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Re: Living in FL, where RS2K is not widely used,
1daysoon 661 reads
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Thank you...

I just want to emphasize in no way am I questioning there integrity...as they have been around for quite some time...

key:   not questioning rs2k and their operating practice... but what an individual can do with that info..granted you do research but come on...isn't that too much info...
hence why providers use stage names to protect their private lives from curious snoopers with info and a a laptop

i just don't get the whole give your:
first & last name + city/state thing out to a provide as suppose to a unique code

Doesn't  that put the customer at risk??

That would be akin to me giving that out on this board, and expecting no one to be curious and POTENTIALLY search and find out more on me

I am new and was just curious on input on why that method is still used in this day and age as suppose to other site that do a more general method for you to ID yourself, thereby, not only protecting the client but the provider as well

Only drawback is that rs2k is so chicago based from my readings

thank you


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Hello,

Let me preface that I consider myself a newbie.  I have searched on this and it has not yet been addressed or perhaps not where I discovered as I examined past threads.

Thinking of joining a verification site and its either rs2k or p411...being that i am chicago based rs2k seems the best option.

But I have a very important question that I would like an experience qualified (perhaps even rs2k member) to answer.

In this digital age:  Why does rs2k make you give your full legal name + city/state to a provider
(no problem giving them that information...but every provider???)...How hard is it then for say new rs2k provider or a rogue provider to just go and google that info or use a search database and discover all about you as you can do alot with that information.

I emailed rs2k and spoke with p411.  I like p411 setup first name some number i'm protected..

Yet there are some that i want to see that are adamant on rs2k

Has that ever been in issue(young guy here)...come on we're not in the 90's..not even 00's ....we are in an age where full name city/state you can get so much intel

I emphasize i don't question rs2k...but is that method archaic...

Curious to educated thoughts on this and is it wise in your opinion for a young professional or is p411 the better option and just forget those providers???

thank you...sorry for the length but wanted all to have a complete picture  

{extra info:  i get the price difference but for security no price for me...}

anyone that is rs2k have problems and perhaps why they employ that method...it's a catch 22 as they are more popular in chicago

I don't have any direct experience with them. I do belong to DC and P411.  I also have not heard anyone complaining about how RS2K operates on this site.  Sorry I can't be of any help in answering your questions.  Hopefully, someone with direct experience with the site will be able to help you.

Swim

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Thank you...

I just want to emphasize in no way am I questioning there integrity...as they have been around for quite some time...

key:   not questioning rs2k and their operating practice... but what an individual can do with that info..granted you do research but come on...isn't that too much info...
hence why providers use stage names to protect their private lives from curious snoopers with info and a a laptop

i just don't get the whole give your:
first & last name + city/state thing out to a provide as suppose to a unique code

Doesn't  that put the customer at risk??

That would be akin to me giving that out on this board, and expecting no one to be curious and POTENTIALLY search and find out more on me

I am new and was just curious on input on why that method is still used in this day and age as suppose to other site that do a more general method for you to ID yourself, thereby, not only protecting the client but the provider as well

Only drawback is that rs2k is so chicago based from my readings

thank you


Since you mention you are Chicago based, I would recommend RS2K.

Now....I don't understand why you are concerned about giving out your name and city and state? It's just part of the screening process. Remember this, don't consider or see girls who you may view as "Shady".

The "Individual" who runs RS2K is one of the best, and runs it in a very professional matter. You really have nothing to be worried about. As a newbie, I know it's a lot to gather and comprehend, but be discreet and smart and you'll be just fine.



1daysoon581 reads

Thank you...blaze81

My concern does not lie with rs2k having all my info...but i don't want that out to the provider

why:  because you could google that...use a database search and get alot of information about a person say via intelius for example

RS2K having all my info to screen is cool...because they dispose of it properly

It's just why the redundancy and potential privacy risk... why not a unique code akin to p411...
this way it is a win-win situation for both provider an customer

I grant out there needs to be due diligence on our part in researching the provider but info in this age is the medium to unlocking alot more

i guess bottom line is this a risk with rs2k as suppose to the others one is p411 just as good and respected??? i heard some provider say no

Posted By: Blaze81
Since you mention you are Chicago based, I would recommend RS2K.

Now....I don't understand why you are concerned about giving out your name and city and state? It's just part of the screening process. Remember this, don't consider or see girls who you may view as "Shady".

The "Individual" who runs RS2K is one of the best, and runs it in a very professional matter. You really have nothing to be worried about. As a newbie, I know it's a lot to gather and comprehend, but be discreet and smart and you'll be just fine.



-- Modified on 5/31/2012 1:41:04 AM

I understand where you're coming from, because I had the same concern when I first joined RS2K. Like I said earlier, Full name, telephone number and city and state is just part of the screening process.

And any lady who takes RS2K as a screening service, will ask you for that. If you want to "Play" with the girls, you have to be willing to compromise a little about yourself. You're not giving away your full address. It's just your city and state.

Hope you get comfortable and ease the worries, and enjoy the fun :)

1daysoon593 reads

First off, thank you again for taking the time out to answer and provide your thoughts on this issue.  It is greatly appreciated!!

1)  To your statement really no other way... I guess i would say yes and no to that
-->NO other way....... if i opt for the rs2k route
-->YES another way... if i opt for the p411 route... as they seem to be more modern in there privacy approach

2)  To your statement of:  "You're not giving away your full address. It's just your city and state."
-that's what i'm trying to say...and did in further exposition post
IF someone has your:
a) full legal name
b) city
c) state
d) phone number
--> they can easily (most likely) get your full address and other information from sites such as intelius,   us search, etc

3)  To your statement of:  "If you want to "Play" with the girls, you have to be willing to compromise a little about yourself"
-->again as mentioned in post further exposition what do you compromise with p411 as you get a unique code that avoids all this hassle

You actually helped this newbie out alot, because from what I gather from your responses... you have to be willing to compromise with rs2k but not with p411...only downer not as prevalent in midwest...
--> guess i have to count losses if privacy is in issue

So now i ask you is p411 considered okay here in illinois...do providers take it on the same level as rs2k

Hypothetically if rs2k was an a+ would p411 be an "a" or "a-" or lower??


Posted By: Blaze81
I understand where you're coming from, because I had the same concern when I first joined RS2K. Like I said earlier, Full name, telephone number and city and state is just part of the screening process.

And any lady who takes RS2K as a screening service, will ask you for that. If you want to "Play" with the girls, you have to be willing to compromise a little about yourself. You're not giving away your full address. It's just your city and state.

Hope you get comfortable and ease the worries, and enjoy the fun :)

you're not just giving your personal info to some chic off BP.  We are approved by RS2K before we can use the service too.

Second of all, P411 is every bit as trustworthy as RS2K but if you're in Chicago, you will not find it as  convenient.

Finally, even if you go with P411 there are plenty of providers who are still going to require your full name.  Many, many girls make it a condition for making an appointment no matter who else has screened you.

Your concerns are valid, and I'm not trying to minimize them, but Chicago is a tough town to hobby in - it's a FELONY if you get caught there - and the girls aren't playing around or taking any risks about seeing you if they can't establish your real identity.  That's really the bottom line.

1daysoon553 reads

Thank you...I read your response and I love your honest, concise, & REAL answer.

You did not sweep my argument under the rug but actually addressed it.  You got my line of reasoning -Thank You.

Yet it seems like p411 allows me bit more privacy as I could give my full name if they still needed that but city + state to even post verification not sure comfortable with that.


1daysoon631 reads

This is a partial copy from another reply that i did slightly modified..

Blaze81 you being part of rs2k and helpful ...i think you can help me out on this as you seem to get my point and are very gracious in your response...which i thank you for

Yet isn't the whole point of using a verification site simply a twofold reason:
1) Establish yourself as a "legit" customer...having cleared checks
2) Using a reputable 3rd party so that your personal info is not distributed to every single person you meet with but rather a central point -your verification site be it rs2k, p411, or whatever else

My mind likes to break it down simply to its core.

example....p411:  they verify you...check your background...then give you a unique way to ID yourself
from my call a first name...day of birth...some other number
So:
John Q. Public
January 1, 1900
anywhere, IL
theoretically could be: John1(+some number let's say:  4567)
retaining your privacy as a customer...yet giving comfort to the provider that you are legit
Customer wants to make an appt i presume gives:  John14567
Provider: verifies
both are happy

--->I logically can get this in this digital age as what can someone do with john1(+some number) via google or say intelius...absolutely nothing
win-win situation

The CON:  from what i gather not as used in chicago where rs2k rules the roost from what i read
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example 2...rs2k:  same situation
John Q. Public
January 1, 1900
anywhere, IL

customer seeks appt:  has to tell
John Public
anywhere, IL
provider verifies...yet provider has alot of info they can do more with

so my question is this a risk:  now person can input that data in say intelius or something else...and have access to more info than you are willing to have out there or known

---i have carefully analyzed this...and believe my point to be a totally valid question/concern in this digital age where info is at our fingertips---

catch 22:  rs2k longer more reputable in chicago... but come... on with archaic method
p411:  modern method to ID oneself but not as known or even rejected by some over rs2k



-- Modified on 5/31/2012 1:39:52 AM

-- Modified on 5/31/2012 1:41:30 AM

1day,

What it basically comes down to is a matter of trust, between You and the Provider.

As has been suggested, if You are not comfortable with your info going to a Provider, don't give it to her.

When all is said and done, and the door closes to the room, it's only you and her.

Before the appointment You have read her website, studied her TER reviews, checked her ads both here and possibly on other sites, etc.

She has an email or phone call from someone she has never met before, wanting to perform the most intimate acts two adults can do. She also has:

P411 - JohnQ14567 (But is it really JohnQ or JohnQ's buddy or someone who compromised JohnQ's information?

RS2K - JohnQ Real Name, Real City State, and when she check's his info when meeting, it better match.

Short answer - Providers (good ones) give us a Lot of trust, sometimes we need to do the same.

Chiguy

1daysoon613 reads

Thank you chiguyscorpio...

You helped me look at it from a different angle...

However, I just inquired to your p411 point... as they actually have a number... and you can actually talk to someone.

You stated:  She also has: P411 - JohnQ14567 (But is it really JohnQ or JohnQ's buddy or someone who compromised JohnQ's

-->That number at the end has to match something that you own such as last numbers of a license or library card...etc

So in theory your friend would have to have your same first name and your card (whatever you picked that would have those numbers) ... but i totally understand and get your point
because anyone could give a library card or membership card out to a friend as no picture but we are dealing with tangibilities that there could be a plethora of ....the downfalls and tangibilities with key parts of my personal data holds true with rs2k as well

Yet Thank you for that different angle ...as you opened my eyes to a different take(yet i think i sorta of addressed it above)

If it bothers you,,,,,,,                Don't Do It!

Rather that argue, and fret, and worry, just don't!!!!!!!

OP, we were all newbs at one time, and most of us, if not all of us, had the same concerns as you. It's time to either get over it, or don't hobby. Easy peasy!

1daysoon693 reads

Thank you for your reply!

However i lean towards the other 2 responses above

To say don't do it because one is curious...and might have initial fears (botherings) ..Well that negates the whole purpose of boards like this -doesn't it??  

Why does this boards exist??
-not to say well if it bothers you... don't do it....  
Contrary, the board exists...so if one does feels weary... they now have a fundus of information to come to ease those fears...which 2 people above helped to do or provide a different take

If one looks at the initial argument as several have...no one discounts, my well though out point.  Rather, they addressed the issue on hand.  as it is a legit concern for any newbie...it shows hey they are actually thinking it out and not just going willy nilly

The Elephant in the room does exist:  My approach is not... oh there is an elephant ...it bothers me...let me run away... THAT WOULD BE TOTALLY IGNORANT ON MY PART...rather my inquiry was why is that elephant there and why does this elephant do it this way and the other elephant that way...
thereby, allowing me to decide which elephant -be it the rs2k elephant or the p411 elephant to coax or approach  

one can easily see as a newbie i bring a very valid point regarding p411 and rs2k that many have gone through that i just put into written word...

For i would actually like to be an educated person approaching this as to not cause metaphorically speaking an unruly elephant that sounds its horn sorta of speak

So the issue at hand I guess is p411 just as good and do providers find this just as safe
because why not opt for the less intrusive method




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Posted By: Sphinxnc
If it bothers you,,,,,,,                Don't Do It!

Rather that argue, and fret, and worry, just don't!!!!!!!

1daysoon569 reads

i noticed on hindsight minor typos...such as come those fears....INSTEAD OF "CALM"

but the message comes across..my apologies

1day,

I'm guessing you are absolutely right regarding P411. I'm not a member of that service but I am aRS2K member.

You did get my bigger point though, and I'm glad you are being very careful while starting this hobby.

Many, many of us here have a Lot to lose, if somehow this part of our lives were to become public knowledge.

Being careful, dotting all the i's, crossing all the t's is the Right way to go.

If you lived anywhere but Chicago, as you stated earlier, I'm sure P411 or Date-Check would have been highly recommended. They are still both quality services even for Chicago, I'm sure.

But, having investigated the options for Chicago, where I also hobby now, I chose RS. While as you know, there is always risk involved, you are taking the correct steps ie; ask questions, do research, explore all options.

You are also correct that just cause there is an elephant in the room, doesn't mean you have to run from it. That's part of what the Newbie Board is for.

Chiguy

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Posted By: chiguyscorpio
1day,

I'm guessing you are absolutely right regarding P411. I'm not a member of that service but I am aRS2K member.

You did get my bigger point though, and I'm glad you are being very careful while starting this hobby.

Many, many of us here have a Lot to lose, if somehow this part of our lives were to become public knowledge.

Being careful, dotting all the i's, crossing all the t's is the Right way to go.

If you lived anywhere but Chicago, as you stated earlier, I'm sure P411 or Date-Check would have been highly recommended. They are still both quality services even for Chicago, I'm sure.

But, having investigated the options for Chicago, where I also hobby now, I chose RS. While as you know, there is always risk involved, you are taking the correct steps ie; ask questions, do research, explore all options.

You are also correct that just cause there is an elephant in the room, doesn't mean you have to run from it. That's part of what the Newbie Board is for.

Chiguy
-- Modified on 5/31/2012 6:31:36 PM

to up real information just to be listed, I will not be using them either. I can see for reasons of underage girls, but gimme a break. I have never been accused of being under 18 lol. As freakin if! If showing them over 200 reviews where guys comment on age is not enough, I guess I won't be visiting Chicago too much.

Zsa_Zsa_TaTas517 reads

I'm sorry but I think the OP is missing the point that almost all providers are STILL going to require his name, city and state to meet with him regardless of what verification board he belongs to, especially in Chicago!

That's how we screen you and that's how we leave a trail for the authorities to find you if our body turns up somewhere.
That's how we screen you to make sure you are not LE.
That's how we screen you to make sure you are not the Disney Land or CL killer et cetera.....
That's how we have recourse if you rob us or beat us up during a meeting.  

Sorry if I'm duplicating what anyone else has said, but I don't think this point is coming through and newbies seem to have the hardest time with this issue as well.

HobbyCity585 reads

I know too many escorts who are happy to verify me based on my reviews, TER Whitelist or P411 membership.

a certain board is bs. There are women who don't screen AT ALL, much less insist a guy with a review history be on any board. I require TER reviews from any lady he uses as a ref, so there ya go. I don't care if you are on every screening site around...if you don't have a six month review history HERE, he better give me another ref. Using a screening site to verify your employment does not do it for me. If you don't have refs, I want that info. Screening sites do not release your info evne if we get hurt....they just delist you and post an alert. Big whoop!

-- Modified on 6/1/2012 10:45:54 AM

1daysoon637 reads

I don't know why but as I read through posts (not any in particular but collectively)...I'm reminded of my visit to the eye doctor.

A C F 1 j L   (20/40)       You know where you see numbers and letters and they get smaller

What do they say... read the whole line or as best as you can... so they know what your vision is...If I could read the whole line... but just read one letter and isolated a point it does not give a picture at all but a distorted perception.

A C (20/100) poor vision

So on that note let me put on the spectacles of reason and hopefully see 20/20 not only for the customer but for the provider as well....Let me read the whole line... or try my best to at least...

No one is doubting the risk a provider takes:  I GRANT THAT OUT....i am all for the provider's safety

a provider's SAFETY IS PARAMOUNT!!!! I GET THAT...TRUST ME

I just subscribe to the premise that we need to evolve... as some verification sites have with time...based on my initial inquiries and responses from the actual sites...as i weigh which one...
The world changes and has so much...Even in the business world it's no longer VERTICAL but HORIZONTAL in leadership and teams.  we are in a digital age as even a previous post mentioned... come on...the scales need to be balanced at the same time offering protection...You can do so much damage with key facets of data in this age of extreme information....we are a long way from 1990 internet...along way from 2000 internet...even a long way from 2007 internet...

The post stated and i quote:  "authorities to find you if our body turns up somewhere"
also several other points with the theme of protection

Well I presume a provider has a friend or "person" that they check in with to say I'm okay and safe and if I don't call back here is where i am etc....or something akin

I am for the provider 100%....I don't ever want to see someone hurt, robbed, or whatever other evil act.  i think by my level of reasoning thus far has demonstrated that

What i don't get, as I put on my spectacles... if a provider has that person...why can't that person or even themselves do the same with p411...that is the point of the OP

couldn't one report, hypothetically speaking "John214568".....report that in ....i could be wrong... but wouldn't that give you equal recourse and protection as well as everything else the post delienated

enlighten me if i'm wrong....i'm not perfect...just curious to learn...under proper reason that is not lopsided

when you read the OP, my post, that is the premise...the theme ....the motif....the synopsis....can i sum it anymore...running out of words

Not that anyone wants to see harm to a provider.... but the customer wants to be protected as well

a WIN-WIN business model not the archaic win-lose model

also a customer is at some risk too.... not the same as a provider, i am not at all saying that, but still some
the same can happen and has happened to customers ...and what do they have as recourse a stage name....but i again 1000% get that you must have that as a provider... as providers see alot more... and are more at risk...so please get that!  i'm not equalizing the two at all...i emphatically state the provider has more of a risk...
-if you argue well they can report that stage name then you concede to the same premise that i advocate with a unique coding that a provider could do as well

But The Point that is missed... is why not protect both... and it can be done in this age

I can easily further strengthen this argument but hopefully looking at all the posts ....the theme is realized and seen with corrective lenses to both sides not just one

well you know what ...let me actually go ahead..

point 1:  That's how we screen you and that's how we leave a trail for the authorities to find you if our body turns up somewhere.

--can one not do the same by calling in a unique code as i'm sure with a body turning up p411 or the other agency that employs this modern method... would release that info out to a person or contact the proper channels with proof

---full picture a balanced approach:  how does a customer, or their friend, do that with a stage name an no city/state if it occurred to them

point 2:  That's how we screen you to make sure you are not "..."
--well i presume that's why one is seeing clients that are only verified by sites such as rs2k, p411, etc

---full picture a balanced approach:  same holds true for a customer only seeing providers cleared through the various sites

***using those sites mean you are trusting them to do there job...if one could be something one one side of the table after clearing proper screening ...the same holds true for the other side of the table***

point 3:  That's how we screen you to make sure you are not the Disney Land or CL killer
points one and 2 answer this ....similar reasoning and logic

point 4:  That's how we have recourse if you rob us or beat us up during a meeting.
see point one.... similar reasoning and logic


But i do get providers concern... and i also get a customers equally valid concern...i can see clearly through the spectacles of sound and balanced reasoning

The whole point of the OP:  In a digital age!!!! why not employ a unique coding... as some do... and trust the verification sites that one has joined for that purpose right???

Then why not join p411???? well as mentioned rs2k rules the roost from my understanding in chicago
so the OP was why the archaic method....why not modernize and be even stronger
why put people at risk of deep searches of their data
especially unique name individuals as one post stated....both sides have things they hold dear that can be lost with a crazy person....not just one side

Posted By: Zsa_Zsa_TaTas
I'm sorry but I think the OP is missing the point that almost all providers are STILL going to require his name, city and state to meet with him regardless of what verification board he belongs to, especially in Chicago!

That's how we screen you and that's how we leave a trail for the authorities to find you if our body turns up somewhere.
That's how we screen you to make sure you are not LE.
That's how we screen you to make sure you are not the Disney Land or CL killer et cetera.....
That's how we have recourse if you rob us or beat us up during a meeting.  

Sorry if I'm duplicating what anyone else has said, but I don't think this point is coming through and newbies seem to have the hardest time with this issue as well.

Zsa_Zsa_TaTas629 reads

I also get that many ladies will accept just a board verification membership and/or reviews or don't screen at all.  
They are the ones who will show up whining here about being beaten up, raped, or robbed.  
A stagename can be changed, so that is why many ladies require real life info.  I said many, I never said all ladies require it.  LE has infiltrated both DC and P411 before.  I've never heard of this happening with RS2K, but I could be wrong.  RS2K rules in Chicago and that's just the way it is.  It costs money to upgrade software and hardware to improve things.  And if RS2K is doing well and things are going smoothly why should they spend money to fix something that isn't broken for them.  

Sometimes things can be improved upon and sometime there is a reason why things are done the way they are done.  

It's beginning to sound like your wanting to start up your own verification board?  Check out your costs and then ask why the process is outdated.  

Posted By: 1daysoon
I don't know why but as I read through posts (not any in particular but collectively)...I'm reminded of my visit to the eye doctor.

A C F 1 j L   (20/40)       You know where you see numbers and letters and they get smaller

What do they say... read the whole line or as best as you can... so they know what your vision is...If I could read the whole line... but just read one letter and isolated a point it does not give a picture at all but a distorted perception.

A C (20/100) poor vision

So on that note let me put on the spectacles of reason and hopefully see 20/20 not only for the customer but for the provider as well....Let me read the whole line... or try my best to at least...

No one is doubting the risk a provider takes:  I GRANT THAT OUT....i am all for the provider's safety

a provider's SAFETY IS PARAMOUNT!!!! I GET THAT...TRUST ME

I just subscribe to the premise that we need to evolve... as some verification sites have with time...based on my initial inquiries and responses from the actual sites...as i weigh which one...
The world changes and has so much...Even in the business world it's no longer VERTICAL but HORIZONTAL in leadership and teams.  we are in a digital age as even a previous post mentioned... come on...the scales need to be balanced at the same time offering protection...You can do so much damage with key facets of data in this age of extreme information....we are a long way from 1990 internet...along way from 2000 internet...even a long way from 2007 internet...

The post stated and i quote:  "authorities to find you if our body turns up somewhere"
also several other points with the theme of protection

Well I presume a provider has a friend or "person" that they check in with to say I'm okay and safe and if I don't call back here is where i am etc....or something akin

I am for the provider 100%....I don't ever want to see someone hurt, robbed, or whatever other evil act.  i think by my level of reasoning thus far has demonstrated that

What i don't get, as I put on my spectacles... if a provider has that person...why can't that person or even themselves do the same with p411...that is the point of the OP

couldn't one report, hypothetically speaking "John214568".....report that in ....i could be wrong... but wouldn't that give you equal recourse and protection as well as everything else the post delienated

enlighten me if i'm wrong....i'm not perfect...just curious to learn...under proper reason that is not lopsided

when you read the OP, my post, that is the premise...the theme ....the motif....the synopsis....can i sum it anymore...running out of words

Not that anyone wants to see harm to a provider.... but the customer wants to be protected as well

a WIN-WIN business model not the archaic win-lose model

also a customer is at some risk too.... not the same as a provider, i am not at all saying that, but still some
the same can happen and has happened to customers ...and what do they have as recourse a stage name....but i again 1000% get that you must have that as a provider... as providers see alot more... and are more at risk...so please get that!  i'm not equalizing the two at all...i emphatically state the provider has more of a risk...
-if you argue well they can report that stage name then you concede to the same premise that i advocate with a unique coding that a provider could do as well

But The Point that is missed... is why not protect both... and it can be done in this age

I can easily further strengthen this argument but hopefully looking at all the posts ....the theme is realized and seen with corrective lenses to both sides not just one

well you know what ...let me actually go ahead..

point 1:  That's how we screen you and that's how we leave a trail for the authorities to find you if our body turns up somewhere.

--can one not do the same by calling in a unique code as i'm sure with a body turning up p411 or the other agency that employs this modern method... would release that info out to a person or contact the proper channels with proof

---full picture a balanced approach:  how does a customer, or their friend, do that with a stage name an no city/state if it occurred to them

point 2:  That's how we screen you to make sure you are not "..."
--well i presume that's why one is seeing clients that are only verified by sites such as rs2k, p411, etc

---full picture a balanced approach:  same holds true for a customer only seeing providers cleared through the various sites

***using those sites mean you are trusting them to do there job...if one could be something one one side of the table after clearing proper screening ...the same holds true for the other side of the table***

point 3:  That's how we screen you to make sure you are not the Disney Land or CL killer
points one and 2 answer this ....similar reasoning and logic

point 4:  That's how we have recourse if you rob us or beat us up during a meeting.
see point one.... similar reasoning and logic


But i do get providers concern... and i also get a customers equally valid concern...i can see clearly through the spectacles of sound and balanced reasoning

The whole point of the OP:  In a digital age!!!! why not employ a unique coding... as some do... and trust the verification sites that one has joined for that purpose right???

Then why not join p411???? well as mentioned rs2k rules the roost from my understanding in chicago
so the OP was why the archaic method....why not modernize and be even stronger
why put people at risk of deep searches of their data
especially unique name individuals as one post stated....both sides have things they hold dear that can be lost with a crazy person....not just one side
Posted By: Zsa_Zsa_TaTas
I'm sorry but I think the OP is missing the point that almost all providers are STILL going to require his name, city and state to meet with him regardless of what verification board he belongs to, especially in Chicago!

That's how we screen you and that's how we leave a trail for the authorities to find you if our body turns up somewhere.
That's how we screen you to make sure you are not LE.
That's how we screen you to make sure you are not the Disney Land or CL killer et cetera.....
That's how we have recourse if you rob us or beat us up during a meeting.  

Sorry if I'm duplicating what anyone else has said, but I don't think this point is coming through and newbies seem to have the hardest time with this issue as well.

1daysoon534 reads

Anyone that read the post would understand my point

Fallacy #1:  I also get that many ladies will accept just a board verification membership and/or reviews or don't screen at all.  
---This is not a reply to my post but should have been to another...as i said nothing about board verification...

Fallacy #2:  A stagename can be changed, so that is why many ladies require real life info
--When one READS the post...in what context is stage names being referenced to
***not a customer ....but a provider***

Valid argument if true:  "****" has infiltrated both DC and P411 before.
--This is the first legit argument that actually is of substance...THANK YOU....see i am balanced
so if your statement is right and not fiction then that is a good point and reason for one to lean in one direction
-however i think that all have had problems with my readings on this subject as none of the screen agency have a perfect track record without complaints

Potential Shady Argument:  I emphasize potential
It costs money to upgrade software and hardware to improve things.  And if RS2K is doing well and things are going smoothly why should they spend money to fix something that isn't broken for them.  
---> it seems very odd that the responses seem to know alot about rs2k...avoids addressing the others out there and presenting a balanced approach
--also odd that does not actually look at the premise as many have pointed out and agreed to

Fallacy #3:  It's beginning to sound like your wanting to start up your own verification board?  Check out your costs and then ask why the process is outdated.
--> again when one READS the actual OP it is of curiosity as others have noted and due diligence...it's odd that one would not want someone to analyze this
-->to ask a question like you want to start your own...to say it looks like...
i am sure all can find the humor and wonder what is up with that

example:  Let me ask a dry cleaner why do you use these chemicals and another this kind
-->If they said it looks like you want to start your own dry cleaning business....we all would be laughing...and say okay....rather this what we do for this reason

If one is big on getting the point...why don't we address the point in a proper manner....READING...DIGESTING....COMMENTING in a balanced method....

Notice i never attack...i look at arguments and points to learn...

Also from my post ...i approach it as an adult....there were 2 others i thanked...i did not see eye to eye but what i learned i can say thank you...i was able to appreciate a valid point with substance and say thanks for presenting another angle

that is called seeing the point





I also get that many ladies will accept just a board verification membership and/or reviews or don't screen at all.  
They are the ones who will show up whining here about being beaten up, raped, or robbed.  
A stagename can be changed, so that is why many ladies require real life info.  I said many, I never said all ladies require it.  LE has infiltrated both DC and P411 before.  I've never heard of this happening with RS2K, but I could be wrong.  RS2K rules in Chicago and that's just the way it is.  It costs money to upgrade software and hardware to improve things.  And if RS2K is doing well and things are going smoothly why should they spend money to fix something that isn't broken for them.  

Sometimes things can be improved upon and sometime there is a reason why things are done the way they are done.  

It's beginning to sound like your wanting to start up your own verification board?  Check out your costs and then ask why the process is outdated.

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1daysoon680 reads

Statement made:  And if RS2K is doing well and things are going smoothly why should they spend money to fix something that isn't broken for them.  

Sometimes things can be improved upon and sometime there is a reason why things are done the way they are done.  

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This seems ...i emphasize seems.... odd...not saying anything
--->In a matter of healthy discourse...i find it ODD...that the post defends one agency as suppose to dealing with points of the argument...addressing the issue...with logic and balanced approach

Notice i am deciding which way to go (p411 or rs2k) and always said rs2k from my readings rules the roost or seems to in chicago at least

i just was looking out for myself... as i have same fears that others have too... and don't want my info all out there

...all i wanted to know was why and be informed

i broke down an approach....and always addressed a point....

Just because.... is NEVER a valid point..... in the real world anyone takes seriously...
-Android employs this method because XYZ they can say why
-Iphone employs this method because ABC they can say why

that's why one can then choose... do i want android or an iphone...They are able to understand the way each system works and then make a choice

That is the OP!!!!

It has never been addressed why would one make you give your city, state...full legal name ...phone number in this digital age when one can get alot more info on you....NEVER ADDRESSED!!!

The attempts:  were not balanced looking at both sides of an argument... when it was attempted each point was addressed and answered of how the same is applicable for the others out there

NEVER has the issue been answered

So let's as 2 others have kindly done, plus some more.... that actually addressed the points OBJECTIVELY and not seem to lean one way

That is how one can only see the point and not miss anything
--if one is concerned about not missing the point how can one not address the entire issue  


HobbyCity638 reads

for several years now and your concerns are the exact reason why.

I have to confirm my first and last name; home city and state. It is good for the provider but not for the client.

I live actually live in a smaller town but travel to a bigger city for fun. I also have an uncommon name that nobody in my town shares.

A simple Google search will lead a provider right to my office door, the driveway of my house, give her information about my family, value of my house, my net worth, annual earnings and so forth. That is not for me.

My suggestion is to join P411. More expensive but some anonymity and peace of mind is well worth the cost. As an added bonus, the features P411 offers are incomparable to other verification sites.

1daysoon672 reads

Thanks to those that gave insight and a different perspective on this matter.  Those individual helped out!

I don't want to get into circular reasoning arguments, with those that seemed slanted and offer no valid points of substance.  

So as a preemptive measure, this will be by LAST post on this matter.  I think my previous points and counterpoints helped raised an issue and still stand no matter what posts might subsequently follow -unless of course the poster actually addresses point by point in a non-biased objective manner giving just dues to all out there (not just a particular one)...If a post doesn't -you have to analyze and say hmm addresses the issue....hmmm never touched the issue or breaks it down...

Ultimately there are pros and cons to all services out there... and if privacy is a key concern there are modern alternatives.  No service is being advocated by me...I need to make up my own mind now -and am still debating...

Scare tactics of alluding to compromised data with others (non rs2k) would have been all over these boards! I don't see it!  hmmm...makes you wonder!  It should also arise attention when one resorts to fear rather than solid evidence or reason.

About to close, let me just put 2 last foods for thought:  asbestos .....lead paint

Just because those product work!  As time/technology shows the harms to a certain way that might have worked successfully before, it doesn't matter you MUST change -well that is if you care about the customer and not just the "BUCKS"...and if you care of not harming them with the new knowledge/technology out there that COULD put a customer at risk.

Ultimately a decision is in the persons hands, and I'm about to make mine...But I wanted to put my food for thought and concern out there as well. Each out there have their merits and have been in business...so i grant out they know what they are doing...but time often demands new methods but same principles...

----  ISSUES NEVER ADDRESSED THAT SHOULD BE A CONCERN FOR ANYONE:

1)  FIRST, LAST NAME given
2)  CITY, STATE given
3)  PHONE NUMBER given

****NEVER has it been addressed that with google, intelius, us search, or some other deep web search that this enough data to potentially expose alot about a a customer thereby placing them at risk....
because anyone that goes to those sites will know that's all you need in today's day...don't believe me...go an see for yourself

NEVER has it been addressed that a party can't be protected if something were to happen to them by a phone in of a unique code as others out there use.  with proper evidence denoting they were harmed or put at risk, the provider, i am sure they would have recourse with others out there

ONLY thing out there ...yet was NEVER backed up by links or proof ....
a claim was made by a post:   that others were compromised and  only one never has been
-yet if that statement is true:
1) it would be all over on the various posts not just mine asking about this matter
-surprise surprise it's not
YET if it was true.... there would be a monopoly and all would run in one direction

Lastly, I can use my old cell from 7-8 years ago....i don't need to upgrade....i can continue to use that technology...but then i also suffer the drawbacks of doing so

Being candid:   the only thing that slightly irks me is the whole name recognition in a certain region...
but i think i might have to just lose out on that if my privacy is my concern

---yet i'm still in decide mode....thanks everyone

Take care no more from me on this matter....

{if there is another post with no substance and you happen to be in a position like me where you are still deciding....i ask you to look and analyze their post and mine and see who approaches the matter fair...or at least gives reason to their ideas.....listen 2 others saw differently from me...they gave me insight...i thought differently .....but can respect a statement of substance....yet i can't respect mere gibberish)

-THE END-

Posted By: 1daysoon
Hello,

Let me preface that I consider myself a newbie.  I have searched on this and it has not yet been addressed or perhaps not where I discovered as I examined past threads.

Thinking of joining a verification site and its either rs2k or p411...being that i am chicago based rs2k seems the best option.

But I have a very important question that I would like an experience qualified (perhaps even rs2k member) to answer.

In this digital age:  Why does rs2k make you give your full legal name + city/state to a provider
(no problem giving them that information...but every provider???)...How hard is it then for say new rs2k provider or a rogue provider to just go and google that info or use a search database and discover all about you as you can do alot with that information.

I emailed rs2k and spoke with p411.  I like p411 setup first name some number i'm protected..

Yet there are some that i want to see that are adamant on rs2k

Has that ever been in issue(young guy here)...come on we're not in the 90's..not even 00's ....we are in an age where full name city/state you can get so much intel

I emphasize i don't question rs2k...but is that method archaic...

Curious to educated thoughts on this and is it wise in your opinion for a young professional or is p411 the better option and just forget those providers???

thank you...sorry for the length but wanted all to have a complete picture  

{extra info:  i get the price difference but for security no price for me...}

anyone that is rs2k have problems and perhaps why they employ that method...it's a catch 22 as they are more popular in chicago
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