One of the ladies I saw frequently did, find and marry a client, divorced. One I saw infrequently did the same, divorced. Sometimes its hard to separate the fantasy from reality.
“Sex without love is a meaningless experience, but as far as meaningless experiences go its pretty damn good. “ Woody Allen I don’t know you as we have never met and here is a place to play, exchange thoughts and ideas. From what I read of you post and If we were compatible and I was a lot better off than I am now, I’d pay you on a regular basis, probably just to watch you workout. Besos.Hi all,
I realize that this might be showing my ignorance but this is a question for both hobby folk and providers. I'm not looking for specifics (rates or $ amounts, names or specific stories) this is more about methodology. Share if you like and if not, then you can take a pass or simply shoot me a PM.
As I've participated in this hobby for well over 20 years with both those who advertise and are UTR, I've become curious about spending time with providers outside of the normal 1 to 2 hour windows, (dinners, events, meetup for whatever reason or maybe a short trip). I love the hourly appointment but sometimes you meet someone you like to spend time with just being together and/or sharing life experiences.
What are your experiences or expectations around these types of arrangements? Is it just an hourly arrangement? Is there an unsaid agreement? Flat rate? Get together and work it out later? It seems like clarity between people is important. Hobby and provider expenses goes without saying, (in my opinion) but what about a person's time?
I have read about people going on trips. Arrangements and expectations were unclear and the results were disastrous. I've also read about business relationships that are long lasting with both parties becoming friends, visiting regularly outside of a typical appointment, going on trips, blah, blah, blah and the relationship continues without issue.
I'm returning to the DC area later this summer and am looking for a regular so, I'm interested in hearing how people manage these types of situations. Again, if these situations are sensitive or secret and you like to keep this close to your heart, no worries, simply pass or send me a PM.
I completely understand your desire to connect on a more personal level than what an hour here or there can achieve. I have posted more than a few times that this is as human and as primal as the acts. The enhancement of truly knowing someone AND desiring them is intoxicating. Watching her move as you are out and about...lingering touches and glances...
Some ladies actually have it very clearly posted on their websites different 'packages' which include this social downtime. Many like me do not--that can be for a couple reasons- either they are not open to it OR they prefer to discuss it individually. The latter is my take on it;however, I am very impressed with the sites that are so clear. I agree with you that it is better to be clear from the start rather than waiting until later and have muddy feelings...I have always been pleasantly gifted but every circumstance is really unique. Your instincts are correct...I suggest you do your homework and then begin to 'court' your chosen lucky lady.
Some ladies truly maintain that time is time. Most of us offer a discounted consideration if looked at in an hourly fashion for multi-hour dates. Many have very specific guidelines for expectations as to how that time can be broke down.
Happy Hunting!
Of course the meeting time, but not necessarily the end!. That way neither one is pressured by the clock. We can enjoy our time together, for as long as we are having fun. Of course if it turns into an overnight, additional compensation is required!
I would Pm Master Zen, he is the master at this and always a lot of fun. I just find an exact hourly rate is to confining but that is just me!
Hope this helps and have fun in your new venture into longer dates
And it works quite well for me! And I totally agree about Zen he rocks! 
Steph xoxo
I have done trips, weekends (fly me to you), vacations with few of my favorite long time clients / friends.
For these type of arrangements I always meet with the person for couple of short time dates, we can start at 3 hrs, then 6, increment later on for 12 hours, an overnight before traveling with someone to know each other likes & dislikes and to make sure that we click and our personalities would not crash before going on a longer date, vacation or arrangement and also to make sure that my sleeping time would be respected (very important)
I do have packages for weekends, vacations and of course; as far as airfare, hotels, food and other expenses during the trip are responsibility of the person that I am traveling with.
Same applies with arrangements...
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it depends.
Longer answer: find a person or two you're comfortable with and approach them with exactly the same questions you've posed here and hash it out. There is no one formula. Maybe they reject it completely, maybe that's exactly what they want. You never know until you ask. Be proactive and think about all the possible factors and figure out what works.
xo
OTC time, "real" friendships where both knew personal info about each other and, of course all of the horror stories when it went wrong.
i always thought it was strange that hobbyists sought these out and when escorts offered it. Hobbyists are supposed to be seeking something outside of a relationship, primarily sex. Why would they want to complicate the business transaction / service with a personal relationship? I assume the last thing an escort wants from a client is personal relationship.
However, after about 7 years of this endeavor it has happened to me. She doesn't charge me anymore. it's not something that was ever brought up in any conversation. You could say I've already paid for it from seeing her the past few years. Maybe because we didn't see each other that often. It was never a weekly or monthly appointment. I honestly don't think about it.
I guess we just get along.
i don't know that a methodology exists??? If you set it up by paying her in advance you have $ risks. A flat rate ? She might balk at the amount of time you expect to get out of a day.
Maybe you try it for only a 3 month period???
on provider sites that were for extended time periods were not really "discounted" that much. At least not for what I'm assuming you're looking for. So...
I think that it would be beneficial to have some specifics. If a lady had a rate of $300/hr, it would be a complete non-starter for me (and probably most people) if she more or less had the same rate for longer excursions. Hypothetically speaking, say I have seen a lady a few times and wanted to spend a full day with her, would the following be out of line or insulting? The classic "it depends" answer is not helpful. Her rate is $300. I would like to spend the full day with her --- say from noon to 10 pm. Lunch. Shopping (yeah, I buy her some stuff). Kayaking under the bridge or a movie or a show or something or some combination thereof. Then back to the hotel (private time). Dinner. Movie and/or talk. Hotel (private time). Date over. Obviously, I pay for all of the costs. But if her hourly rate is $300/hr, would $800 for the full day be offensive or reasonable? Especially given that my costs might be $200. If her hourly rate was $500/hr, would $1,200 for the full day be offensive or reasonable? Thoughts?
Honestly, I don't think her hourly rate is the place to jump off of. Just can't with her and see where that takes you both. I agree with the others before me. You got some A-list advice and frame of reference on your questions. I have true friendships and romances within the hobby. Take your time and choose one of the lovely ladies. Most of us do longer dates...I would assume you will go with a local lady or a traveling one who will be here through your dates so that you can see her multiple times. Like all dates, you may actually have to go out with several ladies before you find the right one to spend lots of time with.
I think that the hourly rate should be used as a starting point for determining a flat rate. Thoughts? The examples above are more or less what I would think would be reasonable. Quite frankly, I don't know any guys who would consider much more than what I provided in the examples. There are just too many other ways to spend your money. And I doubt that many of the ladies that just more or less apply an hourly rate to an 8-10 hour date ever get any takers. Might look good up on the website, however.
Wow! Seriously off base there! Time is money and why would anyone give up an entire day for 800 dollars! That's crazy! Lol
I would think that there would be a lot of reasons. To break up the monotony, to more or less have a day off from seeing more than 1 guy, to get out of the hotel room, and perhaps most importantly, it would seem to make a lot of sense for a lady that is not high volume. A lady could see 1 guy and have fun or she could see 3-4 guys and clear or take home about the same. I would look at it differently if all of the time was spent in the bedroom.
You are assuming that the lady in question has no life outside of this. I have family, school and varied interests and I am not high volume. So guess I see it differently. Lots of things I can do with my time, and not be bored But that's just me.
i agree. $2000 would be closer to a real good discounted rate for that time.
I don't know the type of ladies that you meet, but I have a very busy life, with many responsibilities and my FUN time is with my girlfriends, family and solo time and not with "clients" that do not appreciate me and my time....
I think that the hourly rate should be used as a starting point for determining a flat rate. Thoughts? The examples above are more or less what I would think would be reasonable. Quite frankly, I don't know any guys who would consider much more than what I provided in the examples. There are just too many other ways to spend your money. And I doubt that many of the ladies that just more or less apply an hourly rate to an 8-10 hour date ever get any takers. Might look good up on the website, however.
....probably isn't giving a 4hr date for less than 1200 either.
To clarify: 8-10 hrs of a full 24 hour day. But arguably more or less the same thing as 24 hours. Anyways, once you start talking about $1,500+, then for the overwhelming majority of guys there are simply much, much better options. Many guys could simply take a 3-4 day vacation to somewhere in Central/South America/the Caribbean and have the time of their life for $1,500+. A short breakdown:
* Airfare from 1 of the 3 local airports: $300 round trip
* 3.5+ star hotel for 3-4 days: $300 ($75-$100 per night)
* 3 x 8-10 hour dates with either 3 different ladies or the same lady: $900 ($300 x 3)
And, quite frankly, you could find ladies that are of the same quality as the Latina ladies in the DC area that charge $400-$500/hr.
Thoughts from the guys who know what I am talking about?
To clarify: 8-10 hrs of a full 24 hour day. But arguably more or less the same thing as 24 hours. Anyways, once you start talking about $1,500+, then for the overwhelming majority of guys there are simply much, much better options. Many guys could simply take a 3-4 day vacation to somewhere in Central/South America/the Caribbean and have the time of their life for $1,500+. A short breakdown:
* Airfare from 1 of the 3 local airports: $300 round trip
* 3.5+ star hotel for 3-4 days: $300 ($75-$100 per night)
* 3 x 8-10 hour dates with either 3 different ladies or the same lady: $900 ($300 x 3)
And, quite frankly, you could find ladies that are of the same quality as the Latina ladies in the DC area that charge $400-$500/hr.
Thoughts from the guys who know what I am talking about?
To clarify: 8-10 hrs of a full 24 hour day. But arguably more or less the same thing as 24 hours. Anyways, once you start talking about $1,500+, then for the overwhelming majority of guys there are simply much, much better options. Many guys could simply take a 3-4 day vacation to somewhere in Central/South America/the Caribbean and have the time of their life for $1,500+. A short breakdown:
* Airfare from 1 of the 3 local airports: $300 round trip
* 3.5+ star hotel for 3-4 days: $300 ($75-$100 per night)
* 3 x 8-10 hour dates with either 3 different ladies or the same lady: $900 ($300 x 3)
And, quite frankly, you could find ladies that are of the same quality as the Latina ladies in the DC area that charge $400-$500/hr.
Thoughts from the guys who know what I am talking about?
After reading this, all I can say is if you're looking for a regular in the area PLEASE don't pick me.
So often I see guys with this perspective but that is ONE perspective from ONE (seemingly smaller) wallet. Your budget is based upon many factors, much like our rates. If your budget is $800 for 8-10 hours then as previously mentioned I would suggest that you stick to providers that are a bit more desperate.
All that people are doing is trying to understand how different people think about these sorts of situations so that they feel more comfortable and confident. Most people would expect a lower hourly rate if you are seeing a lady for, say, 8 hours. Some ladies advertise that rate. Others (probably the vast majority) don't. A guy wanted to know how he should think about a lady who didn't provide this information. Your hourly rate, for example, is $400/hr, but if a guy wants to see you for 8 hours, your fee is $1,600, which means that your hourly rate would would be $200/hr or 50% of your 1 hour rate for an 8 hour appointment. Using the same reasoning, $800 might be more or less appropriate for a lady whose hourly rate was $200/hr since that is also 50% of her 1 hour rate. So I don't think that this has anything to do with desperation, but rather other considerations such as hourly rate, whether or not she feels as though she believes that she would have fun or be bored, whether or not she is low or high volume, whether or not she has a family, her sunk costs, her preferences, etc. And I think don't think that this has much to do with the size of a wallet, ether. It is all about considering options and maximizing value.
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i know what you mean about maximizing value. As i mentioned before some "discounted" rates aren't really much of a discount. However, that problem is easily avoided by finding someone that makes you ignore the rate.
For instance I have a $450 90 minute rate (no 60 minute rate). My 3 hour rate including social time is $850 and $1100 for 4 hours. You do the math on my hourly rate for 3 and 4 hours. Point being YES the hourly rate goes down on extended date and I know ladies who have similar biz models.
Good luck with that $800 for the full day. Not saying you can't get it "somewhere" but IMO to ask a lady who already has extended rates listed, YES it would be offensive to contact her with that $800/full day thing ad yu'd probably end up on her DNS list.
IMO, $800 is too low for that amount of time.
Kinda liked her so offered a ride. Stunningly she said yes and 6 months later I was juggling my emotions. She was really cool with me and we ran around town together. She way WAY younger than me so I knew I was obviously not her type. But we had fun. Got difficult for me when she would ask me to vaporize for an hour. Saw guys come and go. In the end I knew her biz and I simply backed off. But DAMN it was fun. She was crAZy hot and I really liked her but ... don't ever forget the game we play.
I got what I was looking for, I look forward to meeting some new friends and seeing what transpires.
Several years ago I broached the subject of multiday travel with a provider I had seen a few times; it felt like it might work out. At the time she was charging 300/hr. She quoted about 1K /day back then. This was several years ago.
I reasoned at the time that she was not high volume and likely made in that vicinity daily considering she also had to cover other expenses usually. I offer this as a way to gauge a reasonable starting offer. Of course be sure to consider other related expenses like hotels, restaurants, entertainment and of course air fares. In the example I gave, the final cost was about 2.5 times her quote for everything. I have done this several times now and the numbers hold up, at least for me.
This is BUSINESS. If you want someone to hang around with get a girlfriend. Yes, as we have seen on previous post sometimes some of the ladies and gents are friends and get together but that is a rarity. I believe that what some really want is a beautiful FWB. Do you give free assistance in your job?
That said, I have spent time with one of the ladies for Christmas off the clock. I have had one lady give me money back. I have had one lady pay the agency for our time together.
I am friends with a couple of the ladies in the business. One I pay just to sit and talk, maybe a hug and a kiss, because this is a way she makes a living. Would I like to see her outside of the 'hobby' sure, but I won't. There is another I expect we will be having lunch together in the near future, off the clock. If that should lead to something more, she'll get paid.
Again, for those that are thick headed, these are business women. The business is so personal that occasionally its easy to lose yourself. Maybe and the end of each session it should be required that some of us be slapped and told to wake up.
If a gentleman doesn't want to have the "exchange at the start of the date" because our relationship is close and we know each other for a long period of time or because he doesnt like to feel like a transaction in the meeting and we are more personable to each other (than other dates), he can definitely PayPal, transfer to my business bank account (witch is very discreet), or venmo for example... prior our meeting, or monthly, or bi-weekly. (prepaid of course instead of being "off the clock").
I have done this with couple of gentleman (of course when we have seeing each other for a certain period of time and we can to go that level of trust).
That's why an arrangement works perfectly fine, specially when there's other type of communication between appointments, (text messages, calls, etc). Time is $$$ and I don't think anyone is in here to get married or find a lifetime partner!
This is BUSINESS. If you want someone to hang around with get a girlfriend. Yes, as we have seen on previous post sometimes some of the ladies and gents are friends and get together but that is a rarity. I believe that what some really want is a beautiful FWB. Do you give free assistance in your job?
That said, I have spent time with one of the ladies for Christmas off the clock. I have had one lady give me money back. I have had one lady pay the agency for our time together.
I am friends with a couple of the ladies in the business. One I pay just to sit and talk, maybe a hug and a kiss, because this is a way she makes a living. Would I like to see her outside of the 'hobby' sure, but I won't. There is another I expect we will be having lunch together in the near future, off the clock. If that should lead to something more, she'll get paid.
Again, for those that are thick headed, these are business women. The business is so personal that occasionally its easy to lose yourself. Maybe and the end of each session it should be required that some of us be slapped and told to wake up.
One of the ladies I saw frequently did, find and marry a client, divorced. One I saw infrequently did the same, divorced. Sometimes its hard to separate the fantasy from reality.
“Sex without love is a meaningless experience, but as far as meaningless experiences go its pretty damn good. “ Woody Allen
I don’t know you as we have never met and here is a place to play, exchange thoughts and ideas. From what I read of you post and If we were compatible and I was a lot better off than I am now, I’d pay you on a regular basis, probably just to watch you workout. Besos.
it is a business. What makes business sense for some is different from what makes business sense for others.