this work well and others could learn from you. Happen to know that you share that knowledge with others and if you're a provider new to the business you would do well to to consult with Sage. I still hold to my original premise that many providers should put more emphasis on building repeat clientele. If you add up the costs of advertising, verifying, and the general stress of a first meeting required to gain a new client, that encouraging repeat clients would be a key business strategy.
I really like your idea of giving additional time to those you like. My only thought would be that the provider should be a little explicit about it. As a good client I try to be respectful of a provider's time. I don't want to make a provider "break the spell" and tell me that it's time for me to go, so when my time is up I try to be the one making a move toward the door. It would be awesome if, in the midst of post coital snuggling, she were to say, "I like you and I'm free for the next half hour. Would you like to stick around?" Thanks again for the reply post. I am always fascinated by the business side of this whole venture and love hearing the thought process behind providers' business strategies. My favorite fantasy is to retire and offer consulting services to women new to the business. I'd help with marketing strategies, lodging, transportation, accounting, legal advice and, of course, provide personal counseling to acquire and expand skills in intimacy. A guy can dream, can't he?I visit cam sites where the models offer different types of raffles to win various prizes like videos for example, and it never surprises me how bad the math is for the raffle tickets. In the raffle case, the girl wants you to purchase more raffle tickets and will often discount if you buy more tickets. But every other raffle has poor math involved.
I'll see something like 10 raffle coupon = $100, 20 coupons = $175, 50 coupons = $350, 100 coupons = $800. I think a similar thing is happening here. Too many providers make simple math errors. I don't buy the argument that the provider simply prefers 90 minute sessions over 2 hour sessions. That might only be true for a small minority where these errors occur. I've never understood it either, OP. Especially for the providers who claim to be very low-volume providers. I only understand it if a provider is seeing 5, 6, 7 or more guys in one day. But even then, after you allocate for the time in between dates that you have to give yourself, it still makes sense to offer discounts for longer hours.For me, that's $100 below my minimum- we all have our bottom line, which, below that, it's not worth it to us.