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TOFTT can be a serious risk Astrid....
mnjohnny247 18 Reviews 615 reads
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....... First, welcome to the board, Astrid.  You will find that subject of many threads are requests for info on providers with no reviews.  It is the most frequent topic.  The reason is that it is serious.  Several individuals have gotten busted recently seeing women who had no reviews.  It is a huge risk (and FWIW, one I will not take).  Guys are always encouraged to do their research, google pixs and phone numbers but in the end the most reliable info is from other guys who may have seen the woman.  When she has reviews, we can look at the review as well as the cred of the reviewer.  Some guys will also PM reviewers for more specific information.  Seeing an provider with no reviews is a BIG risk, imho.  Sometimes it turns out OK, but sometimes not, that is why most of us take these requests for info seriously.

Before I was a VIP of TER, I took my chances with the "honesty" of providers and rarely found any honesty. "100% me or your money back"    "no bait and switch, you'll see me at the door"    I think only 2 times did the girl actually post pictures of herself.  One of them I don't actually think it was her but the picture was so close and didn't show face, so I will give her the benefit of the doubt.

Most providers know that by the time we get there, we have generally turned off a certain part of our brains and started thinking with another, so when it's not "100% her"  sometimes not even 50% we still go in and 9 times out of 10, we wish we would have been smarter or read a few reviews.

I am in sales and I love what I sell, so I keep selling it.  I used to sell things I didn't like, so I quit and found something new, until I found what I like.  Unfortunately, too many un-reviewed providers, preach honesty with extreme dishonesty and take advantage of the situation.  If they don't like what they do for whatever reason, its not fair to take it out on the other, who is just looking for enjoyment.  This is not a cheap hobby and nobody likes to be rushed, especially when they only get the opportunity to get in the game once in a while.  So unfortunately, those situations have caused some of us to become a little bit jaded.  There are times I'd rather empty my wallet to the guy who sits under the bridge drinking a bottle out of a brown bag, because I know, he would be more treat us better than some of the unreviewed BP girls.

Don't get me wrong Astrid, I by no means think you are one of those previously mentioned providers.  Maybe your the exception? :) (but you do have a review now I see)

Maybe that or this goes a bit off topic, but I do see a lot of ads saying 35+ and such, would a younger hobbits get treated differently because they are younger?  If so, is it because they fear they may hang out in the same places and/or end up hanging in the same crowds?

Just my two cents  :)

Women post ads seeking men 35+ because odds are better that older men will act more maturely and have more money to spend.  I seek providers who are at least 30 years old for similar reasons.  They tend to be more mature in how they handle their business with less drama.  Of course age is no guarantee; there are plenty of exceptions on either side of the divide.

Yes, I've heard the horror stories. It's scary out there. I for one cannot imagine answering the door to greet a gentleman caller and being someone else entirely than I had represented myself. No repeat client in that situation! Yes, I am reviewed and the first comment states "sometimes a TOFFT pays off" hence my original comment. The risks are entirely understood. Considering BP rep is less than savory, it's a sad story because I know there are plenty of legitimate, well-reviewed ladies advertising there. Because of the reputation I will stay away. It's too bad the frauds make it difficult for the ladies who are real to prove themselves, and for a client to struggle with taking such a risk. I could do all the screening possible, but it's my intuition that I listen to. Always listen to it. As far as 35+ yes it is a different subject; IMO I think it is because it is the provider that gets treated differently, so they prefer an older gentleman as do I. Good luck.

If you look at her TER profile, you'll see that someone TOFTT with her recently and had a great experience.

....and I'm happy it worked out for her and breadmaker, but the big picture is what I was referring to.  And if anyone does not think this is a particulary risky time to TOFTT, they should rethink the risk, imho.  I am in touch with a couple of gents who wished they did.  Scary is the right word and I take EVERY opportunity to remind others.

But it sounds like it worked out swimmingly for him.

....... First, welcome to the board, Astrid.  You will find that subject of many threads are requests for info on providers with no reviews.  It is the most frequent topic.  The reason is that it is serious.  Several individuals have gotten busted recently seeing women who had no reviews.  It is a huge risk (and FWIW, one I will not take).  Guys are always encouraged to do their research, google pixs and phone numbers but in the end the most reliable info is from other guys who may have seen the woman.  When she has reviews, we can look at the review as well as the cred of the reviewer.  Some guys will also PM reviewers for more specific information.  Seeing an provider with no reviews is a BIG risk, imho.  Sometimes it turns out OK, but sometimes not, that is why most of us take these requests for info seriously.

Posted By: mnjohnny247
....... First, welcome to the board, Astrid.  You will find that subject of many threads are requests for info on providers with no reviews.  It is the most frequent topic.  The reason is that it is serious.  Several individuals have gotten busted recently seeing women who had no reviews.  It is a huge risk (and FWIW, one I will not take).  Guys are always encouraged to do their research, google pixs and phone numbers but in the end the most reliable info is from other guys who may have seen the woman.  When she has reviews, we can look at the review as well as the cred of the reviewer.  Some guys will also PM reviewers for more specific information.  Seeing an provider with no reviews is a BIG risk, imho.  Sometimes it turns out OK, but sometimes not, that is why most of us take these requests for info seriously.

.....That  breadmaker had a sucessful TOFTT with you?  Yes, I got that and am happy it turned out well for both of you, but I was referring to the bigger picture and the simple fact is that it iS a particualry scary time to TOFTT, imho.   Some have PMd me asking how a new provider is supposed to find business and get some reviews?  The answer, as many know, is that rather than rely on sites like eros or BP, a provider can sign up with a verification service such as  P411 and yes, a lady does need another provider to provide a reference if she has no reviews, but that is how gents can have a level of comfort that the lady he is seeing is who she says she is.  

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Many providers don't have anyone to help them get started when they first venture into this and they don't even know about P411 or even TER and the same is true for hobbyists.  Consequently, a lot of people kind of blunder around until they run into something or someone who can and will help them.  TOFFT has always been a riskier proposition but if no one does it I suspect you would see a lot fewer new providers being successful in the business and a lot fewer new hobbyists establishing themselves as good clients.

...........for the newbie hobbyist, the first time should be with a well reviewed provider and of course there are several ways for the newbie to be screened so ladies are not doing TOFTT.  The TOFTT risk is pretty much reserved for hobbyists.  BP in particular is very hot right now, lots of LE presence, so I stand by my comments.  If a seasoned hobbyist wants to TOFTT they should do so with as much risk mitigation (research, 411 posts, etc) as possible.  Also, FWIW, my opinion is that this probably not a good time for a provider to break into the hobby on BP.  If a woman is serious about the hobby as a profession, it is up to her to do some research and even basic research will point her to TER and the verification sites.  I see newbie providers posting frequently on the Newbie Board here on TER and getting very good advice as to how to become successful in the Hobby.  They are rarely advised to just start posting ads on BP, in fact are discouraged from doing this.  
My 2 cents (ok, maybe 3).......

Posted By: vorlon
Many providers don't have anyone to help them get started when they first venture into this and they don't even know about P411 or even TER and the same is true for hobbyists.  Consequently, a lot of people kind of blunder around until they run into something or someone who can and will help them.  TOFFT has always been a riskier proposition but if no one does it I suspect you would see a lot fewer new providers being successful in the business and a lot fewer new hobbyists establishing themselves as good clients.


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Along with when a new provider shows up it is best if experienced hobbyists are the ones to first try and see her because they have a better chance of figuring out when something is not right and avoiding getting into trouble (or at least a lot of trouble).  However, there are a lot of people who get into this without knowledge of TER, etc. and what you and I consider basic research is not something that may occur to them at all initially.  Consider this scenario.  Young single mother trying to go to school but needs a way to support herself and her children.  Escorting might be a good way for her to do this but all she knows about is BP and that is how she gets started.  The idea that there might be online resources to better help her learn about how to be a good escort may not even occur to her; not everyone knows that much about the internet even in this day and age.  But she's got bills to pay so she jumps in and it's sink or swim.  Hopefully, she runs into someone who points her in the right direction and she is serious about this.  And over the years I have seen escorts and read no small number of reviews of ladies who were good at being escorts but had never heard of TER until I or some other client told them.  These are that minority of new providers on BP who are "diamonds in the rough" and have real potential but are hard to find and have a hard time making a go of it.

I don't trust those verifications sites. They are run by humans and can be compromised. I just go with well revealed ladies who do not insist on P411 and the likes. Follow the protocols, never say or do anything stupid and even if you get arrested, you can most likely get off, although I prefer that doesn't get to the point of calling a lawyer.

Out of curiosity, why?  P411 in particular has the advantage of being based in Canada so they don't have to cooperate with US LE.

I just hate loose ends. Perhaps P411 is better than most of them since it is out of US jurisdiction. It may be very remote, but it is possible that some time in the future some dickheads may decide to have international cooperation against prostitution. Seriously, who would have thought the Swiss banks would turn over records of US citizens to the IRS?

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