I have noticed a significant increase in pricing lately. Ladies who were $300-350 in the last 12-18 months are now listing $500 in their ads. 1 lists VIP for$1,000 which is absurd. 2 in particular I have seen in the past, and both are stand up and honest provders. I do not want to mention names. I am sure if I call they would take less but I do not like doing that because you feel like you are not going to get their best effort. There are many very hot transexuals and natural fems in the $300 range. Im definitely not going to the $450-500 level and doubt I will even make the call. Rather stay home, JO and save $20K per year. Very disappointing.
The pricing increase is notable, maybe more hurtful toward the hobbiest in the pride department than the pocket department, but as the saying goes "you get what you pay for." My only problem with TS providers, as with the GG providers I have seen is in the performance department. IMO, with some ladies that charge that fee, the service isn't upgraded and you're either stalled out with "get to know you time" or ushered out after one pop. If I pay that much ($450/500) a session, I at least want 2 releases, that I won't apologize for. My advice is just stick with your regulars.
It's a staple of how I go about my business as a provider, am people clearly aren't complaining about it as I'm the second girl ever to make a certain list. Maybe stop seeing providers that are intentionally eating up time so they can be lazy and instead see providers that are using that time to develop an amazing understanding of exactly what you need from a session and an experience.
Also, value is in the eye of the beholder. If that provider thinks she's worth what she's charging and continuing to be successful with that, it seem more an issue of penny pinching and not poor service. Just some thoughts.
The problem with get to know you time is we are not here to get to know each other. That can be done during the lead up, possibly even a questionnaire. If I pay for an hour I'd like to get an hours worth. Not 30 mins of chat with a provider pretending to care if I like long walks on the beach. It's fluff, providers know that the majority of clientele is going to be overwhelmed by the moment, whether it is a beautiful TS or GG. We are meeting because I liked what I saw in the profile, not because I want to be interviewed. Honestly, do you really care what my favorite foods are or if I like my martini shaken or stirred? I'd rather not be taken advantage of so that you can see as many guys as possible with the least amount of penetration involved.
I have no limit on pops. IMO if you book me for a session, you get the best experience that your booked time can offer. You can pop as many times as you want in the booking. I never understand why providers have a limit on pops. I NEVER rush anyone. I get good money per hour and I make sure you get over what you expected. More providers should be like this. Especially when you are paying me 550 an hour in NYC. I worked very hard to get to that rate, and I make sure that my performance and the experience I provide match if not exceed expectations.
I believe it has to do with the economy, the FED said unemployment is down, job growth is up, inflation is in check. But drive anywhere in town, I see empty store fronts, panhandler at every intersection, homeless camp spring up where I have no seen them before. The Gas station I fill up has a help wanted sign for the last year, no takers. I see lots of help wanted sign in the few remain store but they are up for months at a time. People are POOR, everyone is living paycheck to paycheck. I chat with a lot of my reg dates, they all said business is down. Some of them are trying to make up the different is price, Fewer dates but pay more per date. Not sure if that is going to work,
I also see the same thing is the Stripclub, they use to be jamming on the weekends but now are a rarely business, as least 4 of the ATF girls have put up their dance shoes and get a reg job, One of them is working at a fast food place and she is making more that in the clubs. Also in the club more and more girls are offer extra but the price is thur the roof. $100 to $200 for a BJ / or 250 to 500 for a FS when U get one of those 15 -30 min VIP. For that price it is about $300 to $500 for a BJ or $500 to $1000 for a FS per hour. Maybe it is the bean counter in me, I have never taken them up on the offer. I still prefer to get a date from BP or Eros ect. I may not get better service but at least I can take a shower before and after.
What's Never Discussed is Absurd Here, Gentlemen...
There is a point that is so preposterous, and so often *NOT* mentioned here, that it begs to be discussed.
WHY DO SO MANY MEN *STILL* EXPECT TS WOMEN OF ALL KINDS, TO ACCEPT LESSER GIFTS & DONATIONS THAN GENETIC WOMEN?
Perfect example: The day before last, i received a text request for an Out-call visit, mid-afternoon, to travel to Leesburg VA (about 20/25 miles for me, but since DC/MD/VA traffic sucks every afternoon of the week, it's also a 45 minute drive each way, plus of course my "get myself perfect for Outcall time" (Please Keep in mind that ALL of my ads ask "NO TEXT ONLY DATES PLEASE")
So, being the very polite girl that i am, i responded, & of course i asked if they would be so kind as to call or email me....(and i try to screen all calls & requests, no matter how they have *not* followed my written requests on ALL of my ads & websites)....
They said (naturally they could not talk at that moment).... they lived in a nice area, what they wanted to do with me, then asked "what are my numbers?"..... i went against my better judgement & told them (very minimum of 3 for any out-visits)....
The response was: "i am only in the 2roses range"...
My response was: I'm terribly sorry, but NO genetic female companion would even consider making said outcall to you for that gift allowance, so why would you think that a special woman (TS) like myself would do so?
Their response?: "yes, i guess that's true"
and that's only one, of about 2 or 3 like that i screen out every week for that kind of offer, or less, (even as specific and well written as all of my sites & ads are).... "hey baby can you come an hour drive for 100$", "hey sweetie i am a handsome mature guy but can only afford 125$ can you MAKE AN EXCEPTION?"....... etc etc etc....
so... PLEASE - read the rest of this posting before you judge me for it. PLEASE.
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This is an issue that has been a BIG thorn in my heart and mind for years, and even now, it still holds true.
Here's the real issue as i have felt it.
At the heart of it, the societal subconscious of many people in this culture (and still much of the world), TS women are still largely looked down upon as "less than", or half-than, and disregarded in more ways than i can even enumerate here.
Vilified, trashed, ridiculed, unemployed, homeless & family-less STILL at a higher rate than almost ANY other segment of the entire human population as a whole, to this day.....
Yet - we are both compelled, and willing, to undertake one of the most impossibly challenging, courageous, socially controversial, medically expensive and irreversibly permanent journeys of personal transformation that any human being can undertake in this life,... to be true to ourselves & the world we live in, and ultimately (hopefully) become much happier, balanced, & more productive human beings (this has been proven in every clinical statistic for years now)...
....we often understand sexuality & eroticism more fully than either gender, because we embody all genders. We are often more naturally feminine in many ways than some genetic women, that had the benefit of being naturally socialized with other girls, whereas many of us have not EVER had that benefit... so - as opposed to taking our womanhood or femininity for granted, we have had to fight, struggle, & risk EVERYTHING in this life, just to have even ONE moment in the sun as any kind of real girl at all, which means more to most of us, in **every single moment** of our living self-expression, than most people could ever imagine.
As a woman that has personally never believed i was "born in the wrong body" or ever carried my transformational baggage into my erotic arts, and now, in my late 40's, i have accomplished with my own mind, and natural born features, what many GG's or others will pay tens of thousands for to achieve, i think it is just FLAT OUT BULLSHIT that TS are STILL expected to grovel and grab at every penny that's offered, no matter how far below the standards of "normal" genetic women it may be.
We are special. Unique. Often utterly exceptional due the the duality of our views and our innately more complex nature, and the struggles we have had the courage to face in this life, unlike almost any others in humanity will ever do....
So... WHY, people? WHY does this disgusting insult of differences still hold true to this day??? It clearly Doesn't seem to affect the porn industry from making literally billions off of TS porn (one of the most successful segments of the porn industry EVER), but yet.... we are still expected to take that 50$, that $100, that $150, or that grudgingly offered $200, even for an established and reviewed TS, and settle for it?
.....as if just because we are still regarded as "sexual deviant freaks" in the subconscious minds of so many people - still to this day, and so therefore all of us just 'must be sluts' ( as for Myself, i am a *joyfully* admitted slut, but that's for another discussion entirely) .....and below the line of societal normalcy, and therefore, we should take *anything* offered to us, to be used as toys, and be happy with it - even though that's not even *one-half, or one-quarter* of what our GG counterparts can command, any day of the week, without even blinking twice.
Thoughts?
Most respectfully, always,
TheAngelaGirl
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You must think that GG also do not get low balled also.
I couldn't , but you're right. I think GG gets low balled as well.
But AngelaGirl had some valid points.
And honestly I don't mind girls raising rates. My 2 ATF's "grandfathered " me so I see one more ( other isn't in my city) often now. But she's raised her rates as well. And I feel it's well deserved.
You're right, some people are prejudiced and treat TS with less respect and other backgrounds with less. Some people aren't prejudiced at all and are ass holes to everybody. Whenever you're providing a service or selling something, people are going to try to lowball, haggle, complain, and get discounts.
Standard rates are different city to city also. Here the standard seems to be around 200 and sometimes a new ad will pop up asking 300 or even 500 but you don't know if they're real or what they offer. I google numbers and look at several sites but can only find solid info on less than half of the ads I see. It would be much easier if it was legal. Then we could have menus with legit pics and services offered. Even then, people would still try to haggle or complain for discounts.
I've only seen maybe 10 to 15 different TS girls and only 3 of them were worth a damn. I treat them as well as I can and buy them stuff and tip them. Mad respect to y'all that fight through prejudice and live your lives how you want to live them. And thank you to the good ones out there. Good girls are hard...to find. Haha get it?
I'm sorry that you have been made to feel undervalued Angela. I personally expect to pay more when visiting a transgender provider. This is because I think it is more difficult all around for her to work than a GG provider. My range is 3-4 bills.
I have certainly noticed the same with the price increases. Sometimes, it's been a provider that has gone from $300 to $400-$500 and sometimes its been a provider that has gone from $300 to $1,000. This applies mainly to TS providers in Los Angeles as I frequent their ads enough to remember their before and after pricing changes. Some providers continue to honor their previous price with me, or their previous price plus a small increase, while others unfortunately I've had to drop completely. It just means I now give more business to a smaller select group of TS providers. While frustrating at first, this has actually has worked out better for me and for the providers that I continue to see because we've gotten to know one another much better which in turn has made for better and better sessions. I certainly understand that providers of any kind are free to set their rates however they choose, but I can't or choose not to accept 2X-3X price increases over a short period of time without a change in services. I do however think a reasonable increase is fair to keep up with increases costs we all face including.
So you're at the mall in your city, you go into Nordstrm and see a unique coat that you gotta have. You buy it and the coat looks and fits great. You find yourself in Nordstrm Rack a month later and see the same coat for 60% less than you paid. Then a couple weeks later you are on a business trip in NYC and you see the same coat offered for double the price you paid. How do you feel about the purchase? How do you feel about the retailer?
I've seen a provider in my city advertise her rate on BP for $150 at the start of the month, $400 in the middle of the month, and $200 at the end of the month. Only she knows why the rates vary. What are the chances that the guy who paid $400 got better service than the guy who paid $150? If I tell you she was attracted to the $150 guy and repulsed by the $400 guy...I'm sure you'd draw a conclusion as to how the sessions went.
Time is the most valuable thing a person can sell or give to another person because it can never be earned back. It is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. If a provider is advertising a rate that I can't afford, I don't make a counter offer. I just don't call her.
I respect providers. I do not low ball them. There are many great GGs, actually most, in the $300-$350 range. I was referring to TSs who recently jumped from $300 to $500 and even $1,000 for VIP. I am not sure what I would not get for $500 (not even going there) that I would get for $1,000. You would think for $500 you would get everything but I guess not. I don't even want to ask what I get for what dollar because it's a bad conversation. I do not low ball anyone. If I see a provider asking for $400 and I know they would probably take $350 which I might pay but don't ask because I feel like they won't be happy and I will not get their best performance. I am fair and not looking to low ball anyone, but hopefully we can all agree going from $300-$500 in a short period is ridiculous. I was a regular of both girls. I am sure they would take less if I called, but I am not even going to call and ask. There are amazing ladies in the $300 range and I will stay there at this time.
Totally agree. I've paid VIP prices just a handful of times, only for the star factor. Those girls were famous, and the sessions were un-remarkable. There was no extra services or fun offered beyond what I would have received at half the price. Now I just stick with the providers who are priced at or below the max I'm willing to pay, because I know it's always going to be a roll of the dice whether the session turns out to be heaven, hell or somewhere in between. You're comments on the inflated prices are on point. For the average/upper middle class client, there is only so much money they can spend each year on this hobby. High prices mean less dates and more JO sessions.
I date female & transvestites. The genetic females are far more reasonably priced. I pay middle aged Asian women who do everything and I mean everything a maximum of $140. Compare that to most transvestites.
I have been a provider for a good 8 years now and I can proudly say that I have found respect and admiration for the industry. Building relationships and the experiences shared with the gentlemen I've been seeing through the years has made me become a better individual, made me love myself more and made me love what I do so much.
When I started out on the "streets" years ago, I was obviously charging way less compared to what I am charging now. Also, during that time, I didn't like what I was doing. I didn't understand the craft and haven't found my niche and thought that it was just a phase for me to get by and that this won't be the career for me in the long run. So, personally, I was confused and not confident with what I am doing. That thought and feeling changed over time and just like any other job, the more experience I have been working in the industry, the more I understood the business model and found my niche. Not just my skills/performance come round, I also became a better listener, more compassionate, confident and much more attentive to a clientele's needs and wants. Hence, the girlfriend experience.
I believe that many women in the industry, cis or trans, over time have understood their worth and become more experienced with their craft that's why they charge more than what they used to. I have grandfathered a lot of gents and still have been seeing them for years and do have a more established relationship with them and I have no problem seeing them with the same donation they gave me years ago. Mutual respect is key here.
Also, you gentlemen have to understand some factors such as beauty maintenance. It is not cheap to look beautiful and passable. Always looking like a 10/10, plastic surgery/certain procedures cost a lot of money. Also, another one is the overhead when traveling (hotels, flights, ads, photos, etc.) That is very costly as well.
What I can advise is sticking with your ATF's, at least you know what you're getting into with that price you've paid. A more established relationship with your ATF is more pleasurable and convenient in so many ways.
With that being said, I am evaluating my rates and have contemplated for a price increase starting next year. Rates for all established clientele will be honored and grandfathered. Thank you for all your continued support and love.
xx
TS JANE
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I consider both genders as the same and both worthy of the same pricing structure. The issue with me is service, if I want a GFE session I will pay top dollar for the best and expect the it. Like every commodity it is supply and demand I have hade my worst experience with 250-300 girls. I have had girls who have retired who I still see because I treat them with respect and we have fun together
I suppose it's all basic free market stuff, but I'll share a different story.
Over the last year + 1/2, I started getting a progressive discount from a local favorite. 1st time or two that I saw her, pretty typical rate, then she told me "come see me for ($x less) then after 1 or 2 visits at that discount, it's now 1/2 the starting/typical rate.
Guess what? She now gets nearly ALL my business. I usually save up for a TS adventure every few weeks - do I save up for TWICE as long to try somebody different? Seldom. Not for rushed quickies either - we usually spend 75-90 minutes.
Part of it is that we have good rapport/chemistry. I'm sure it's NOT anything to do with my looks (no ogre, but pretty far from "model material".)
See my ATF nearly every Sunday. Very good rate. I bring Sunday paper, ask if she needs anything ( Target or CVS) and breakfast,. It’s a nice morning. And works for both of us.
But she’s raised her rates, and she deserves it.
Sell out and then sell up is what I always say. So if these girls (cis or trans) want to raise their rates then more power to them. I have seen genetic girls that charged for extras and I'm ok with an a la carte menu. The problem is with the trans girls is that the tiered pricing seems to be for intangibles. For example, there is a TS girl in Atlanta with the following tiered pricing system:
1 Hr 400$; 1 Hr GFE 500$; 1 HR VIP $600.
Now what more do I get for the extra 100$ or 200$? Am I going to get a shitty session for 400$ at the hands of some disgruntled TS who thinks she ought to get more?
There is a really hot TS in NYC charging 500$/hour and 1,000$/Hr VIP. One guy wrote a review stating "If you weren't happy with the 500$ then why did you agree to see me [for that rate?]"
Typically the cis-girls I see may charge extra for CIM or COF or Anal. I see that a few cis-girls are starting to state two rates but it seems to me (feel free to correct me if I am wrong) that the TS girls do this way more often. When I see these tiered prices I often do not book with that provider.
Seems to me that the price I pay has little bearing on the quality I receive.
In Minnesota I have been experiencing the total opposite. Being fairly new, less than a year, I'm not super familiar with the slow periods so it could just be that but after traveling for a few months my return home has been disheartening to say the least. I don't pretend to be anything I'm not and famous doesn't even intrigue me so my rates reflect this but my services are uncompromised. I offer non-rush, gfe for 200 for an hour and although I still have hobbyists who are more than happy with this rate, more and more of my days are being spent negotiating or being rejecting upon receiving this number. Because of this I have even considered lowering my rates back to when I started. I have no problem saying no but it leaves me wondering why this is happening so much more frequently. How can anyone expect me do do an 1/2 hr outcall and need less than 120? Coupled with the added Super Bowl stress and simply being a trans provider, which whether people want to admit or not deal with a lot of bullshit cis providers don't have to pay or basic courtesies included, it makes for a long day. Not to mention getting reviewed is nearly impossible, which is apparent by the lack of trans reviews here, probably one for every 200 or so at best. The way I see it is we as trans providers are rare, and from what I've heard the ones who are who they say there are and offer quality experiences are even more difficult to find. Which leads me to think if you are lucky to have found one of us our rates are worth it. Now of course this doesn't give us the right to charge more inherently, but I agree that this business functions like any other and is not outside the ruling hands of supply and demand. Personally I would be happy to keep my rates as low as they are if more potential hobbyists would contact me with basic respect, but after being harassed, low-balled, threatened, etc. it plants the idea of needing more to make it worth while. I love this work and don't plan on letting any of this stop me, and have so much love for the people who support me. I have no problem seeing those who do at negotiated rates, sometimes you just have to make the leap to get there. Anyways my two cents, shameless self advertisement, if you are in Minneapolis and are looking for a great experience at a more than reasonable rate find me!
I appreciate your honesty. OK....I'll try you next time our paths cross.
"Her name is Rio and she dances on the sand..." nice pic of you and the Nagel prints on your website! This brings back memories of living around the corner from the Electric Foetus and those wild Bondage A Go Go nights at Ground Zero. Wish I were a Hennepin homie again. Thanks for the post....
I totally get it, I offer unrushed GFE for $200 in NY. Transition costs are approximately equal to tuition, cis girls don't spend nearly as much time or $ on making themselves presentable (hair, nails, etc) yet the same guys who'll drop $400 on a GG provider complain about spending over $150 on a TS.
I am who I am, I look like my pics, I provide the services I claim I do on my website. I don't negotiate. I've got an income outside escorting, so if it gets slow I'll get by without it.
I see why guys complain about the upsells (which I don't do) or the girls with the big price increases lately, but a lot of the pricing depends on where you live, and what you're looking for.