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You sound like he had the gun in his hand not concealed which does not make sense as Trayvon ...
Timbow 622 reads
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would have really kept going then if he saw the gun .

Posted By: xfean
FACT IN EVIDENCE SAYS THAT ZIMMERMAN STARTED THE CONFRONTATION
"Zimmerman got out of his vehicle with a 9mm pistol and pursued travon martin WHO WAS RUNNING AWAY FROM ZIMMERMAN"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47453164/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times/?gt1=43001

http://colorlines.com/assets_c/2012/03/gzimmermanpublicrecord-thumb-640xauto-5674.jpg


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Timbow2113 reads

Quote:
WFTV has confirmed that autopsy results show 17-year-old Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died.

The injury to Martin’s knuckle also fits with Zimmerman's story that before he shot and killed Martin, Martin had broken his nose and knocked him to the ground, slamming his head on the sidewalk.

ABC News said it has obtained Zimmerman's medical report from the day after the killing. According to ABC, the report shows Zimmerman had a broken nose and abrasions on the back of his head.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/autopsy-results-show-trayvon-martin-had-injuries-h/nN6gs/

Quote :
A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-medical-report-sheds-light-injuries-trayvon/story?id=16353532








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Whether or not the killing was justified it has been documented that NBC news CREATED the racial angle by editing Zimmerman's phone call.

AnotherPerspective462 reads

Zimmerman is not white .

Posted By: Officer Cartman
Whether or not the killing was justified it has been documented that NBC news CREATED the racial angle by editing Zimmerman's phone call.  

 Zimmerman's Grandfather

Zimmerman himself was on a prescription for Tamazepam, according to the paramedic's incident report reproducing his medical records. (Tamazepam is also known as Restoril and is prescribed for anxiety and insomnia.)

Court docs: Trayvon Martin shooting 'ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman'

Prosecutors on Thursday made public a trove of evidence used to justify murder charges against Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman, including a police report that concluded "the encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman

Another police report indicated that Zimmerman, who is white and of Hispanic heritage, had called Sanford police on at least four previous occasions while residing in the Retreat at Twin Lakes gated community in Sanford, and in each case the “suspicious person” was a black male.

“Investigation reveals that on Aug. 4, Aug. 5 and Oct. 6, 2011, and on Feb. 2, 2012, George Zimmerman reported suspicious persons – all young black males – in the Retreat neighborhood to Sanford Police Department,” it said. “According to records checks, all of Zimmerman’s suspicious persons calls while residing in the Retreat neighborhood have identified black males as the subjects.”

Another police report  indicated that Sanford police thought Zimmerman was at fault, even though they let him go after questioning him.  

"Investigation reveals that Martin was in fact running generally in the direction of where he was staying as a guest in the neighborhood," it said.


http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/17/11748468-court-docs-trayvon-martin-shooting-ultimately-avoidable-by-zimmerman?lite



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Zimmerman was the armed agressor in this case. Race has nothing to do with any of this. Zimmerman stalked his prey(Martin) and when the prey turned the tables on him Zimmerman executed his prey.

Snowman39620 reads

You say Zimmerman was the agressor, where is your proof. BTW, following someone does not qualify as being an aggressor, especially when you are talking to the police at the time.

Here is an alternative THEORY. Sounds more like Zimmerman was following him, Martin got pissed off and decided to teach him a lesson instead of of talking to him. Life lesson, if you decide you want to be a "big man" and teach someone a lesson, make sure they are not armed...

Life lesson, or end of life as the case may be...

Zimmerman Walks..

Zimmerman initiated this incident, is that not a fact ?

If he had, a young man would not have lost his life. If someone can't defend themselves in a fist fight, he should be minding his own business. Community watch volunteers are suppose to be the eyes and ears for the local law enforcement agencies, not the enforcers. If Zimmerman had kept his distance, and just observed he would not be guilty of taking another man's life. Yes, and jury may declare him not guilty, but he will always know he is, even if he felt, when push came to shove, he needed to defend himself through the use of a gun.

and was guilty of something, hence his comment: "These a**holes, they always get away." There's no indication that he even needed to leave his vehicle to observe Martin's behavior and activities. Neighbor Watch is designed to report possible crimes while they are occurring, not chase down possible suspects, plus Neighborhood Watch volunteers are instructed not to carry a weapon. So, might point is, if he had stuck to the limits of his role as a Neighborhood Watch volunteer, he would not have had to use a weapon. And, since you were not there, you don't know that Martin was guilty of the behaviors Zimmerman suspected him of.

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The altercation..

It was trayvon playing mr tough guy and punching him out

I don't think beatiing someone's face in just because they are following you is justified

Ill bet trayvon would like to have that back as well

You should at least a quaint yourself with the facts Before you draw conclusions

Too much MSNBC can be bad for your brain

Wasn't it Martin who he shot and killed. What am I confused about??? Martin is not around to tell his side of the story, right!?!

Martin is technically the victim and not a witness.  Your prior statement was confusing.

Maybe you have been doing an intentional news blockout and you have'nt read anything about the case but the fact is there are MANY witnesses.
Here is one from that very morning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RaknmTkjvU&feature=related

Who shot who is not in question.

You, Mr. Obtuse, said "the only witness is dead". We both know that's nonsense now, don't we???:D

Look forward to your spin.

If Martin had survived the shooting, he would have been both the victim and have witnessed the crime perpetrated against him. Moral of the story; if you are going to shoot someone, and claim self-defense, you'd better kill him while there is no one to the crime. Yep! That's what Zimmerman did! It's his word against that of a dead man!

now you're suggesting zimmerman killed him so there would be no witness.

welcome to mr.noVille.

you could have salvage some veracity if you had just admitted you made a mistake about claiming the only witness was dead.

instead you can't help yourself but spin, spin, spin....it's fun to watch!!!

I was not there! I'm just stating the consequences of his action!

"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."
Martin Luther King, Jr.

winning or losing. It's bleak life, breaking everything down into winning or losing. I find life much more fulfilling and enjoyable when I don't.

So righteous.

Of course you don't care...hahahaha!

Snowman39379 reads

he followed him WGAF??

Big difference between following someone and breaking their nose, or shooting them.

Tell me this, since Treyvon had a cell phone, why didn't HE call the police and report it ?!?!?

and expect not to get charged with any type of criminal charge

if that was the case there would be many more dead people everywhere

zimmerman has a violent history but because his dad is a judge he has been getting that get out of jail free pass

white has its privilege



Trayvon Martin, White Denial and the Unacceptable Burden of Blackness in America
By now, you probably know the shameful details, but they are worth repeating, in any event.

On the evening of February 26, George Zimmerman, a self-appointed “neighborhood watch captain” in an Orlando suburb, shot and killed 17-year old Trayvon Martin.

Because Martin was black.

And no, don’t even think of rolling your eyes at the suggestion. That is what happened, just as surely as so many might well be loathe to admit it.

Oh sure, he denies such a motivation, as does his family, but the details of the incident, now emerging from that evening leave very little question about it.

This was not, as we too often hear in the wake of such incidents, “a tragedy.”

This was not, as some would have it, “a terrible accident.”

It was murder, plain and simple. And it would be called such by everyone in a nation that had any commitment to honest language, which, sadly, would pretty much rule out the one in which Martin’s life began and ended, and in which Zimmerman continues to operate as a free man, unarrested by the police.

Trayvon Martin is dead because George Zimmerman believed his neighborhood needed and deserved to be protected from young black men, who could not possibly belong there, in his estimation. Never mind that Martin was in the community with his father, visiting friends. Never mind that Martin was armed only with Skittles and iced tea, while Zimmerman carried a loaded weapon.

Zimmerman, who has a history of aggressive behavior (including assaulting an officer a few years ago), appears to have something of a Dirty Harry syndrome about him. He is someone described by his own neighbors as overzealous, motivated by an obsessive desire to guard the perimeter of his community and pose as a crime-fighting hero to those around him. It doesn’t take much imagination to size up Zimmerman psychologically. He’s like so many other utterly unaccomplished males who fantasize about being a badass law officer, meting out justice to the ne’er-do-wells. He’s the kind of person who, if he weren’t playing at policeman, would be one of those guys fabricating stories of his war heroism, buying fake military uniforms and medals on eBay and telling strangers in bars how he single-handedly held off insurgents in Kandahar or some such shit. He’s one of those guys. If you’ve met one, you’ve met them all: a wannabe somebody with a gun permit and a healthy dose of amped up, testosterone-fueled anxiety about outsiders; and so too, in his case, it appears (not only from this incident but also from dozens of previous 9-1-1 calls he’d made), a consistent fear about black men, whom he seemed to consider, almost by definition, as not belonging in his neighborhood.

If Trayvon Martin had been, say, Todd Martin, a 17-year old white male, in the same neighborhood on the same evening, it wouldn’t have mattered that he was wearing a hoodie, looking at homes as he passed them by, or fiddling with his waistband. These, it should be noted, were the apparent indicators of criminality that Zimmerman felt compelled to share with the police during his 9-1-1 call, before opting to chase Martin himself, in brazen defiance of their explicit instruction to stay put. Had he been white, Martin’s humanity would have been clearly discernible to Zimmerman. But he was black, and male, and that alone inspired Zimmerman to conclude that there was “something wrong with this guy,” and that he appeared to be “on drugs,” a judgment Zimmerman felt qualified to render based on his extensive background in behavioral psychology, bested only by his prodigious law enforcement training, and by extensive and prodigious, in this case, I mean none whatsoever.

Indeed, if you do not know that Martin’s race (and more to the point, Zimmerman’s racism) is central to the former’s death at the hands of the latter, it may well be that you are incapable of ever comprehending even the most obvious manifestations of this nation’s longstanding racial drama. Worse still, it may suggest that you are so bereft of empathy as to render you morally and emotionally dangerous to decent people.

And by empathy here, I don’t mean merely the ability to feel for the family of this murdered child. I’m guessing most all can manage that much. Rather, I refer to the kind of empathy too rarely attainable, by whites in particular, in the case of black folks who insist, based on their entire life experience and the insight gained from that experience, that their rights to life and liberty are too often subject to the capricious whims of those with less melanin than they, and for reasons owing explicitly to the color of their skin.

Empathy — real empathy, not the situational and utterly phony kind that most any of us can muster when social convention calls for it — requires that one be able to place oneself in the shoes of another, and to consider the world as they must consider it. It requires that we be able to suspend our own culturally-ingrained disbelief long enough to explore the possibility that perhaps the world doesn’t work as we would have it, but rather as others have long insisted it did.

Empathy, which is always among the first casualties of racist thinking, mandates our acceptance of the possibility that maybe it isn’t those long targeted by oppression who are exaggerating the problem or making the proverbial mountain out of a molehill, but rather we who have underestimated the gravity of racial domination and subordination in this country, and reduced what are, in fact, Everest-sized peaks to ankle-high summits, and for our own purposes, rather than in the service of truth.

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FACT IN EVIDENCE SAYS THAT ZIMMERMAN STARTED THE CONFRONTATION
"Zimmerman got out of his vehicle with a 9mm pistol and pursued travon martin WHO WAS RUNNING AWAY FROM ZIMMERMAN"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47453164/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times/?gt1=43001

http://colorlines.com/assets_c/2012/03/gzimmermanpublicrecord-thumb-640xauto-5674.jpg


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Timbow623 reads

would have really kept going then if he saw the gun .

Posted By: xfean
FACT IN EVIDENCE SAYS THAT ZIMMERMAN STARTED THE CONFRONTATION
"Zimmerman got out of his vehicle with a 9mm pistol and pursued travon martin WHO WAS RUNNING AWAY FROM ZIMMERMAN"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47453164/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times/?gt1=43001

http://colorlines.com/assets_c/2012/03/gzimmermanpublicrecord-thumb-640xauto-5674.jpg


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race was an issue because  african americans had been breaking in to vehicles or OTHER STUFF IN THAT COMPLEX ?

zimmerman says" they always get away"


Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman profiled Trayvon Martin, pursued him, frightened him, confronted him then shot him during a struggle, prosecutors alleged Thursday.

That's what the probable-cause affidavit filed Thursday by Special Prosecutor Angela Corey reveals. It is the first look at the criminal case that prosecutors plan to mount against Zimmerman.


The account is strikingly similar to the story that Trayvon's parents, the family's attorneys and civil-rights leaders have told for weeks — that Trayvon was an innocent victim hunted down and killed because he was black.

Herr found the affidavit legally sufficient to establish probable cause and ordered Zimmerman to appear for arraignment — when defendants formally enter a plea — on May 29 before Circuit Judge Jessica Recksiedler.

But the probable-cause affidavit, prepared by two investigators in her office, spelled out the bare bones of her case.

To Trayvon, it says, Zimmerman was a scary man, following him for some unknown reason. To Zimmerman, Trayvon was someone who was about to commit a crime, "a f------ punk," the affidavit said.

The affidavit offered evidence the state's position on three key points:

•"Zimmerman confronted Martin," it says, an apparent contradiction of Zimmerman's version of events.

•The state will argue that the voice heard crying for help in the background of one 911 call is Trayvon's. According to the affidavit, Trayvon's mother listened to the recording and identified the voice as her son's.

•State investigators will rely on the testimony of a friend of Trayvon's who told them she talked to the teenager on the phone in the lead-up to the shooting and heard the confrontation.

Based on the description, she appears to be the girl described by Martin family attorneys as his girlfriend.

When interviewed by state investigators, "The witness advised that Martin was scared because he was being followed through the complex by an unknown male and didn't know why," the affidavit said.

Trayvon tried to run home, the affidavit says, but Zimmerman ignored the advice of a police dispatcher and continued pursuing him on foot.

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