I'm relatively new to the hobby. I started out seeing independent ladies, and it never really occurred to me to tip. Lately I've been going the agency route, and I've been tipping about 20-25% at the beginning of the session.
How do y'all feel about tipping?First off, why would you tip for service....that you haven't received yet? Very few industries would that be considered normal. Tipping is usually for good service that you have received,
Secondly, while the hobby is often referred to as a profession, girls are hourly paid. Ha - so that's a conundrum - you don't tip salaried employees but generally tip hourly paid service workers. However, Despite your indelicate way of putting it, tipping a close to minimum wage service worker is completely different to tipping someone who is getting paid an hourly rate that a lawyer would be happy with. Third - there is no industry standard as in food or transportation service and frankly, the norm is zero. Again, very personal, but there is no assumed, traditional, expected or customary tipping amount for the hobby. For me, my norm is zero for all the above reasons - mainly the hourly rate is at a "professional" level. However, I have tipped some girls be generously over the years - mostly when they go well above and beyond in all dimensions and frankly, my eyes tend to be rolling back in my skull for that to happen Again, very personal.How do y'all feel about tipping?
I usually leave a little extra in the envelop. I picked this person for a reason, so I just figured it was expected. As you all can probably tell, I am a relative newbie.
I usually add a little to the envelop - just figured it was expected. Just my way of saying thanks for letting me live out my fantasy. In the real world, I never have a chance with most of these beautiful ladies.
Am I crazy?You're right, there are very few industries where it's normal to tip before you receive the service. But there's also very few service industries where you're expected to pay for the service up front.
The idea first occurred to me when I was reading someone's review of an agency girl, and he mentioned that when he met her he gave her one envelope with the agencies initials and another envelope with her initials. You could think of it as more of a gift than a tip, I suppose, but in order to make things more easily understood, I just thought it'd be better to ask people how they felt about tipping, rather than asking how they felt about monetary gifts. I mean some guys bring gifts - a bottle of wine, perfume, gift cards, etc. - and I assume they typically don't wait until after the date to give the gift. Also if I give the gift at the end of the session she won't be able to show her appreciation until I see her again, and when I see a lady there's always a chance I may never get to see her again.Secondly, while the hobby is often referred to as a profession, girls are hourly paid. Ha - so that's a conundrum - you don't tip salaried employees but generally tip hourly paid service workers. However, Despite your indelicate way of putting it, tipping a close to minimum wage service worker is completely different to tipping someone who is getting paid an hourly rate that a lawyer would be happy with.
Third - there is no industry standard as in food or transportation service and frankly, the norm is zero. Again, very personal, but there is no assumed, traditional, expected or customary tipping amount for the hobby.
For me, my norm is zero for all the above reasons - mainly the hourly rate is at a "professional" level. However, I have tipped some girls be generously over the years - mostly when they go well above and beyond in all dimensions and frankly, my eyes tend to be rolling back in my skull for that to happen
Again, very personal.
How do y'all feel about tipping?
I have to admit that I have struggled with this one as well... And I usually proceed by turning over the agreed donation at the start of the session, then pulling out a couple of bills from a back pocket as I'm getting prepared to leave.
My reasoning; that keeping the two separate also helps the provider keep her house and personal "accounts" organized if she's with an agency. And if she's not, then throwing in that 10%+ extra as we say bye is also her incentive to respond promptly should we choose to make contact again.
I would say about 25% or so of my "envelopes" have been fatter than required. Usually the extra is included upfront, but occasionally a gentleman will add extra at the end if he had a particularly outstanding time. For the record, tipping is not expected and if you choose to never do it I doubt any provider will hold it against you as long as you are a respectful client, pay her full rate, and don't overstay your time. Some of my favorite/best clients never tip, I would much rather see someone I click with who plans on seeing me again than someone who tips generously once and disappears.
However I'm Indy, I don't have to split my rate with anyone. I think tipping agency ladies is an especially nice gesture, I'm not sure what the particular split is at each agency but I think the owner keeps between 30-40% of each appointment. Also this lady likely knows much less about you before meeting than an indy who screens herself and has corresponded with you likely does. I think establishing a connection under those circumstances is a mark of exceptional service and given the pay structure I think tipping is an even nicer gesture than it is with Indy girls. I say good on you for doing it!...of the time just before leaving. It's not a tip if you give it at the beginning.
its like tipping your lawyer, doctor or financial planner.
if you got more then your moneys worth then tip if you
are so inclined....no need to overthink in the hobby.
First the disclaimer...
This is just my opinion (as always). My mental meanderings do not reflect the opinions of TER, other mongers, upscale gentlemen, downscale gentlemen, or any other human being on the planet. There is no right or wrong answer. There is no industry standard. It's all about how you want to do it.
It's not expected. Do what you want, but if you're only doing it in the beginning in hopes she will "show her appreciation" I'd say you might be disappointed.
To me, tipping in the hobby is the purest form. I tip in the hobby when the service is extra special. They aren't like waitresses who get paid a lower minimum wage and therefore need the tips. But if I'm blown away, I will show extra appreciation with a tip. I think, otherwise, just tipping at random in the beginning is slightly destructive to a providers expectations in the hobby. Do you typically pay more than the menu price or quote you are given in other industries?and if I do, it's usually not cash like I do with other service industries - barber, masseuse, waitress/server.
My tips with providers tends to be more like gifts, material things. Wines, outfits, things like that. On occasion, I'll give a gift card. I have added a Ulysses and/or a Benjamin bill on occasions. Your mental meanderings are spotless on, as always electr0nWhen the rates of providers I'd seen went up, but I wasn't grandfathered in, I stopped tipping. I was still giving them the same amount, just not with a "tip". If I'd been grandfathered in, I would give the same amount, including a tip.
Either you are a complete unknown to the lady and she is anxious that you don't screw her (metaphorically) OR you may be visiting a value-provider -- I.e. A lady that may be "street-wise", perhaps lower end of the market and asks for up-front payment because of bitter experience.
In my experience, that occurs very infrequently with higher end ladies or those that know you. I would say in my travels, I see 1 lady in 10 that asked for payment in advance, In that context, all finances are transacted at the conclusion of the visit - fee and any tip. Just like in any other service industry. YMMV of courseThe idea first occurred to me when I was reading someone's review of an agency girl, and he mentioned that when he met her he gave her one envelope with the agencies initials and another envelope with her initials.
You could think of it as more of a gift than a tip, I suppose, but in order to make things more easily understood, I just thought it'd be better to ask people how they felt about tipping, rather than asking how they felt about monetary gifts.
I mean some guys bring gifts - a bottle of wine, perfume, gift cards, etc. - and I assume they typically don't wait until after the date to give the gift.
Also if I give the gift at the end of the session she won't be able to show her appreciation until I see her again, and when I see a lady there's always a chance I may never get to see her again.
Secondly, while the hobby is often referred to as a profession, girls are hourly paid. Ha - so that's a conundrum - you don't tip salaried employees but generally tip hourly paid service workers. However, Despite your indelicate way of putting it, tipping a close to minimum wage service worker is completely different to tipping someone who is getting paid an hourly rate that a lawyer would be happy with.
Third - there is no industry standard as in food or transportation service and frankly, the norm is zero. Again, very personal, but there is no assumed, traditional, expected or customary tipping amount for the hobby.
For me, my norm is zero for all the above reasons - mainly the hourly rate is at a "professional" level. However, I have tipped some girls be generously over the years - mostly when they go well above and beyond in all dimensions and frankly, my eyes tend to be rolling back in my skull for that to happen
Again, very personal.
How do y'all feel about tipping?
Some of the ladies posts here? They were rather uh illuminating. Board termites?
what happened is the powers that be apparently did not like the slant of the thread and shut it down, then restarted it headed in a direction that was more "palatable' .......i aime à avaler tout....suzee