FKK Clubs

Re: Cologne/Dusseldorf Area - Reflections on 3 clubs visited
MamboMike 6 Reviews 19058 reads
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A couple of other details:

1.  No matter which club or where it occurs, you are committed to a session when a bbbj begins.  There are no freebies at that point.  DFKing is less consistent, whether or not you can then disengage - generally if you get a DFK introduction, she is interested in providing good service and you shouldn't disengage.  But also don't expect a bbbj introduction from everyone and this almost never happens at Samya, and rarely at Babylon.

2. It helps to take a watch, discretely note the time when taking off your watch to begin and note it when you have put your watch on again and exit the room.  Samya has a system where the girl checks the time with the desk on the first floor.  Since you could have been in the room, or zimmer, on the third floor, this adds to her time and can extend to a second 30 minute session, inadvertently.  Don't fall for that, use the time on your watch and pay her accordingly.  If there is a disagreement, take it to the main desk because few girls will actually take the issue to the main desk, unless for example you CIM'd and refuse to pay for the extra.

2. Payment for sessions at Babylon and Bernds were on exit.  It was less clear what the exit cost would be at Bernds, but don't fret at all - the women there are very generous.  At Samya, you pay the lady after the session.  The girl visits you at your locker for payment after the session.

3. By far, the food is best at Bernds, provided by a local hotel (Reuters), which you can arrange to stay overnight by telling the Thekefrau at the Bernds desk.

4.  You get an entry tour at Babylon and at Bernds after you have showered and changed in the locker room.

Woolfox26103 reads

I'm a newbie to FKK clubs but having now found them they blow my mind - fantastic!!! Why oh why don't we have them in the UK (OK, I know why but the law is completely stupid)

Anyway, I thought I'd share my thoughts on the 3 places I've visited. All are in the Cologne/Duss'f area

First up was Samya - lots of girls (I counted 50+ on a Friday night), good prices, good choice of beers, friendly staff. The girls are mostly pretty similar to look at -  young (20's), white, slim, leggy. There were one or two who were a little different - a big Amazon-like girl, one older mixed race girl, a very tempting Indian girl - and so on. If you like leggy European girls - mostly East European - you're in heaven here (I was); if not, you may want to try elsewhere.  I went here 4 days running, it was that good.

Next visit I wanted to try Bernds/Schiefferhof having seen the reviews. Very, very different - much smaller, around 10 - 12 girls, and while some of them are stunners my fisrt impression was that the others are more girl-next-door types, and with a greater variety of ages. But what hits you about Bernds is that they give a very, VERY good service, in all respects. They are all naked for one thing (at Samya they wear panties/thongs in the bar) which means as they sit around and chat you get to see everything to help you choose. They are very unselfconscious about it - they'll sit and gently finger themselves while they talk and you watch (and yes I know they probably do it deliberately as a come on but it's still great to watch). They also all french kiss you as a matter of course, and once you start talking to them they move naturally into giving you a sample blow job right there in the bar - at Samya quite a lot of the girls don't french kiss, and there's no sexual contact in the bar area. In Bernd's there is always some guy getting sucked while the others watch or drink beer. The girls tend also to be much more experienced than Samya - they all actively try to make it good for you, and they seem to know lots of good technique, unlike some of the Samya girls who expect you to make the running while they just lie back and take it. At Bernds you are struck by how hard the girls work to make it good for you. And even though I tend to go automatically for young leggy girls, some of the older and more mature girls at Bernds could knock spots off them in the quality of sexual experience thay give you.

There is also no charging for "extras" - unlike Samya where CIM is 25 euros, anal is 50 euros, etc - and the girls are completely uninhibited; no "don't touch me there" or "I don't do that" or "no fingers" (that last one pisses me off no end!). The whole place is much, much friendlier and more intimate than Samya. I would recommend Mara (beautiful body and incredibly flexible), Anna (statuesque and very horny), Dana (just about the sexiest, naughtiest woman you could hope to find), Jenny (like Dana only more energetic), and Rita (small and slim, good fun).

So I'm now hooked on Bernds, and after that for me Samya would be a little disappointing. Don't let that put you off going - if you like slim leggy beauties, a big choice, and like the girl to lie back and take it you'll do fine - but I would totally recommend at least trying Bernds. It's the difference between fast food and a quality restaurant.

My third club was Babylon at Elsdorf. You can read the history of the club on 21orover; it's had some tough times but now it's picking up again. I was very impressed - I only went here because it was near and it's open on a Saturday (Bernds isn't) - but I had a really good time both times I've been there. It's again different - smaller and more intimate, like Bernd's, but with a good range of young leggy women who also seem to be very good at their job and making it good for you (see their website). There were about a dozen girls each time I've been there (Saturday afternoon/early evening). It's a bit like a cross between Samya and Bernds - smaller and excellent service from the girls like at Bernds but with a nice clean open ambiance and with lots of youngish girls like Samya. Once again the girls are naked (although Friday is lingerie day) and again they do work hard to make it good for you. They all french kiss, give you a sample cocksuck in the bar area before going to the room, and again do pretty much everything without hassle. You can see from their website what each girl does in the way of specials (Samya's does this too; why don't more clubs?) but you do have to pay extra for some things (CIM 25, anal 50). I spent eight hours there - I thought it was pretty near heaven. The food was good too...

For me the stars at Babylon were Laura and Sabrina (who do the best 2 girl "lesbian" act with you I have ever seen) and who were both incredibly horny on their own as well.

So pay your money and take your pick. It depends what you want, but I'd recommend any of them. My game plan now is to go to Bernds on a Friday, and Babylon on a Saturday!  

Having taken an FKK tour in February, I have been to all three of the aforementioned FKKs and concur with most of the sentiment expressed by Woolfox.

The main differences I found with the three clubs were size, ambiance, youthfulness, and price.

1. Samya - The girls here are often more youthful, but it is more like a pickup bar.  I went here on a Friday night and most girls were having fun around the first floor bar.  A saxophonist played at times and some of the girls danced nude inside the bar area.  On this night, most girls were totally nude, save a pair of heels.  Prices were 50E for first 30 min, 25E for second thirty, and 25E for CIM.  DATY and BBBJ were standard.  The main difference here is that you need to approach the girls, sometimes difficult to do if you don't have a language in common.  On one hand, I had one blonde spinner that looked like a hot babysitter turn me down for a romp upstairs and I had another girl who reminded me of my HS French teacher trying to avoid me.  On the other hand, I had a nice time upstairs with a Turkish girl who had a genuine O from DATY.  The showers and lockers in the basement were quite good.  One nice benefit is that some of the girls also use this area to shower and prepare themselves on arrival.  There is an enclosed patio area in the front, which was seldom used when I was there due to temperature.

2. Babylon is more like the usual FKK atmosphere, with a quieter bar on the first floor.  I found the girls a bit easier to approach than at Samya, but on the quiet Wednesday evening I was there, it seemed that I was almost the only guy interested in some erotic activity, which gave me a leg up, so to speak, lol.  I found conversing easier here than at Samya, and all the girls were interested in a session (also unlike Samya).  The girls here are also easier to identify based on their website photos, so it is easier to target a girl of interest.  One girl took a visible shower while I was in the basement sauna, then came in to relax (later I found this to be her MO).  A gentle massage to her foot, then her leg, led to some nice kissing with her in my lap, which then led to an extended, fun late night romp in the open kino on the second floor.  I felt like I could have declined at any time in the sauna, had I wanted to do so, so I didn't consider this a 'wanna dance' pushy approach - more like a real girlfriend coming in to join me.

The rooms are much bigger and nicer than at Samya and the kino is HUGE. I had two delightful sessions out in the open in the kino.  Although a NRW club, the prices were more Hessen, 50E for first 30 min, 50E for subsequent 30 minute blocks, and 50E for CIM.  DATY and BBBJ are standard, but anal (which I did not explore) was a 100E option.  Pricing and an introductory tour by a pretty lass were provided at entry.

3. Bernds is very much like described by Woolfox, but I found no stunners here.  Not saying that the ladies were ugly - but if looks are your sole criteria, there is better fare elsewhere (like Oase).  On the other hand, there are no extras/options here - everything that a lady does is standard pricing and they are very generous with their time.  Pricing is 50E per 30 minute block, period.  The facilities are clean, but not nearly as nice as Samya and Babylon.  There is no kino, but there is a small sauna in the basement and functional lockers and shower on the first floor.  The rooms are also functional and sufficiently large, situated in the basement.  Thursdays are dessous days, when I attended, and the girls were not nude, dressed instead in lingerie.

As in other NRW FKKs, you have to approach the girl, which for some reason seemed easier to do in the downstairs bar.  But unlike Samya and more like Babylon, approaching a girl is pretty easy and all are interested in a session.  The girls will also start to DFK and give you an introductory BBBJ right out in the open, and if you prefer an open session, one available room has a large window, overlooked from the downstairs bar.

With a rented car, the distance between the clubs is about 30 minutes, a little longer to get to Golden Time, and about 90 minutes from Oase in Frankfurt.  In Hesse (Frankfurt area), the girls approach you for a session and it is harder to find some peace and relaxation between sessions.  On the other hand, they are of course more approachable.

A couple of other details:

1.  No matter which club or where it occurs, you are committed to a session when a bbbj begins.  There are no freebies at that point.  DFKing is less consistent, whether or not you can then disengage - generally if you get a DFK introduction, she is interested in providing good service and you shouldn't disengage.  But also don't expect a bbbj introduction from everyone and this almost never happens at Samya, and rarely at Babylon.

2. It helps to take a watch, discretely note the time when taking off your watch to begin and note it when you have put your watch on again and exit the room.  Samya has a system where the girl checks the time with the desk on the first floor.  Since you could have been in the room, or zimmer, on the third floor, this adds to her time and can extend to a second 30 minute session, inadvertently.  Don't fall for that, use the time on your watch and pay her accordingly.  If there is a disagreement, take it to the main desk because few girls will actually take the issue to the main desk, unless for example you CIM'd and refuse to pay for the extra.

2. Payment for sessions at Babylon and Bernds were on exit.  It was less clear what the exit cost would be at Bernds, but don't fret at all - the women there are very generous.  At Samya, you pay the lady after the session.  The girl visits you at your locker for payment after the session.

3. By far, the food is best at Bernds, provided by a local hotel (Reuters), which you can arrange to stay overnight by telling the Thekefrau at the Bernds desk.

4.  You get an entry tour at Babylon and at Bernds after you have showered and changed in the locker room.

An one more point - the 50E per session is for 30 minutes or one pop, whichever cums first.  If for example, you wanted to do bbbjtc followed by mish or cg tc, then that would be 100E.

rod823916953 reads

MamboMike,

Thanks for the thorough overview. I'm confused on one point; you said the session starts with the BBBJ, but in an earlier post, the girls (at least at Bernds) will give a "sample BBBJ" while sitting/conversing at the bar. If they give you a sample BBBJ, my impression is I don't necessarily need to commit to an appt, correct? Or is that not the case?

Thanks...

The start of a bbbj pretty much commits you to a session, although in Bernds the introductory bbbj is not necessarily included in the session time, as long as you don't take advantage of things.  Elsewhere, a bbbj is pretty much considered part of the session and the clock is running, even though you may not actually be in the room/zimmer.

At Bernds, the introductory bbbj basically can happen in the meeting area, on the couches upstairs, or at the bar downstairs.  Elsewhere, that is rare and the pre-zimmer bbbj will generally occur in the kino.

rod823917535 reads

Okay, so if I find myself in conversation with a woman at an FKK, I should avoid any sexual connection if I haven't yet decided to take her to a zimmer.

I initially had the impression (at Bernds, at least) that when chatting with a woman, but still deciding whether to have a session with her, she may offer a "preview bbbj" to help make up my mind. But at that point, I thought I still had the option of saying no (or nein).

From what I've read earlier in other posts, your point makes sense - we as customers will need to make our decision based on looks and some preliminary conversation, but not unnecessarily occupy her time or benefit from talents, if we haven't yet decided to book a session.

I appreciate your help. I'm going in August with an FKK Tour and will be sure to write about my experiences.

rod823915495 reads

It's the folks from fkktour.com. I'm not usually a guided tour kind of guy, but after reading the pros and cons of taking a guided FKK trip on this board, decided to go that route. I'm an FKK newbie traveling solo, and wanted to make my trip as relaxing as possible by letting them take care of the lodging and transportation, and to benefit from their bilingual support, knowledge and connections. And because I'm alone, I thought it might be more fun to share the experience with fellow travelers and the staff.

Don't do the fkktour thing.  It is a total ripoff and you actually get less fun than if you had gone on your own.  Some places you can get to by train and some you need or should have a car.  Unless you are totally new to the hobby, you should do just fine.  Trust your gfe skills.

It's possible to get a good Europe tour- in fact, Rick Steve sells them.

But that being said, you gain a lot more flexibility and spontaneity when you go solo or with friends in a non-tour environment- which is why the guy sells guidebooks, too, and encourages people to go a bit off the beaten path.

The other factor that's decisive for me is that, well, it's Europe. Yes, the fun in the FKKs is fantastic, but I want to experience things in Europe OTHER THAN the FKKs- having a Kölsch in Köln, walking the Roman Limes outside Frankfurt, seeing the Lorelei on the Rhine, going to Rothenburg, and so on.

rod823917208 reads

Yeah, I may regret it, but for the reasons stated in my other post, decided to give it a shot. I think in part it comes down to how comfortable one feels traveling alone. I'm not as gregarious as some, and while I've done traveled solo before, don't generally like it, especially in a foreign country. In any case, I'll be sure to share my experiences in this forum so others can make an informed decision on whether to use an FKK Tour, or go it alone.

I also agree with wanting to see some other things beside FKK, which is why I have some days tacked on the end of my trip.

Went to Bernd's several years ago.  My two memories of the visit was the smokin hot Moroccan chick that I nailed, and eating bratwurst in the kitchen and losing my appetite because some dude came into kitchen stark naked with his junk hanging out just as I took a bite of my brat!

Freikörperkultur- in other words, nudism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freikörperkultur

The "official cover story" is they are nudist clubs that just HAPPEN to have a lot of, um, working girls there. :D

And, in fact, you will see a fair amount of the local German types relaxing naked outside once the weather gets nice (like at this time of year), getting massages and men's grooming, and so on. It's one of the reasons I like the FKKs and saunaclubs far more than a Nevada brothel, because it's a real cross with a men's sauna, and thus has a relaxed, European attitude towards sexuality and nudity that I feel much more at home with than here in the States, where sometimes you get a real "everything that is not forbidden is compulsory" vibe in the sex industry.

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