All of a sudden I can't access the Ultra GFE website, and all their visiting ladies are off Eros. Anyone know why?
Probably something due to that rediculous mob post going on yesterday about Ultra GFE being a code for BBFS. Since that's the name of their company they were being accused of promoting such activities. I've never seen any of their girl's so I don't know if it's true or not but I'm not going to worry about it either. The post seemed totally rediculous to me and what was more worrisome was the everyone jump on the band wagon attitude that followed. Who know's what that provider, or hobbyist, that you're seeing, or have seen, is doing, or has done. If it bother's anyone that much they probably shouldn't be here participating in this activity.
Ok, possible, but what does that mean for future appointments with his ladies? I hope he's not out of business. No answer on his phone so far.
And it's ridiculous not rediculous. My health is at risk here too you know.
Disgusted,
Anneke
That's a realistic attitude. Thank you for the correction though Anneke. It sure is a risk, that's why YOU, as well as everyone else need's to be responsible for your own protection. I'm not saying that it's something that anyone should do. What I'm saying is that just sweeping something under the rug doesn't make it go away. I'm fed up with all the "feel good" answer's to everyone's question's. I guess no one is seeing any of the Porn Star women? They make movie after movie BB. Regular testing or not, there are more than a few performer's in that arena who have tested positive. No one here know's anything at all about who they have as a partner in this activity, this IS a risky business. True, it can be made as safe as possible by following safe sex practice's but that's about all any of us can do. If the guy who was roasted alive in the post, (guilty or not, I have no idea) is booted from here does that mean he's going to stop seeing provider's? No, maybe he can be hunted down and locked up or shot. That's about the only way anyone is going to stop him from doing what he is alleged to be doing. We are all adult's here, all we can do is look out for our own protection because that's all we can control. What about all the guy's who see TS's as well as women provider's? That bug's me just as much, what can I do about it? Nothing, unless I decide to quit participating. Personal responsiblity is the answer here as it is regarding anything in life. This should be a very open board for open minded people, lately there has been quite a lot of close minded activity.
If TER's rating is promoting BBBJ, why made such a big deal about BBFS. A provider cannot score a perfect 10 if she doesn't include BBBJ and DFK in the menu.
Although HIV may not be the major concern, CDC has long established that BBBJ can transmit several STDs. I am not sure where DCmann came up with the GFE, GEF+, GEF++, GEF+++ and GEE++++ definition, but the idea implicitly promotes unsafe sex. So BBFS differs only to the degree of unsafe sex TER is promoting.
Research statistics showed that in vaginal intercourse with one partner known to carry HIV virus, there is only a 1 in 500 odd of infecting the other partner in every intercourse. Guys, your odd of catching HIV in BBFS is extremely low given that only a small fraction of providers actually carry HIV.
Not DCman..
First Reference on this boards was http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?BoardID=6&SortBy=DateCreated%20desc&Search=st%20bart&SearchType=1&DayFrom=1200&DayTo=0&MessageID=7638&frmSearch=1
an earlier reference to the infamous scale was made on the Boston Board http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?BoardID=9&SortBy=DateCreated%20desc&Search=st%20bart&SearchType=3&DayFrom=9000&DayTo=0&MessageID=5575&frmSearch=1
This is another I would like to know the origin of. It goes back to around 2003 and found mostly in discussion boards such as ours.
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A poster on TBD/Boston and now, Miami. It became de rigeur during one of the occasional "what is a GFE" discussions where no once can agree on what acronyms, if any, are proper to describe the "GFE" experience.
BBFS was NOT an original indicator in the St. Bart system.
After reading some of the thing's that were sent to Thirsty in the form of PM's I regret even opening my mouth. I spoke before I knew the fact's, sorry. My post sound's more like a simple minded ramble, where were you when I needed you Bigdaddy? I will say though that I don't believe most people took the term ULTRA GFE (or company for that matter) as meaning BBFS, I sure didn't.
Maybe there is another explanation - anyone care to call UGFE and ask?
I believe one of the possibilities may be as stated - possibly they don't wish to be questioned in this matter given the circumstances. I would like to know when and how Ultra GFE became synonymous with BBFS. I don't wish to debate the good or the bad just looking for the origin.
http://www.eros-dc.com/files/mi-first6-jasmin1.htm
http://www.eros-dc.com/files/mi-first6-sabina1.htm
And someone might want to tell these this agency what it means to be advertisings as Ultra GFE. Or do you think everyone knows and it really means what we think? In this case it might be a marketing ploy....
http://www.eros-dc.com/files/dc-after5-selma1.htm
http://www.eros-dc.com/files/dc-after5-agency1.htm
While we are tagging people, why not consider derivatives such as ultimate GFE and think she is also doing the dirty deed of BBFS.
http://www.eros-dc.com/files/mi-upscale1-agency26.htm
In any case, please don’t presume that I agree or disagree with the subject – just help me with understand how it became known as BBFS. If in deed we have erred in judging those who have used the term with no prior knowledge of what it has become known to mean here at TER – what have we become?
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I agree with you slipry.. This is a tough subject but I hope people don't go on a witch hunt. The D.C board is put in a tough spot because we have all either posted behind or ask for information from this person. He has always been very helpful to me and other guys. I would hope he come out and defend himself (sp) on these allegation. This subject puts a black eye on all of us here and I don't like it one bit.
Hi dude! Actually, I have the greatest respect for Thirsty as a Moderator, as he does follow the courage of his convictions, and his original very-honourable motivation was to protect indy providers, who have no agency 'top cover.'
Kudos to Thirsty, who does have a good heart! 
That being said, I did recently notice on the Boston TER Board that I was the indirect cause of a thinly-veiled threatening e-mail to Thirsty.
Neither Thirsty, nor any TER Moderator, should be threatened for following his, or her, brave heart, and I simply will not be the cause of such threats.
Hence, Farewell to the Master!
I retire from the hobby, effective immediately.
May all your dreams come true, for all hobbyists, providers, and Moderators!
Bonne chance!
dc!
Everything works out for you. You have helped out a lot of guys on this board and we are thankful for that. I am sorry it has to end this way. Take care
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many providers alike. Many got their start because of his encouragement and help. He does not deserve to go out this way and I hope he returns at some point as he will surely be missed.
I don't want a zillion pm's so I will post this under an alias. (The moderator can verify I'm a provider who has posted here before.)
Dcmann and I have exchanged several emails regarding a possible appointment.
There was never any suggestion of BBFS or "ultra GFE" terminology. His emails were always cheerful, friendly and those of a gentleman.
Furthermore, I had communications with several ladies who really liked him a lot. There was never any hint he was a pushy client or someone who asked or demanded BBFS.
I don't think we'll ever know the whole story.
In time everything may have settled down.
However the threatening email to Thirsty by an unknown person was completely wrong and made the situation grow nasty.
Therefore I think dcmann does need to stop posting.
And I shouldn't need to say that providers should never offer BBFS, not should clients ever ask. We all have to play it safe.
Getting back to the original question, the ads for UGFE ladies visiting this week are gone (they were supposed to be here through Saturday), but ads for the ladies visiting next week are up. That is good news. But I still can't access the website. Can anyone else?
I tried several times today to phone David without success. The new ads give a new phone number, so maybe I'll try again.
They weren't answering their phones on Friday, it seems.
Sooo....just because people started saying BBFS was UltraGFE they thought the agency UltraGFE offered BBFS???? Thats fucking nuts. See what rumors and gossip will do!!!!
C'MON PEOPLE! Cut the shit out already!