I have never seen so many ads at +$1,000 per hour before.
Pussy is definitely getting expensive.
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It's not *just* the money. At some point a girl just realizes that gentlemen with the means to pay more are less of a hassle to deal with. And if you're appealing and good at what you do, you simplify your life by filtering out the others. Because when it's more fun and less work, it's better for both parties.
Personally when I raised my rates, I eliminated Zip Code Hobbyists overnight. "Hey let me know when you'll be in Tysons" or "oh sorry babe, Dupont Circle is too far for me" became a thing of the past. The friends I have now treat it like a leisurely pursuit instead of a search for the nearest Target.
That's just one major difference. I'd be here all day if I tried to list them all. Point is, it's just more fun now. And yes, more lucrative.
It is definitely interesting to see from "inside" the market! I have provider friends who had rates in that neighborhood, and I also have chatted with providers with a much more low-rate, high-volume book of business.
High rates usually come with high variance. Perhaps the provider has enough confidence in her ability to generate the volume of business she wants at those rates, and has the financial stamina or cushion to weather the variance. I think that providers really do get basic microeconomics of the "hobby" market, at least when it comes to rate-setting.
It is definitely interesting to see from "inside" the market! I have provider friends who had rates in that neighborhood, and I also have chatted with providers with a much more low-rate, high-volume book of business.
High rates usually come with high variance. Perhaps the provider has enough confidence in her ability to generate the volume of business she wants at those rates, and has the financial stamina or cushion to weather the variance. I think that providers really do get basic microeconomics of the "hobby" market, at least when it comes to rate-setting.
However, if a lady isn't willing to do a higher volume than the point is moot. economy of scale works....but it's depends on the number of guys she is willing to see per week.
I realize I'm late to the post, but I disagree. As a gentleman myself who has seen both low-scale and high-end providers, I would say I definitely tend to stick with the higher end girls. And in fact, I will see a girl who is 1000/hr multiple times in a month. I would think that us guys who spend more per hour definitely hold at least a little more value than a guy who pays less.
I would also think that guys that are looking for 300 an hour girls aren't seeing them 4x a month - and if they are, it's probably an agency type of client who just loves variety. Just mho though.
And putting our pretty pussies on display is getting expensive too.
Advertising, photoshoots, incall and presentation (hair, makeup, clothing, maintenance, ect)
This is thousands a month alone.
there is probably some truth to that, for most providers. but girls ask for 1K because they're greedy
That's a possibility.
Or maybe they want to see less than 3 men a week at their current status. Clearly someone is paying so they are attracting their market.
Last night I was watching a TV show and there's a 1.2k cocktail... If someone is willing to pay that for a drink they are surly willing to pay that for companionship. So then she would have to look the part, probably live in that area... Not everything has to be viewed with a scope of malice.
because they're too lazy to work hard enough to afford it.
See how ridiculous assumptions can work?
At $1K per hour, it makes more sense to fly to Germany for a grand and then get unlimited twenty year old Ukrainian 9's and 10's for 1 hour GFE bliss at $60 a round, $60 additional for anal etc.
Hell, its hard to imagine a $1K per hour girl really having any edge over a $500 or even $300 girl. It's like a Prada purse or a GW University degree perhaps... excessive pricing irrespective of quality becomes a feature not a bug, conspicuous consumption of luxury goods... but who are you showing off to, yourself? Not like execs are out showing off their $1K hooker trysts like their Bentley.
Boy, prohibition sure does odd things to a market
Maybe, but those who have it to spend at least know you didn't go there.
i hear that a lot. that guys like going to other countries because its cheaper for escorts.... but at the same time escorts here pay higher rent higher everything so even though it makes sense to pay less cause other places pay less for the same type of girl this isnt the same standard of living
Of course it's hard for YOU to imagine - A grand is like 3-4% of you make annually working as a mall cop. On the other hand, I find it hard to imagine that someone would suffer the misery of playing in the same miserable pool of trashy hookers that you do. Weighed against that wretchedness, a grand or two or three feels like a bargain. I'd sooner rely on my charms than pay ANY amount for a subpar quickie at the Laquinta with a fifth tier wench.
Boy, financial standing sure does odd things to a person's perspective.
Tell us all how rich you are....
Nothing says desperate more loudly.
In the context of that exchange, that really wasn't the takeaway, but whatever. If you're so engrossed by how well off I am, we can talk about that too. I'm not giving to pay you to blow me, though, if that's where this is going.
Desperation...spelled out in many more words than necessary.
Wow, you sure did take that personally didn't you sport. Whatsamatter, not feeling affirmed enough lately?
Because your comebacks aren't that clever
I do have to say you win marks for cleverness and audacity in your venom. All your posts are angry and pointlessly insulting of somebody of other, but they are truly clever and I usually laugh out loud
"The way Trachtenberg saw it, selling George Washington over the other schools was like selling one brand of vodka over another. Vodka, he points out, is a colorless, odorless liquid that varies little by maker. ***He realized the same was true among national private universities: It was as simple as raising the price and upgrading the packaging to create the illusion of quality.*** Trachtenberg gambled that prospective students would see costly tuition as a sign of quality, and he was right. "People equate price with the value of their education," he says." (from The Atlantic "Meet the High Priest of Runaway College Inflation (He Regrets Nothing)")
I rest my case! Of course, there is no prohibition on vodka or GW University, so that thesis is right out...though the legalization in Germany and its effect on prices still seems instructive.
There is a thing called implied demand, where raising the price of an item actually increases demand for it, for instance certain champagnes, jewelry, watches.
There is another term called "brand halo" where you are able to create a perception of quality rather than an actual value.
BUT... IMHO, the prices come down to time. Sure you can go to Germany, but try to do that over lunch.
Several providers sent me texts this week asking for money for hotel rooms. A few are posting on male sections of ad sites.
Job market is rough too. It is taking much longer to find jobs these days. Its an employers market, many are taking their time in terms of getting back to people for interviews and hiring decisions. Very stringent screen requirements (online tests, multiple phone screen for interviews (4 to 5 sometimes), multiple in job interviews, alphabet soup of requirements. Never seen anything like it.
2 phone screenings and 3 in-person interviews for the civvie job I've had since 2014 (online test or tests in-person as part of the interview isn't new to me though). The time gaps for calls in-between interviews was a mind-fuck too.
I'd never gone through anything like that before lol.
I was pretty used to being hired on the spot lol but oh no the process of applying to official offer was almost 4 frickin' months.
The alphabet soup requirements for a lot of jobs in pretty spot on too lol (i've been looking because I like what I have but I like to see what's out there).
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But I think microtransactions would be better for whale hunting. Like a guy that gets the FBSM package would have to wait minimum 2 Months to see the lady again for any package. However, the standard service guy has to wait minimum 1 month to see a lady again. GFE guys has to wait 2 weeks. GFE+ guy has to wait 1 week.
You can have lower package taste test prices...but those are very limited spots with higher wait times. Ya know, just like an iPhone game!!! For average lady the 2% of guys that spend $1,000 per month or more make up 40% of her revenues. The guys that spend $300 per month or more make up 90% of her revenues. The top whale probably spend $900- $1,500 per month.
I don't think $1,000 per hour is sustainable as food prices are plummeting daily and most ladies don't have the cachet to commands such rates. Repeat customers is important any business. Teaser rate and repeat customers spending $350 per week ($1400 per month) is a better business model than a rando on business that spends $1,000 for 1hr during a lunch break.
At the end of the day a lady can charge anything see wants. But also at the end of the day it's about what someone is willing to pay. How many dudes is going to pay $1,000 per week for an hour aka $48,000 per year and not her be a live in GF so to speak?!?! nope!
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Life410 makes very reasonable and economically educated points and I agree. My price range is 300 - 500. At any given time I have 25 well researched girls on my P411 favorites list in that price range plus two or three agencies I deal with. In each case the girls look like NY catwalk models (or better) and perform basically like every other girl who's reviews I have read (there are only three holes you can stick it in). I focus on two or three regulars and use the favorites list and agencies for the occasional new experience and as a backup if my regulars have to cancel. A friend of mine was rated a Fortune top 50 financial advisor. Before he died he made a very profound statement to me I will never forget. He said "The free market system is much too efficient to allow anyone to make money easily." So everything is a bell curve for sure. And there are girls who do make a lot of money (like maybe 10,000 a day for weekends on yachts in the Mediterranean) but they all have been on the pages, if not covers, of big time lingerie magazines and have full time professional agency managers. I think, for the hourly employees here, maybe $1000 an hour, in the long run, will not pay your bills for the reasons Life410 give. However, that said, this is a wonderfully free unregulated market to run a business in.
Life410 makes very reasonable and economically educated points and I agree. My price range is 300 - 500. At any given time I have 25 well researched girls on my P411 favorites list in that price range plus two or three agencies I deal with. In each case the girls look like NY catwalk models (or better) and perform basically like every other girl who's reviews I have read (there are only three holes you can stick it in). I focus on two or three regulars and use the favorites list and agencies for the occasional new experience and as a backup if my regulars have to cancel. A friend of mine was rated a Fortune top 50 financial advisor. Before he died he made a very profound statement to me I will never forget. He said "The free market system is much too efficient to allow anyone to make money easily." So everything is a bell curve for sure. And there are girls who do make a lot of money (like maybe 10,000 a day for weekends on yachts in the Mediterranean) but they all have been on the pages, if not covers, of big time lingerie magazines and have full time professional agency managers. I think, for the hourly employees here, maybe $1000 an hour, in the long run, will not pay your bills for the reasons Life410 give. However, that said, this is a wonderfully free unregulated market to run a business in.
That being said. Free Market has a glaring fallacy....it assumes equal knowledge. Since most people don't know everything about everything you need government oversight....otherwise people would be hustled every single day by a business.
The Free Market of the hobby works because we essentially have equal knowledge of the ladies due to the power of the internet....and everyone understand how "companionship" works. I don't need a PHD to understand the services being provided, lol.
I scan here, twitter, and P411. I see someone that scratches my itch I don't really care what their rate is... I tend to end up in the 500-800 range. I've paid 1100/hr and it was a fantastic time and I don't regret it. Sure it wasn't significantly better than the experiences I've had at the time 800 or even 500. But that's not the point. The point is that I wanted this person. I can have them. That's the cost.
What's more annoying to me is 2hr minimums at 1400 or 1500. I've found that 60 or 90 is my sweet spot.
Would definitely agree. I think the 2 hour minimums are a pain. I feel like I end up in the 600-800 range-ish. But I often find myself shelling out a couple grand per gal.
I'm not sure if I just have high standards, or maybe it's just the feeling of seeing a naked woman to some guys - but although the experience between that of a 700/hr hooker and a 1200/hr hooker isn't all the difference, I do find higher priced women to be much more attractive - assuming it's because they price their value higher and therefore think higher of their worth and thus take better care of themselves - but overall the blowjobs and actual sex isn't too different.
I honestly have seen a pretty large range in price, and can say that 9/10 of the girls I've seen under 500$ are your normal looking women. Wouldn't say they look like they walk catwalks or anything. But then again, most women are normal looking. There's a small percentage that would be deemed above average.
My Rates are 450hr to 750 for 2hrs GFE
so every man has his rage of what he want's to pay or can pay
I've thought a lot about the economics of the industry. My advice, FWIW, is a lady should aim to have a relatively high price for the first hour. That screens out the zipcode hobbyists etc. But then offer progressively lower rates for extended engagements. IE, 500 for an hour, 700 for 90 minutes, 800 for two hours, 1000 for three hours, etc. That encourages guys to take longer dates, which allows for a more relaxed and enjoyable experience for everyone -- and more money for you. Someone willing to pay $500 likely is just as willing to pay $800 for two hours.
I had a biology professor in junior college who told us he had graduated with a major in chemistry and landed his first post college job in a cold cream factory. From a large vat of cold cream, some of it was bottled and shipped to the high end shops and sold at a high price. From the SAME vat more of the cold cream was bottled and shipped to the 5 & dime stores to be sold for...a dime?
It's all mostly perception.
The U.S. dollar is off to its worst start since 1985 – down 9% this year.
I can understand multi hour for that rate but not for one hour. I keep my rates average for my service area and I haven't had any complaints yet. I guess they know I'm worth every cent hehe
There are definitly providers out there that are well worth the higher end rates, but they've earned the status with stellar performance and care of their craft. Unfortunately, there seems to be more and more random indies that will charge outrageous rates and have no reviews. Can't blame a gal for trying to get the most bang for their fuck but am more annoyed tahat the community seems to have stopped the mini review and info on newbies does not seem to flow as easily. Am guilty of not posting mini's or reviews in general, just wondering why this may be happening?
Agree with the other post that part of the fun is being able to scratch an itch when it comes and not blinking because you can, but when it comes to providers (and not just talking about in the hobby but any provider that will get paid for their time to deal with another persons bullshit ie: lawyers or therapists). there seems to be a standard amount of money that people have decided that if you pay 3-5 hundred a good lawyer or therapist or provider will put up with another persons crap for an hour. So creeping above the standard without reviews seems off putting.
Where are you looking at ads if you're seeing so many 1000/hr girls? I'm just wondering, if I'm simply scrolling through P411 then maybe a few girls out of every 25-30 that I click are priced that high. If I want to find high priced women on P411 I have to specifically search those thigh price points. Same for TER. And on Eros, I find that girls that are around 1000/hr and up are only abundant in cities like NYC, LA, and DC. And tbh all the women are overpriced in California. I feel like I see a lot of average looking women for 700-900$ out there.
I think the 1000/hr trend just depends what cities/surrounding areas you're browsing in. If I'm looking in Texas, I might see one or two IF that, in that price range. I just don't really think there are that many high priced gals as you think. But of the high priced gals, I don't know if it's inflated ego or just gals trying to go at it from a business angle.