I've been a ts connoiseur for years, and I've noticed that just in the past 5 years prices have gone sky high. Not just inflationary high, but outrageously high. Let me explain.
Only 5 years ago I was getting great quality TS experiences - sometimes gfe's - for $60. I'm not kidding nor exaggerating; yes, here in Los Angeles.
Then I kind of just kept going to the same one for a long time, she always charged me $60, then it went up to $80 about 3 years ago...
I really did not call any since then, I had a steady sexual outlet and found that just watching ts porn and fantasizing was enough.
Now, I look at these sites, and I see most girls are starting at $200, going up to $300+ per hour.
Excuse my French, but you've got to be fucking KIDDING me! What provider is worth $300/hour, I'd like to know!?
I guess if I were rich it wouldn't matter, but are all you guys here rich, or do you just not mind paying several days' pay for an hour or less of sex with a provider?
No offense meant, I'm just wondering how and why prices went up this high? Is there a lot more demand than there used to be? Are ts's the "in" thing for horny guys to do, now?
I love women and I love ts's, and I won't pay $300 an hour for either one!
So the big question I have is, do you guys really pay this much? Or is this a kind of "wink wink" price that only a few newbies pay?
IF the price really is this high, I'll save my money, take a flight to Mexico or Costa Rica or Brazil or Thailand, and 1) have a great vacation; 2) get girls for $15-50/hour and 3) have a lot more fun than just going to some ts's apartment and throwing down 3 bill$.
I'm sure I'm going to get slammed, but I really would like to know WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED to reasonably priced quality ts prostitutes in the U.S.A.?
my guess would be that prices may be higher for you because there is less business rather than higher demand. If you do a little checking on your own it doesn't take alot of research to find out that the percentage of ts sex workers with std's (including hiv) is pretty high. I'll repeat that I'm only guessing but one thing I'm sure about is that I'm out of that hobby for good. By the way, your listed prices were low. The avg price has been 150/half hour for some time now and has not gone up for several years.
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Excuse my French, but you've got to be fucking KIDDING me!
What provider is worth $300/hour, I'd like to know!?
do you just not mind paying several days' pay for an hour or less of sex with a provider?
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if $300 is 'several days pay' ...
we'll assume several means 3-5 days, which equates to a job that pays $300 to $500 a week..
$300 a week is $60 a day, $1200 a month, about $14,400 a year.
$500 a week is $100 a day, $2000 a month, about $24,000 a year.
i think much can be discerned about your reluctance and inability to pay $300 an hour just by looking at the proposed annual salary figures.
most people make a lot more than that a year.
i'm in my mid 20's. i'm a lowly software developer at a small-ish internet company. i have no college degree. i make almost 1200 a week. 250 bucks a day. almost 60,000 a year. some of my coworkers make in excess of 100,000, which is about $500 a day. keep in mind, theres lots of people who make way more than 100k a year, too.
im not rich, by any stretch of the imagination, yet i have no problem with $300 an hour. i'll have even less of a problem as my income increases.
just because there exists a person who cannot afford something, does not invalidate the quality of the goods or services in question.
i want a boat. i cant afford it. its still an awesome boat. yet i'm not compelled to say the boatbuilder is out of his 'fucking' mind... i simply say i need to work on earning more money, so i can afford a boat and all the trappings of boat ownership...
is mercedes a bad car because there exists a person who cannot afford to own one?
is a beverly hills home a slum because there exists a person who cannot afford the rent there?
there exist alternatives to higher priced cars and higher-priced homes.
there exist alternatives to higher-priced escorts.
as with cars and homes, lower priced escorts are available. ive noticed the $50 and $60 dollar girls walking the streets downtown, but they're not my type. as with naturalborn female girls the really hot t-girls come at a greater cost. especially with t-girls, since the hot ones have spent a good bit of money and effort to become who they are.
i've looked through the genetic girl escort ads, and regularly see $700 and $1000 an hour girls, and the occasional $1500 an hour girl. i'm glad that there are not as many customers for tgirls, as this reduced demand will tend to cap the price of tgirl escorts. as the demand increases, so will the prices. if a girl could only see 10 customers a month, it makes sense that she see the 10 customers who have the ability to pay $300.
prices of many things have increased, including dating a girl, whether it be the expense and time of taking her to the movies, dinner, and drinks afterwards, or foregoing the formalities and just paying her for what one would only hope to get after a movie, dinner, and drinks.
with the soaring cost of monthly rent and utilities ($2200), car payment($560), insurance($240), gas($275) etc, it seems unreasonable for people to expect "reasonably priced quality ts prostitutes in the U.S.A." to remain in the "$60" range....
dont point the finger at the girls ("you've got to be fucking KIDDING me! What provider is worth $300/hour, I'd like to know!?") and say they're too expensive, if the best you can muster is around a $15,000 or $20,000 annual salary.
what you are forgetting is the taxes we have to pay, so you are certainly not taking home near $60 grand. and the providers don't have to pay taxes so they don't have to make as much...
Posted by annafan4 , 6/11/2006 10:22:11 PM annafan4 wrote:
"what you are forgetting is the taxes we have to pay, so you are certainly not taking home near $60 grand. and the providers don't have to pay taxes so they don't have to make as much..."
Thank you, that is what I was going to say. I make about $50k a year, and after union dues, health plan deductions, 401k, taxes and s.s. deductions I bring hom only about $125/day, so yes, $300 is more than 2 days pay.
I'm not saying it isn't worth it, I was simply stating that I have experienced something like "sticker shock" after not seeing a ts for a few years, here in the U.S., and that it seems pretty outrageously high, especially since only 5-6 years ago it was less than HALF that much where I live.
So, again, I post: What happened? It seems to me that demand is up, providers are also up (definitely there are a lot MORE than before) so you'd think that with more providers the price would go down, not up.
I would think u get what u pay for. the man that jus posted said it perfect. Why come here and complain if u cant afford it, save ur pennies bro or go to santa monice blvd im sure u can find a 20 dollar hooker and save ur self the whole 40.
i find that the local girls charge $200 and the traveling stars charge $300 on average. and on the claim that it is too much, are you kidding!! i still cant belive how many porn stars only charge $300.you buy or rent a dvd with these hot girls that you masturbate to, fantasy right ?no way will you ever get to be with a piece off ass like that? well for $300 when they are in your city you give them a call, 1 hr later you have there cock up your ass or in your mouth and there load all over your face , this is a dream come true and all for only $300.i would not complain!!!
You are all missing the point in your haste to slam this guy. Prices have gone up, way up. I started hobbying a few years ago and today I find the same prices for genetic women I did a few years ago while TS prices seem to have almost doubled. All this guy did was ask why and I think it's a valid question.
Yes, prices are higher than they used to be. But gasoline was less than $1/gal not too long ago either.
Prices have gone up as part of supply-and-demand. TS providers are more 'mainstream' than they used to be, so there's more demand for their time. Think of it this way: Compare the amount of TS porn you can find in your 'average' video store 10 years ago vs. now.
I think the reason prices have gone up is because of the internet. Girls have gone from being on the street or in newspapers like la-xpress or club sun ( I live in L.A.) to posting ads on escort websites where their potential to reach clients is unlimited. Also websites like TER may be another reason. How many ads on escort websites have you seen "check out my reviews". A client sees this and knows he is going to get his moneys worth by checking out her reviews and the girl may think the client may be willing to pay more because she has good reviews. Plus girls have other forum and discussion boards, yahoo groups and their own websites and myspace.com to advertise and a chance for the client to get to know a little about them before they meet.
I also see girls who charge more are just "visiting". They are in and out of town in a couple of days and the demand on their time is limited, so a high demand (thats us calling them) and small time frame equals higher prices.
If you look at the prices of a high quality gg escort versus a high quality tgirl escort the tgirls price may not seem so bad.
three years ago my rate was 150/hr. I quickly learned that was way to low, considering the money I was putting out to be a provider, so the rate went up, and continues to go up with the cost of living. Here are just a few expenses that we have as a provider.
Advertising on EROS-guide was expensive, buying condoms, lube, doing laundry everyday, paying for a cell phone for the business,keeping my feet & hands pretty, buying wine for my guest (or whatever they liked to drink), outfits for your pleasure. And then you have to think that we have rent, Taxes (the smart ones file),insurance for our cars, gas for out calls, utilities, it goes on and on just like you.
There is one other thing that you seem to forget. We take all the risk. No matter how well a girl tries to screen their prospective clients, there is always a chance the guy we are seeing is some freak, that wants to hurt us, or could be LE.
LE goes after TS escorts now, just like they do any other escort. In fact they love to bust TSs.
Just think how it is for TS escorts that do land in jail (not a pretty sight).
And yes the demand is higher now than ever, and personally you guys have made that happen. Supply is still relatively low when you consider the segment of society that is transgendered in the first place.
We have lives just like you! And unfortunately most TSs can not be gainfully employed, so we turn to escorting, and working in the sex industry.
It is expensive going through all the changes we NEED to make as well.
If you do not like the cost of seeing a TS, take your chance on CL, or better yet find a street walker, I am sure your experience will be worth the 20-60.
Cheers!
Kyliesd
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I think the real question some of you might want to ask is:
Why is she charging so little?
Working several days to save up enough to see an escort is hard, I get it. Well... In order to be who I am, to do the work I do, I lost my family, my previous carreer, and any shot at a sane and decent job within the formal capitalist economy.
No Health care.
No dental insurance.
No life insurance.
No bank account (have you tried getting a credit card or a loan without a "legitimate" job?)
Do the math, we take bad housing, bad health care, non-existent (for the most part) familial support; combine it with dangerous work and years of expense (hormones, electrolysis, surgery etc....) and yet we still charge close to what gg providers charge in our local areas. Not to mention some of us are practically geniuses when it comes to figuring out how to fulfill a guys fantasies and desires.
So look on the bright side of things, for a relatively nominal fee, you get to spend intimate time with an amazing and fierce lady.
I don't think you take all the risk. If you enter the key words: transexual sex worker, aids, hiv, baltimore, new york, los angeles, you will find that many people have taken risks. I think it's sad and I also think that a large part of the escort biz is now forever ruined. As for the guy looking to spend 60 bucks, you are right, you can have a great time with a street girl in one of the porta-potties outside of the convention center for next to nothing.
I have been in the TS hobby for 20 years and the prices HAVE gone up but I feel that $200-$300 for a top notch TS is well worth it to ME. It has been my experience that about 95% of all the TS I have seen in that time will come down on the price of a session if you know how to negotiate...only the likes of Lola Malone,Adrea of AZ,Kaya of LV and Alannah of DC would not budge on their fee.
Let me ask you this? How much would you pay for a new pair of dress shoes, say cap toed balmorals? The very cheapest you will pay anywhere for true quality is perhaps about $150.00 at Lands End and most will be about $250.00 and up. I don't buy cheap shoes and I don't date cheap girls, mostly because I don't TREAT them cheap. I never take a discount, EVEN IF ITS offered and I NEVER negotiate. I don't date as much as I would like, but I'd rather have a few pieces of Godiva Chocolate Truffles than a pound of See's.
At the risk of sounding simplistic it's supply and demand.The girls charge it because there are people willing to pay for it.I think the guy claiming that $60K for an entry level job is a little out of bounds but there are enough people with enough discretionary income that the girls can get there asking price.Remember that these girls have overhead......taxis,hotel rooms,air fare,etc.Having your pick of a new fantasy everytime you feel like playing cost.You play you pay.
Women do not need men anymore--they have affirmative action--they are not free to be lesbians.