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St. Croix 449 reads
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California is a microcosm of the U.S. The tax burden is falling on fewer people. 50% of Americans receive some level of govt support. I don't know what the statistic is in California, but the population base today vs 30 years ago is different. This base is less educated, less skilled with little or no competencies. Whether we like it or not, they consume more in services than they pay in taxes, or should I say don't pay in taxes.

We do spend more on education, but the results are pathetic. Compare graduation rates from 30 years vs today. We could double education spending, and I guarantee the results will be the same.

Unfortunately California like most States are in the business of educating, incarcerating, and medicating, usually in that order. Again, I could show you some trending analysis on California's budget for the past 40 years. But your answer is like any other liberal answer, just tax more.

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That would be Justin Combs the son of none other than P Diddy himself. According to Forbes, P Diddy is worth $550 million.

        Any problem with that? UCLA say this is okay bc state money is not used to fund athletic scholarships. These scholarships we are told “ are entirely funded through UCLA Athletics ticket sales, corporate partnerships, media contracts and private donations from supporters.”

      But wait a minute. Isn’t state money used in part to pay Ben Howland $1.5 million to coach basketball, not to mention the salary of the football coach and salaries of the hundreds of other employees in the athletic department. This is a fair assumption given that the State of California has funded UCLA with taxpayer money from 13% to high as 37% of the total revenues reflected in UCLA’s budget.

      Some of the revenue from ticket sales could be shifted to pay these state funded athletic department expenses. Then the saved taxpayer money could be used to close that $16 billion budget deficit; or how about this paying some of it to build some more prisons instead of turning prisoners free.
Can even part-time St. Croix justify this boondoggle?  I mean, really, giving a scholarship to a half billionaire’s son when the State can’t pay its bills is ridiculous.

     In short, common sense says there ought to be an income limit for athletic scholarships.

But, hey, this is California.

That's the entertainment industy, what do you expect?

St. Croix416 reads

Let me get to the most important point. Who gave this kid a scholarship, because they clearly didn't do their homework. This kid is maybe 5-9, 170 lbs, runs a 4.8 40, is rated a 2-star prospect, went to some no-name school in New Rochelle NY. I don't care if he is the son of God, I've got bigger, faster, and probably can hit harder kids on my freshman high school football team. There is plenty of 4 and 5 star talent right here in SoCal. Look at the clip of the type of d-back I would recruit, and this d-back went to USC of all places. God I love football and big hits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS1Bocgpw-M  

Besides the fact I don't like this kid for the obvious reasons, UCLA, like all D-1 universities, has X number of scholarships. I really don't think the university, the UCLA coaches who do the recruiting, want to get into "means testing" as it relates to income and the ability to pay. You open that up and where does it stop? You want a hundred or thousand examples.

Don't forget mari that collegiate football and basketball drive 99% of a universities athletic budget. They could probably fund a shitload of programs, but you do remember the purpose of Title IX. Gotta have those female athletic programs mari.

Do you really want me to get into the weeds as to how the California budget is crafted, and the pecking order? Believe it or not, the UC and State university system gets shafted because they don't carry the clout like the K-12 teachers unions (Proposition 98 mari), or the Correction officers union clout. There is more to this than you reading a blurp in the Duke Blue Devil Daily Gazette.

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you see with say a million dollar yearly income limit for athletic scholarships?

        Income limits are in place for a wide variety of benefits ranging from food stamps to Pell grants. All you need is P Diddy’s 1040 form and you could tell the son was not eligible.

         True, the money from football and basketball fund all those other sports, including ladies’ sports but that is beside the point. Title IX doesn’t require any of those minor programs – just that equal opportunities be offered between the sexes. And certainly if a penny of state taxpayer money is being used to pay the refs for college volleyball – whether male or female – that is where you cut when you have a $16 billion budget deficit.

       Look at the cuts Gov Brown is making. You are going to start feeling them in your daily life. I’m still predicting a crime wave by the way. And even Gov Brown wants to spend money on the High Speed Train to Nowhere.

Cutting out frivolous scholarships like this is just symbolic but you guys sure need some better symbols than giving a $54,000 scholarship to a guy who was worth more at 16 –when Dad gave him a $360,000 sports car- than probably half the posters on this Board.

St. Croix701 reads

Even if one opens up running a Pop Warner Junior Peewee football program. You want some kind of limit on athletic scholarships? Is this a UCLA only voluntary program, or a PAC-12 mandated program? How do we include, excuse me, force a private school to comply? You think USC and Stanford will comply?

I think it would be admirable if Sean P. Diddy would drive up Hilgard Ave in one of his Bentleys, and write a check for his kid's education, and $54K only covers 4 years of tuition at today's rates. Add another $75K for campus/off-campus housing, food, vodka, weed, hookers, and the like. Maybe he can donate enough money so UCLA renames it's music department.

I'm not going to be held hostage to threats made by Brown, the Democrat leadership, and the various state govt unions, that draconian actions, like violence mentioned by you will happen. Sorry, but I'm personally drawing a line in the sand. We are one of the top taxed states in the Union. We already have a millionaires tax. We have more nickle and dime taxes than you can imagine. And somehow by just taxing more will solve our problems from now until the end of time.

I'd sit down with you mari and show you the last 40 years of California budgets and the constant mismanagement and sweet deals negotiated by govt unions.

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St. Croix450 reads

California is a microcosm of the U.S. The tax burden is falling on fewer people. 50% of Americans receive some level of govt support. I don't know what the statistic is in California, but the population base today vs 30 years ago is different. This base is less educated, less skilled with little or no competencies. Whether we like it or not, they consume more in services than they pay in taxes, or should I say don't pay in taxes.

We do spend more on education, but the results are pathetic. Compare graduation rates from 30 years vs today. We could double education spending, and I guarantee the results will be the same.

Unfortunately California like most States are in the business of educating, incarcerating, and medicating, usually in that order. Again, I could show you some trending analysis on California's budget for the past 40 years. But your answer is like any other liberal answer, just tax more.

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but a math answer.

        That's why you always lose these arguments St. Croix bc I simply point to the math -$16 billion deficit and that doesn't even address your legacy costs, like that city lifeguard that retired at 50 and now you have to pay him a six figure pension for the rest of his life.

     You simply cannot cut spending enough to wipe put your deficit much less meet your legacy costs.
But this thread is abut cutting spending - I say cut 100% of the state budget for colleges. Take a walk around UCLA what do you see- empty classrooms, too many buidlings, and in general the inefficient operation of the college.

Cut all state funding and let market forces operate to make UCLA an efficient institution.

St. Croix358 reads

Why do I think you are being a tad bit disingenuous with that last comment?

Actually, I had to do a little research on the $54K amount in the article. I didn't realize $54K is out of state tuition, room and board for one year. Tuition alone for out of state is $36.5K per year, while in-state is $13.5K.

UCLA, like any other UC campus, or state universities for that matter, could significantly close their budget gaps just by increasing out-of-state students. They tend to cap these students at less than 10% of incoming freshman. Believe it or not, a couple of the Community Colleges attempted to add back certain classes, but with increased fees in order to make them self sustaining. There was a big demand for it, but the State of California, you know who I'm talking about that nixed that idea. I think they used words like, "It wouldn't be fair"

Look mari, if you and I are sitting across a conference room table with the mandate of reaching a budget agreement, both of us will have to compromise. I would be willing to consider some new taxes. You mentioned commercial buildings under Prop 13. I'm all ears, but I have yet to hear specific examples from you on permanent cuts. And yes, some of the cuts will have to be legacy cuts.

I'm not going to agree, nor will I vote yes on Brown's Nov ballot initiative to increase the millionaire tax, and the sales tax, to cover this year's $16B deficit. The corresponding cuts Brown is recommending are short term cuts, they do not address the legacy cuts you mentioned.

Are you willing to come to the table with suggestions other than tax increases?

What's JPM at today? Glad you're not running Calpers.  

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Is it November yet?

      And on another topic, remember my Bank of America v oil bet that you wussed out on, calling it a "stupid bet"? That is actually is quite interesting now; BOA has lost all its gains for the year and is sinking; and although oil is also negative for the year, I 'd be willing to bet oil will recover more by the end of the year than BOA. sign

     You should have taken that bet. If only you weren't such a wuss.

even RICH people are allowed financial aid

AnotherPerspective1210 reads

Put yourself in his shoes before rendering  your version of common sense .

 Rules are rules , Justin didn't break any . Justin Combs earned his  scholarship .

  Is there a Law that requires rich parents to  pay for their children's College education ?

 

Posted By: marikod
       That would be Justin Combs the son of none other than P Diddy himself. According to Forbes, P Diddy is worth $550 million.

        Any problem with that? UCLA say this is okay bc state money is not used to fund athletic scholarships. These scholarships we are told “ are entirely funded through UCLA Athletics ticket sales, corporate partnerships, media contracts and private donations from supporters.”

      But wait a minute. Isn’t state money used in part to pay Ben Howland $1.5 million to coach basketball, not to mention the salary of the football coach and salaries of the hundreds of other employees in the athletic department. This is a fair assumption given that the State of California has funded UCLA with taxpayer money from 13% to high as 37% of the total revenues reflected in UCLA’s budget.

      Some of the revenue from ticket sales could be shifted to pay these state funded athletic department expenses. Then the saved taxpayer money could be used to close that $16 billion budget deficit; or how about this paying some of it to build some more prisons instead of turning prisoners free.
Can even part-time St. Croix justify this boondoggle?  I mean, really, giving a scholarship to a half billionaire’s son when the State can’t pay its bills is ridiculous.

     In short, common sense says there ought to be an income limit for athletic scholarships.

But, hey, this is California.

...played and left school after two years. Maybe his father, Master P, made a donation to USC, as P-Diddy most likely will to UCLA to more than offset the scholarship.

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