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when an supposed gentleman shorts any provider. I appreciate it when a provider leaves the envelope to open at a discreet moment or after I leave.

That said you seem to imply that a regular does this more than once. IMO if he shorts you once...you need to let him know. I think a nice e-mail should take care of it. Better to lose a bad client than to get shorted again...not to mention the aggravation you have expressed.

Since you seem to have more than your fair share of problems you need to change your proceedures.

I'm sure I'm going to catch a lot of flack for this but I often leave my envelope on the counter until the end of a session. I've always felt that it implied I was easy going, not in a rush and discreet about gift exchanges. I rarely to never had an issue with being shorted for my time or miscommunications when living in the city but I've found that my experiences in Tampa are leading me to need to check the envelopes at the door -- especially when providing incall services.

I'm disappointed to say that it's been a few of my regulars who have shorted me substantially. One of them shows up at least 30 minutes to an hour late when he books, stays for a full 90 minutes and then pays what I would consider a half hour rate. I like him  lot but haven't figured out how to say something yet without running him off (which has been the result when I've said something to others). Two other clients that I'd only seen once previously booked a "lunch" and a "dinner" date with me. At the end of the four hours I was expecting to see my dinner rate in the envelope and was quite disappointed to only find a gift for 90 minutes of my time. I said something to each of these individuals and they both acted like I stole their lollipop (AND went on to gossip about me behind closed doors).  One of them actually had the gall to say, "well, I thought you liked me" like that was supposed to be enough of a reason to hang out with him for hours on end. These are just a *few* examples....

I think the reason why it's happening is because people are reading the review about my hanging out with one particular client for well over the time he booked with me and I think *every client* is expecting that. I only wish the reviewer had also said that he gave 10 years of his life to fighting our war in Afghanistan and had just returned stateside. I was honored to give him the evening as I'm sure any provider would have been. I don't think that because I gave one fine gentleman an evening of my time that I should be expected to give everyone free time just because it's written in a review. Am I being unreasonable?

Guys - do you find it offensive if a girl grabs the envelope right away and runs off to go see what's inside? Have any of the other ladies had an issue with this or is it just me?

gentleman should ever short a professional. A provider who is first class should be treated (financially) like a doctor, CPA, etc. Meaning, pay the rate for the first class service and if a guy doesn't like the rate, then he should move on to a more economical alternative.

I completely agree with @keystonekid and wish you had better experiences.

Is it wrong to shamelessly plug for you to visit South Florida?

At least you didn't have that problem with our recent visit....I went the other way and overpaid.....maybe I was making up for the other knuckleheads who were trying to pull a fast one......in case they havent heard....there are no free lunches these days!!!  I always leave the envelope out. I leave it up to the provider.  The only time I felt a little weird was when a provider opened the envelope in front of me and counted.  I thought that was a tad on the tacky side.  I would suggest maybe taking it into the restroom when in a hotel room or some other room at an incall location if you want to check.  Just my 2 cents.

I hate to hear that Lola.  You need to do what you have to do and don't worry about running some cheap bastard off.  I'm going to try to see you as soon as I can--especially since you seem to like a man in uniform!  And the envelope will not be short.

I guess in the end it's really up to you.  You either put your foot down or allow it to happen once in awhile.  But the fact that guys would do that says a lot about their character, none of it complimentary.

In answer to your question, no, I would not find it offensive at all.  I put my keys and donation down and excuse myself to the bathroom.  Then the lady can count it if she wants.

Best of luck!

Alias_Schmalias1288 reads

Once again, there is NO NEED for the girl to grab the envelope. NO NEED for the guy to get offended. NO NEED to have the endless discussion about this topic or whether or not it's offensive.

Take a page out of the playbook of the smartest and most professional providers.
The envelope is to be placed in the bathroom SOON after the guy arrives, as he goes in to freshen up. Ladies, you do make him at least wash his hands first, right?!?
THEN the lady goes in to freshen up, get ready, whatever. It is then, BEFORE ANYTHING starts, that she knows exactly what she has, and if she's been cheated.

This is NOT difficult!!!!! It avoids ALL the hassle of whether or not to count in front of someone, whether to ignore the envelope, etc.

To the OP, if you have customers who are such losers and repeatedly take advantage of you, why exactly would you care if saying something to them made them go away?
Do you enjoy being treated with disrespect and taken advantage of?
Just curious.

Posted By: Lola.V.Tampa
I'm sure I'm going to catch a lot of flack for this but I often leave my envelope on the counter until the end of a session. I've always felt that it implied I was easy going, not in a rush and discreet about gift exchanges. I rarely to never had an issue with being shorted for my time or miscommunications when living in the city but I've found that my experiences in Tampa are leading me to need to check the envelopes at the door -- especially when providing incall services.

I'm disappointed to say that it's been a few of my regulars who have shorted me substantially. One of them shows up at least 30 minutes to an hour late when he books, stays for a full 90 minutes and then pays what I would consider a half hour rate. I like him  lot but haven't figured out how to say something yet without running him off (which has been the result when I've said something to others). Two other clients that I'd only seen once previously booked a "lunch" and a "dinner" date with me. At the end of the four hours I was expecting to see my dinner rate in the envelope and was quite disappointed to only find a gift for 90 minutes of my time. I said something to each of these individuals and they both acted like I stole their lollipop (AND went on to gossip about me behind closed doors).  One of them actually had the gall to say, "well, I thought you liked me" like that was supposed to be enough of a reason to hang out with him for hours on end. These are just a *few* examples....

I think the reason why it's happening is because people are reading the review about my hanging out with one particular client for well over the time he booked with me and I think *every client* is expecting that. I only wish the reviewer had also said that he gave 10 years of his life to fighting our war in Afghanistan and had just returned stateside. I was honored to give him the evening as I'm sure any provider would have been. I don't think that because I gave one fine gentleman an evening of my time that I should be expected to give everyone free time just because it's written in a review. Am I being unreasonable?

Guys - do you find it offensive if a girl grabs the envelope right away and runs off to go see what's inside? Have any of the other ladies had an issue with this or is it just me?

ChaimLiebowitz887 reads

The lady has the guys go into the bathroom to wash their hands. Clever way to get 'em away while you check it--not so easy with regulars, I guess. BTW, what is your rate if I bring my DD 214? Just kidding!

when an supposed gentleman shorts any provider. I appreciate it when a provider leaves the envelope to open at a discreet moment or after I leave.

That said you seem to imply that a regular does this more than once. IMO if he shorts you once...you need to let him know. I think a nice e-mail should take care of it. Better to lose a bad client than to get shorted again...not to mention the aggravation you have expressed.

Since you seem to have more than your fair share of problems you need to change your proceedures.

notlong1048 reads

you keep seeing people who short you; maybe they think that is ok since you accept it and see them again. a pretty big leap it is to connecting this to seeing some guy because he was fighting in Afghanistan for 10 years (which in itself is pretty unlikely). Just sounds like you need to improve the way you do business.

- I appreciate the support and understanding AND the suggestions. I'm usually doing *something to dote on my client (as opposed to clawing through the envelope) during the few moments he's washing up but shall indeed be changing my ways. INcall is a new thing for me in general. It was never on my menu when living in NY, LA or SF. It's almost like Tampa requires it due to it's small size so I offer it here. I've definitely got to learn the ropes!!

I'm in the Tampa area, and what you just said really pisses me off.  IMHO, you are being way too nice to those jerks that treated you like that, whether it be with time or the envelope, there is just no excuse for it.

From reading your post, it seems like you are not a clock-watcher and some of your clients knew that ahead of time and took advantage of your generosity.  The guy who posted about it in his review is to blame, he never should have told about you giving him extra time.  It's a shame, that you now have to be wary of guys like that.  You should not have to remind your clients of anything!!!!!

I applaud you for your rewarding the veteran for his service to his country.  It really sucks that other cheapasses played you for that, they really have no class.  YOU HAVE LOTS OF CLASS!!!!!!!

I, personally, have never had a provider count the $ right in front of me before anything happened, but there are probably many reasons for that.  I would feel very offended if she grabbed the envelope and counted it right in front of me before playing.  I think most guys would, esp us guys that have been doing this for a while....hello??????

Swim

Alias_Schmalias600 reads

There is too much of this 'if she counts it in front of me, I'm offended' garbage!

You're paying for something, right?
Do you feel the need to kid yourself about it?
Are you that weak of a person?
Can't handle the truth?

GROW UP.

A professional, seasoned companion won't do this (see my earlier post).
But if they do, handle it like a man and not a little spoiled boy.
Whining about how it affects the mood or fantasy just makes you sound pathetic and childish.
You know what it is, face it.

In any other reality, of any kind, would she be spending any time with you, or me?
NO.
So she wants to make sure she's getting what's owed to her. So what?

Face it. You, or I, aren't special. If we were, we wouldn't be exchanging cash for 'time' (sex).
A bottle of wine or candle in a Wal-Mart bag doesn't make you any more that what you are.
Deal with it.

Whether she counts it in front of you or not, that's not what you are there for. You'll still get laid, and she'll still pretend that you're special. So get over it.

... my mommy told me so!!!

In any business it is good business to count the payment.  I, for one won't be offended if a lady checks her payment, and yes the envelope was short once by me.  I counted out her fee and put it in my wallet and put my money in the envelope.  I still got a reference from this lady and see her every time I'm in DC.

So yes, count the envelope, but be discrete.

I will answer your question about the envelope first and then explain my personal feeling.  

I do find it offensive when a lady is all about the money at the door.  So in answer to your question YES.  

However there are two basic types who are part of the hobby and I do not mean it in the format of Hobbiests and providers.  What I am talking about is those who are honest and sincere versus those who are misleading and dishonest.  

I try to chose carefully and only visit LADIES who are honest and sincere.  I am the same and would NEVER short what a lady should recieve for her time.  That is just something that should be honored and we all need to remember the Ladies we visit are earning their living by creating the special time we so enjoy.

Now have I gotten burned by a very few ladies because I am trusting and expect that the time commited for will be as expected to only find I am rushed out the door before the time is up?  Yes it has happened, but that truly is rare.

The other side of that is there are a few close friends where a clock does not exist and we have even gone on a vacation or two together. Those are no longer provider / hobbiest relationships but more good friends sharing fun times together.  Those are not something I would review in a manner where someone might think that what we have would be the same for everyone.  Keep in mind these situations are with ladies I have known for MANY years and who have suggested the special times together and we have discussed what they represented before they occurred.

My entire point is we all need to be honest and not take advantage of what either the hobbiest or the provider expects from a session.  We need to just be FAIR with each other.  

It is those dishonest and misleading people who make this not fun.

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