I get calls from gentlemen asking if I will see them for for about half of my regular donation. Of course I decline the offer....Just curious, do other providers negotiate their donations??

The great thing about this business is that you literally have your own ;-D

Since it's not on the GD or NB board, should I still do this?

I saw all the rates going up and I decided to lower my hourly
I can't keep up with the demand. I see 2 gentlemen a day.
And I am saving like a wildcat
Even though I lowered my hourly rate most gentlemen book 90 mins or two hours
My regulars still give me my 300 hour rate
My rates outside the Carolinas are still a bit lower than average but I don't have as much overhead
I do not negotiate my rates
I do offer a discount when I need to reschedule  
I advertise on BP which is Now Trending ‼️
The gentlemen on BP do not try and negoitiate with me
I notice some ladies have a statement in their sites about no negotiating, perhaps you might want to try that
♥️ Carolina

Many ladies do very well by negotiating.

Many wont admit doing it publicly however.

If you don't like the offer you can counter it, as many choose to.

It all depends upon your situation.

You said you cant keep up with demand so you lowered your rates? Wouldn't that cause you to increase them?

And yes, many ladies have the "I dont negotiate" note on their thread but most still do. It is usually right next to the "no sex for money" disclaimer and we all know the truth about that.

Enjoy your day SC!

My rate per hour fits my personality
It's not about me. I know men need sex and my rate gives them a lot of bang for their bucks

Instead of trying to impress everybody with false bravado as in "I Never negotiate"  she lowered her hourly rate but was rewarded by not only getting more customers, but still pulling in at least as much out of each date anyhow, despite the lower "minimum"

Good for you SC, I have to admit, that I am more likely to book a woman at $250 rather than a similar woman at $300, and then what is quite ironic is that if I am pleased, I usually leave $300 anyhow. I don't care so much about the fifty bucks as I do having it demanded of me. I guess that is just one of my character flaws. lol

Nice to see someone clearly concerned about their client and his needs for a change.  

You seem to enjoy and appreciate your guys.

Some gals need a suitcase full of liquor to get thru a session or a bad tour to Florida. LOL

Glad to see you are not one of them.

Take care Sexy C.

I wish more gals had your attitude!

the Trolls are everywhere..

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I was just pointing out a fact Julia.

I know you feel the need to indoctrinate the boards, but gals really do negotiate all the time.

I do it for win/win purposes.

Think about this: Why would gals do it if it didn't benefit them?

That an open discussion isn't allowed on this and other boards when certain individuals express their opinions. Don't you agree?

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Are recent and accurate pics. Don't you agree?

That's why she is in the indoctrination game here. She only wants what SHE wants "out there", the truth is irrelevant. Case in point? She said I claimed all girls should negotiate. Of course she made that up as she loves to distorts people words.  

And did you notice she totally dodged my question? Yep! Many ladies haggle and many give OTC time as an extra value benefit or because they genuinely like hanging out with someone. Why do they do it? Clearly it benefits them to do so or they wouldn't do it, now would they?  

The hilarious part of her post is that she feels because she "met" a girl, she then knows that girls private business habits. Lol.
Oh if she only really knows what goes on! But something tells me she does, she chooses not to share the truth openly what goes on.

But that's ok to. She can hobby as she wishes and I will continue to hobby as I wish; seeking tons of OTC and negotiating a rate where two people win.

One would just think though, that with all the controversy swirling about her and business practices that are well documented here and many other boards, she would just worry about herself and not what everyone else is doing.

She has enough there to keep her busy, one would think.

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I am sure that is not ok with you, now that you know. Maybe she shouldn't be knocking anyone here? Just a thought.

considering how "classy" she is, Or would she???

and maybe Ripple poured out of a crystal decanter is still just Ripple? lmao

But then some are just savvier biz folk than the rest of us. Where oh where did all that free 'publicity' disappear to? Jus curious......

Of course as you have said before, it's tough to keep your image while slumming. We know how you feel about "negotiating" how do you feel about Back Page? Do you feel it "cheapens the brand" to advertise there, or does that only apply to accepting a lower offer when times are tough?

FWIW, there is no shame to admitting times are tough. Every business suffers through tough times, even "rich oil guys" like myself. There is no shame in admitting it. Actually some of us find honesty refreshing.  Personally I like seeing women who appreciate the money I pay them, much more than the women who act like they are doing me a favor by taking my money, and will only do so if I jump through the endless hoops they demand from me.

I've never understood guys looking for discounts, I know how frustrating it is when someone I'm doing work for tries to haggle prices, why would you want to start off on the wrong foot with a lady?  Seems to me that even if she does lower the price she's going to be thinking about that and you're not likely to have a good experience.

that's my .02 anyway, everyone has their own deal

So I have a question for the ladies that use BP, how much are their ads compared to other places like EROS or P411?

anyone care to share, Corrine? JLS? GallopingGourmet? anyone??? lol

If a gentleman gets a special deal, he should keep his mouth shut about it!

Steph xoxo

If other guys are spending less on a girl i.e. she is negotiating with them, you would still rather pay full freight?

I mean sure, that is your decision, but is her "real" rate the rate she accepts and not the rate she advertises?

Why do you think gals are less professional than I do? I don't get that part of your post re: them tanking the session.

Why in the world would they do that???

Thanks for your reply!

I appreciate your responses. It is always a concern when I see ladies that advertise a hh60 or  h100. I think to my self if everyone was in the same (donation) ballpark it would make much more sense. I see the providers advertise low ball (pardon the pun) donations and think....why are they doing that! Not that every provider is the same and offers the same experience, but, h300 and h100 is a big difference.  

Gentlemen: would you see a provider that is 100/hour at a not so safe location???

I've never considered this an industry where haggling is accepted, maybe I'm looking at it wrong but I'm no more likely to e-mail a lady and say "$250 is too steep, can I see you for $175" than I am to walk into a fine restaurant and ask for a discounted steak.

I want to get the best value for my money, which means I try to show up on time, be clean and considerate and treat a lady with respect, I'm not necessarily saying they're not professional but to me it seems like negotiators fall into the category of guys that ladies prefer not to deal with.  I'm a professional and I try to do a good job for all my customers but I'll also admit that if 2 people want something done and 1 pays on time with no problems and one drags payment out or isn't easy to deal with guess who gets the better service.

Seems to me like the real rate would be the advertised rate, I do see where ladies offer specials from time to time and I've been fortunate enough to receive non advertised specials and be grandfathered in when rates increase but IMO that's a different scenario than asking outright for a discount or special.

And I don't negotiate a 1 hour rate or a two hour rate for that matter.

I tend to see gals for 4 hours mostly and the gals have a lot more wiggle room with the price, just like if you bought 9 gift cards at a restaurant, they give you the 10th one free at many places.

No, I believe in "win/win" negotiating. For example, a girl has a $2000 price tag for 4 hours and I offer her $1500. Many will accept on the spot and others will not.

But some will say "Jack If you can see me late at night, or early in the morning, or on a Sunday night...I can do that rate."

In other words, if you can give the girl money on a day or time slot where she would have received nothing, many in this game on the gal side will jump at that and be appreciative of it.

Some here think negotiating is grinding the girl into the dirt where she hates me at the end of it. Nothing could be further from the truth.  

If done respectfully, tactfully and giving the girl a "win" too, negotiating can benefit all parties.

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Lack of communication can lead to missed opportunities.

There are times in life when negotiating is acceptable, expected and considered the norm. There are others when negotiating is tacky, disrespectful and classless. I feel the latter applies to this hobby. If a lady's rates are above my comfort level, I move on. No contact will be made.

Now, there are some ladies that offer their regulars a discount. Some advertise it. Some don't. I've been offered discounts for repeat visits a few times over the years. Granted, I only do foot fetish sessions and the discounts were only offered once they saw that I really was content with them baring nothing more than their feet. So sometimes I wonder...how many other ladies expecting 6-- and up for a couple of hours would actually be content with 4-- to 5-- for a couple of hours with the same limitations mentioned. But wonder is all I do because the door between us is shut and locked. I won't insult her with a lesser offer of what she expects and she makes no mention on her site or in her ads anything that would lead me to believe we actually could be a good match for each other, so our paths never really cross. Every once in a while, I believe things would turn out differently if someone produced a key to that locked door

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...depending on where you are located as far as E**s is concerned and how often you post on BP.

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and what is with this sudden desire of yours to fuck everyone in the ass with your strap on? Are you planning a fourth persona that specializes in this service? If so, please count me out.

Just how many years do you think you will have to save your hooker money to buy TER, and do you really think that running BP ads is going to get you there?

I know you think we are all "picking on you" but you make for quite the easy target. Claiming you are booked solid, and so "in demand" that you have quit advertising at all, and at the same time running BP ads make it almost impossible NOT to bask in the irony of your conflicting statements/actions.

There is no shame in admitting that times are tough, and that things might be a bit slow. Don't take it as a personal defeat, look at all the positive responses that SC got when she admitted she had lowered her rate by just a tad. No one accused her of being desperate or cheap, I don't think she got a single negative response, not even from us so called "women haters"

I know you are the expert in all things hooker related, but maybe you could take a lesson from SC where it comes to honesty and speaking from the heart, and not saying just what you think will make you look good?

Some women act as if they are selling us a piece of their soul, instead of a bit of your time, with some sex thrown in.

Great post, even though it sounds almost as if you copied and pasted one of Jacks posts from the guys POV. lol

BTW since "someone" is going to say it. Great threAD, and that's with a capital "G". this is one threAD that I completely support and I hope it brings you a ton of business. I don't think anything is more important to a client than knowing he is appreciated. Well that and great tits and ass of course. lol

Firstly, I am glad to see another provider asking other providers directly. (High five!)
Secondly, I do haggle (SOMEWHAT) but only on multiple hours, and only beforehand.  I think of this more or less akin to the wording of "bulk discount."  
When Mr. Client calls to book, I know that if he is only requesting ONE hour, no, sorry, there isn't much "wiggle room." If I am exorbing the expense of the in-call location, travel, child-care, wardrobe requests, beauty regime expenses, my time preparing & energy in total.... No, no negotiations. I already have a pretty low rate (I think!)  
Now if a man wants to book multiple hours, it is pretty much granted that your profit index is going to go up on that particular call.

(This is basic math.  
If a provider charges $200/1 hour-
She could book 3 calls on 3 days, at 1 hour each, make $600-
She has had to get ready 3 times, travel 3 times, in my case hire a babysitter 3 times, get 3 rooms...
Basically 3x expenses, be it time or money as the investement.
 
Now if the same said provider, has one client wanting to book a 3-hour appointment, she could stand to earn nearly the same or more; (more profit)  due to her expenses (time & intial investment) are less for 1 appointment versus 3 seperate appointments.  
(I have found this to be true in my case, at least, I can not vouch for any other provider.)

 
I am willing to go down a smidge on a multi-hour; IF the man is a gentleman about it, IF his behavior is good, and IF he actually knows how to communicate this- in a politely worded request (via email, not last minute with the envelope in hand, that is VERY tacky.) A deserving gentleman who is trying to use his fiscal side is not a bad guy in my book, I myself can be very fiscally minded.  
I also do have it worded on my website.... (as follows...)

Do I negotiate on a 1 hour appointment? Hell no! I would tell that tight wad to kick rocks.
Do I negotiate multi-hours? You best well believe it! Do I feel like it "devalues my brand"? No, not at all. I am a human being, not a brand. I live in a REAL world with real people, and (SHOCKER) my clients are real people as well!
Would I hate to miss out on an appointment because I was greedy over $? Yes. I would.
I have often booked lower, and been shocked that the envelope was loaded with more than I asked for INTIALLY as posted anyways....  (Crazy how the minds of men work, but I'd rather give willingly than feel like I am being held for ransom...  Similar thought process?)  
A little empathy for the other shoe on the other foot sometimes goes a lot farther down the road than you would realize at first glance.... (Here I go into Ellie-May mode....... LMAO!)  
And now for my country-girl swag....
"Some eggs in your basket, are better than none, however, make sure the juice is worth the squeeze... " -Foxy

I hope this clears this up, at least from my perspective.
In the end though, you have to decide what is best for YOU.  

I'm grateful to all my awesome clients, my more than awesome reviewers, you sustain me, and allow me to have the MOST valuable thing of all... MORE TIME for my Grams (no nursing home for her!), for my kid (no daily daycare or after school program for my kid!), for my passions & interests (so I don't have to spend 8/12/14 hours a day punching a clock for pennies!)  
 I value each & every dollar you bring me; It enables me to have FREEDOM & the MEANS to live a higher quality life!  
I'm grateful AND humble enough to appreciate YOU ALL!  
Happy & Safe Hobbying to Ya'll!

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Not all threADs are a bad thing, and IMO yours was great.

I don't doubt that you intention might not have been to try to attract attention/business to yourself, but if that is a side effect of your post, so much the better, right?

and after this post, i would have to say you are at LEAST 20% less BSC than the regular hookers. lol

Actually, the percentage of BSC hookers is rather low in my experience. I think they just post a bit more, and get a lot more notice than the overwhelming number of women who just go about their business and who don't get drawn into the drama. but if it weren't for BSC hookers, and equally BSC men around here, what would we do for fun on these boards?

But if the shoe fits, and you see it as such *shrugs shoulders*  

I actually think most of Jack's posts are "Ugh, this a**hole again? jesus No he DID NOT just say.... Grrr...." HOWEVER...
Right is right, and wrong is wrong, and I have to agree with him 100% on this issue.
I have had several of my clients complain about other providers with this attitude, and realized myself, "This is a BIG no-no." I don't want to leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth.... But I have to agree with what makes sense to me, and disagree with anything that "just ain't right." This is the stuff it took me a while to figure out on my own without asking anyone, but yeah, after reading Jack's response, I thought I would put my two cents in. So sue me! LOL! BUT the men weren't asked... T'was the ladies....

 
Love it how we all "make our own rules as we go along...." and pretend "our way" is the RIGHT way....  

Guess when I am asked by another provider, "How do you eat your Reece's cup?" I should only respond honestly!

 
but thankyou for calling me the "voice of reason" .....  I'm also 10% less BSC than the regular hookers! (LMAO!

Fox

But all three of them wisely decided not to defend her/their ads on BackPage after bragging about no longer advertising ANYWHERE. lol

Somebody needs to learn to recognize a joke. She was clearly kidding around and your response was unnecessarily harsh.

If you try paying attention sometime, instead of turning everything into some backhanded compliment...

Juuuuuust saying

My backhand is much better than my forehand. lol

and forehand or backhand, it still was a compliment

I prefer forehand, straight and direct, no salt or lime.  
Why pepper a compliment with back-handedness....?
UGH!

But don't worry, I ain't mad.
Matter of fact, I got you a T-shirt!

Let me know where to mail it to!
~Foxy