Yes sir you are part of the problem if you’re not writing reviews to share the fact that providers are using photos that are 10 years old. Warn others by sharing because no one wants to waste their money on false advertising. I am 45 years young & I don’t appreciate providers who lie about their age, or use photos that are obviously 🙄 ancient. Sharing is caring that’s what TER is for to let others know what you experienced. Why be here if you’re not participating?
in the past before TER had to go basically offline for a while due to the uncertain of internet laws and regulations . typically there were up to 50,000 users online ... now rarely more than 9,000 .... what do you think is the key reason for this ... have people grown tired of the hobby !?!!?? or are there now more options for gentleman and ladies to connect?
they got used to life without TER and never bothered to look back.
Look at the way some people post disrespectful things & are super proud of their contribution here on the boards that add no value. Many providers don’t fuck with TER. I’ve had clients tell me other male members bash them for sending pm’s inquiring about providers they reviewed. I’m am wondering why people prefer to run off others here with their high & mighty attitudes. I love to build & grow. I post TER on my X. I try to boost this site, but it has a bad reputation. The continued sausage fest on the boards is not appealing. I’ve been apart of TER, since 2005.
Sorry grammar police are on TER & that’s just dumb AF. The majority of the members refer to TER as a fuck board until the King’s English is not accounted for it’s ignorant. I think as a whole TER is not a nice board. It takes a village. I focus on providing top tier adult entertainment & hopefully I connect with like minded individuals who deserve notable treatment.
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This is your own agenda answer but not really answering the question. I’m sure when 50k were on, there was not 41k on the boards. What you’re talking about is board behavior and your distaste for it.
it WAS an answer to the OP’s question. Perhaps it’s not an answer with which you agree (gotta watch my grammar!), but we don’t need to agree with everyone’s PoV here, do we?
Or is that part of the reason there’s many fewer people on TER than there used to be?
Sure, technically it is an answer. My point is this is something QB has been bringing up a lot. And, not saying she is wrong either, so this is not about me disafgreeing. But it's a partial answer at best. We all know that at no point is 80% of those online actively reading or posting on the boards, so a drop from 50k to 9k is more than just a result of board behavior. QB answered this way because it's something she cares about and saw this as an opportunity to bring it up again.
that only “complete” answers to questions are acceptable here, and people shouldn’t bring up ideas/points more than once or twice? That’s what you seemed to say.
If so, you have a lot of work to do—there’s tons of “partial” answers to questions on this forum, and many people bring up the same points over and over. In fact, some of the most frequent posters here do that. So, get busy! 😄
Lmao no man I am not saying that at all. Most answers are probably incomplete. I'm not trying to fry that fish. I'm more so saying she inadvertidly partially answered the question, and her goal was more her personal goal than it was to even attempt to answer the question.
To me, this is similar to when a provider sorta kinda answers a question, but it's obvious she is more so using it as an opportunity to sell her services. We have seen QB do this many times. Usuaully, you can argue she partially answered the question. But you can tell her agenda wasn't to really answer the question, but to sell her services.
you believe she was “tooting her own horn”?
News flash: people who AREN’T selling their services here do that all the time. Some post incessantly about how wonderful they are, often straying off topic when doing it. Where’s your complaint about them? QB at least “partially” answered the question. I’m not surprised when a provider talks here about how great they are. Heck, NON-providers do it all the time—why not providers?
One could argue that every post by a provider on these boards is partially for marketing purposes. And that’s expected. They should get SOME benefit from putting up with all the asshats here. lol
Idgaf if you are a provider or client. If you use a conversation for your own agenda, especially one you repeatidly bring up, I will call you out. Why do you have such a hard on for QB? Just book her for crying out loud. Moaning and groaning to me over calling her out will not calm your woody down.
of your “rule.”
Anyway, I’m not particularly fond of people here, like QB, who trash everyone who choose to use aliases. It’s not about QB. It’s about people who try to silence other posters here because they don’t agree with what they have to say and are incapable of having a civil discussion.
i hear you sister ... i have never understood the number of negative angry posts on this site .. this site is totally dedicated to ... fun 
i mean Hello! LOL ... i can only think some guys are upset that they have to actually pay for a service they so strongly desire. well let me know the next time you go out to dinner and ask for the meal for free. and if anything this site allows us guys to find the nicest ladies and not get ripped off, how wonderful is that?!?!
anyway. thank you for your continued contribution to this community and weathering all the negativity.
as for me, i love the term "hobby" i couldn't have come up with a better adjective. oh wait .. Noun .. i dont want to get grammar corrected LOL -- i have spent more on this activity than all other optional activities combined. ... as for why i am in vegas so often ... someone has to support all those single mothers.
Thank you for your continued support of single Mother’s. Life is already hard enough, so any help is greatly appreciated. I consider this my hobby as well it’s fun! I love the thrill this hobby lifestyle provides.
This website needs to become more provider friendly and we can also go with client friendly as well. People do not want to be barraged with insults about how long they have been a member on this site, how few reviews they have posted compared to other members, or how many or few posts they have made. That is silly, unproductive, and chases individuals away that may become paid members, which is how TER makes their money.
Providers do not need to be constantly insulted about their looks, their weight, their price point, or their age. We are all supposed to be adults here and the "good ol boys" gang needs to be shut down and dissolved.
The sex work industry is alive and well and very active, just not very much on this website. Why would a new client join this site? Why would a new provider join this site? Reviews are not what they used to be for a provider to be successful. Unless there is a rebrand and launch to attract new providers and clients it is just going to continue to slip into oblivion.
This thread is very interesting. I was very active years ago, took a long break due to civvy relationship, and now I’m back and having tons of fun. I’m not sure this site is any more vulgar than any other anonymous message boards, there are trolls and pot-stirrers everywhere. And for me it’s not any less useful, but it’s only one of the tools to make informed decisions for me. It’s a lot like Amazon reviews, you really need to scrub the trends within and across reviews which is not easy.
But, despite my optimism I think I’m part of the problem. I’ve met many wonderful gals who had great reviews but I was disappointed, usually cuz their pics are 10 years old or more. Again, I always had a good time but voted with my wallet and chose not to repeat. I declined to torch them in reviews mostly due to respect and karma. But that’s the opposite of how this site is supposed to work.
Lastly, changing the tone on a board like this requires moderation, which requires hours of work, and if revenues are down I’m not sure how anyone can fund that effort - despite the best intentions.
Yes sir you are part of the problem if you’re not writing reviews to share the fact that providers are using photos that are 10 years old. Warn others by sharing because no one wants to waste their money on false advertising. I am 45 years young & I don’t appreciate providers who lie about their age, or use photos that are obviously 🙄 ancient. Sharing is caring that’s what TER is for to let others know what you experienced. Why be here if you’re not participating?
I’m sure the best explanation is it’s not one size fits all and there are various reasons that add up. Some might have left the hobby or cut down. During the pandemic many stopped escorting which may have given them time to think if they want to still do it.
I imagine some got used to life without TER and don’t feel they need it. Or, some might feel it’s not so much that they don’t need it, but that it isn’t what it once was, so not worth their time.
While it has been making a comeback, its usefulness is certainly stronger in larger US cities. It’s probably struggling to get those outside these cities to spend time on the site.
Like many things in life, people probably made a habit, maybe even felt addicted, to coming to the site to read reviews. When you take away the drug - TER in this case - you take away the addictive behavior. It takes time to build something like this back up.
I’m sure I am only touching the surface. Reasons are many.
First, people moved on when the site went dark in the US. Next, providers turned on review boards and review sites. Providers used to like reviews because they were good for business but now they hate reviews and see them as potentially bad for business. Clients have started using social media, sugar dating websites, and other avenues that rose up during FOESTA/SOESTA. Reviewers have earned a bad reputation and clients that see high end providers don't want to be associated with this site.
I was checking my review history (which is hidden, because other reviewers have harassed providers I saw) and most of my old reviews are de-listed. These kind of sites require provider buy in. I come here mostly to check who is visiting my area. If providers don't want reviews or want to post ads here than this site becomes more worthless every day.
I'll just add that TER shot itself in the dick when it went dark in the US. That was totally unnecessary. OTOH, the decline probably would have happened anyway because of the factors you cite. So there probably is no way for TER to regain its former stature. And let's also remind the whiners that even in TER's heyday this board was wild and uncouth. I used to refer to it as "The Monkey House, where the residents fling poo at each other." That created great entertainment value for all, even the lurkers. So I strongly doubt the tone around here is the problem. "Fixing" that won't revive things. It will just make this place an even more boring backwater.
You are correct, TER did not need to go dark when SESTA/FOSTA was pushed through, but no one really knew what the implications would be. Blame it on the government, kind of like all of the nonsense they enforced during COVID in the name of "helping" that did little to nothing to help, but sure hurt the livelihood of a ton of humans.
And yes, the tone still continues to be the problem. No one finds it entertaining to be made fun of. Clients and providers should feel comfortable and encouraged to post questions and concerns so we can make this website inclusive and educational, not "entertaining" for a few individuals with self esteem issues.
I really don't mind it if people go after me. I'm pretty blunt and don't suffer fools. So if you're gonna dish it out you've gotta be willing to take it without whining. And I don't have any "self esteem issues," unless having too much of it is a problem for anyone.
All that said, while I don't always agree with you, I do like you.
There is a big difference between having an adult civil conversation with someone in which you have a different opinion and those that live in an echo chamber and have no ability to self reflect and attack others simply to make themselves feel better about themselves. I am pretty blunt as well and have a pretty thick skin, but there are a lot of people that do not. This may not personally affect either of us as both of us obviously still post here, but *sorry!* it would be nice to have some different voices from the sex work community to post here with other opinions and suggestions. Thanks for your comment!!
When TER was king, the women dealt with the garbage behavior because they felt they had to. Having reviews was viewed as essential for their business so they went along with to avoid pissing off customers. Once providers realized they didn't need it, they started delisting left and right.
You may doubt the tone is the problem. I would say listen to providers. Providers have posted on social media and told me in person their reasons for not wanting reviews. They regularly call reviewers and review board guys "slobbyists." They talk about how gross it is reading some of their reviews. They talk about how the guys are gross, disgusting misogynists. They just kept their mouth shut until they didn't think they needed to anymore.
However, even if we disagree over tone, I think we both agree it won't make a difference. First of all, changing the tone around here probably isn't possible. You're not going to get a bunch of respectful gentleman regularly posting here. The other thing is, even if tone improved there is no bringing the providers back. They're gone forever after delisting.
Providers telling you they delisted because of board posting is bullshit. They voluntarily delist because they are running from below-average reviews because their service sucks. There is no reason for a TOP-100 provider on TER to ever delist over board discussions. If a girl delists out of the top-100, it's because she is retiring. All others are trying to distance themselves from their review history. The girls that are below average will find that reflected in their review scores. There is a remedy for them to get FAKE reviews removed, but the only remedy for low scores is to raise the quality of their service and give every customer their money's worth. Their average score will come up as they improve their service.
I wasn't going to respond to you anymore once you started post-pulling, but this was so outrageously wrong, I had to. You are saying they don't want reviews because there are "no respectful gentlemen" POSTING here. They are two different things. Even the most "respectful gentleman" on the boards can still write a bad review if the service warrants. The non-retiring delisters are mostly second tier girls who can't compete with the top-tier girls, so they make it the Hobbyists' fault. It's not.
mrfisher, for one, Lt.Drebin, for another and your pal RespectfulRobert, as well. There are more but....
Providers telling you they delisted because of board posting is bullshit. They voluntarily delist because they are running from below-average reviews because their service sucks.
While I don't know if it was about board posts, I can say that it wasn't about reviews in these cases.
that goes without saying, so I agree with you that there will always be some who delist for a variety of other reasons. I was referring to the vast majority who seem to delist when they can't get their service and appearance score above an 8.
I was also addressing in particular, someone's claim that they were delisting because of board posts. That's hogwash.
I have provider friends who are delisted, and they are 5 star adult entertainers. Please don’t continue to pollute the boards with your bs. There are real top tier providers who had theirselves delisted because they do not want to be associated with TER. Holystonethedeck knows this fun fact because he is a true gentleman & providers really connect with him outside of the bedroom. Some of us are friends in real life.
Has anyone noticed that when people complain about tone or board behavior it is always the same posters loudly defending the worst behavior? That they tend to see a lot of K-Girls?
The thing is, I have two choices. I can listen to the multitude of providers who consistently say the same thing all over the place. I have heard them say this in person. I have seen them post it across multiple social media platforms. Should I listen to them, or should I listen to the paranoid, delusional rants of a self-admitted bullshitter?
"bad behavior" from posters here who treat everyone the same puts you in the same category as those that are misogynists and racists. You couldn't even get past your first paragraph without denigrating Kgirls, who are not white, they are Asian. I make no apologies for being color blind and gender blind. But then, I post under my username so people know who I am and what experience I have. I treat everyone the same regardless of who they are and what boxes some people who think they are better here want to confine them to.
Where is this "multitude of providers" of which you speak? You still have no reviews, and are therefore classed as a "lurker" her, so it remains to be proven whether you even know ONE provider personally. It's okay to post links here to statements made on other forums by your "multitude of providers". I will not hold my breath that you can deliver what you claim. Lol
You actually do have two choices . . . . 1) You can listen to people who have WAY more experience than you and don't bullshit abut hearsay from "multitudes of providers" that I'm guessing you cannot name, or 2) Stop being a coward who is full of himself, use your username here, and get some reviews so we at least know you're not some alias grandma just fucking with the legit posters here.
1) You brag about treating everyone the same because you are an asshole who treats everyone poorly. You have simply rebranded your shitty traits as righteous, positive traits.
2) I don't denigrate K-Girls. I denigrate you for being a cheap john who talks shit about providers outside of his price range. Again you're not colorblind, you're just cheap. Another poor trait being rebranded as positive.
3) I have reviews and have been a member her as long as you have. I hide my reviews because reviewers and hobbyists are vindictive assholes who have fucked with my shit before. Also, providers I see hate reviews, so I have to hide the fact that I write reviews (didn't you say something similar). I only post here anonymously.
4) You're also a giant hypocrite on this point, because you brag about using multiple handles and hiding your independent girl reviews behind an alias. Someone who claims to use an alias shouldn't call others out for using an alias.
5) I don't care how you classify me nobody here respects you at all so your shit has no bearing or meaning. You're at the bottom of the pile here, not the top.
6) I also don't have to prove anything to you. You hold no power here and you are exactly the kind of person I want to avoid aside from talking shit to on the boards (anonymously).
7) I get that you can't talk to the providers you hire, so the idea of listening to another person is foreign to you. However if you don't believe me you can just log on to social media or listen to the providers you harass who post here. All the providers you shit talk here and try to shout down tell you this but... whatever citations lol
8) You will never, ever dictate my choices. You are some idiot on a board with a false sense of authority. I only started posting here because you are insufferable and I decided to give you a taste of your own medicine.
8) You are right I am full of myself on this board. Do you think you are humble? You're pretty full of yourself too. The difference is I don't value myself based on how many reviews I write or how many providers I fuck. I base my value on how I treat others and how I live up to my values. You treat others like shit. Other mongers on this board treat people like shit. I gladly treat you and guys like you like shit. You don't see me doing this to guys like RespectfulRobert. He is nice. You act like a nasty asshole on here and are surprised I a) am an asshole to you and b) think I am better than you.
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Are you seriously not aware of ALL the women that left TER with pristine reviews???? And who are you to tell girls they shouldn't delist bc of board discussions? Are you THIS clueless? No they may not leave ONLY due to the misogyny you display often but it absolutely influences their decision that TER is incredibly anti-provider.
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Many don't feel they get a fair shake here and went to greener pastures and did NOT return. Think about the why. They don't need TER anymore. They found twitter and other review sites that allow them to respond and be in control of their menu options.
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I personally think if TER rebranded and put a full court press on, they could solve many of their problems and many would return. But having misogynists like you run the ruling the roost and denying you are part of the problem, that just drives them away and keeps them away.
What does full court press mean in this context ?
Only positive reviews for providers?
It's hilarious to think any seller of any biz thinks they are above being evaluated on the internet. If you provide a public biz on the internet, if you used ads on the internet, you should be ready for your product and services to be evaluated. And criticized. That's what consumers do. That's the beauty of the internet, that silent client now has a voice. Each client has a voice.
Or do you mean moderation on forums? Well, even though I'm in favor of light moderation, I'd at least eliminate the ad hominems. But... that would also mean calling a client "slobbyist" would be prohibited too.
Maybe you skimmed it? The answer to your question lies within.
Huh?
"I personally think if TER rebranded and put a full court press on"
So I asked what does it mean for TER to "put a full court press on"? I guess my question is like, who would they press? Which side?
As far as I can tell, TER has essentially down nothing to realize it is 2024 now and not 1998. Things have changed. The world has changed. Many women want nothing to do with TER. That would tell me a rebranding would be in order.
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What is wrong with making some changes? Make it easier for women to get rid of fake reviews. Allow them to respond to reviews. Allow them to control their profile. No, NOT their reviews, but their profile. Get rid of the misogyny that goes on on this board.
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Someone like CDL is utterly clueless if he really doesn't think his actions, along with a few others, keeps women who would prefer to be here from coming back. He just reinforces the notion in their mind that TER hasn't changed and that it is a cesspool for women. He calls them fat, crazy, stupid etc. on a regular basis. Why cant we get rid of ad hominem attacks on providers? What would be wrong with that and making the much needed changes I describe above?
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I love women. This place would be so much better if there were more. Women would flock here if TER treated them fairly. They just refuse, as is their right. And it is the girls right not to frequent this place. And sadly, they dont.
Here's my suggestion. Get rid of the 10 or 15 mongers and the 4 or 5 whiny ho's and then TER can go back to what it's supposed to be...a site for men to find P4P sex. I mean anyone here that's married or in a long term relationship knows they already have a woman at home whining and complaining.
You are a VERY VERY SMALL minority whiners...Go home and kick your dog or in Ms Kitty's case kick your 30 feral cats.
Walk out your door Roberta there are countless REAL women, living and breathing. Here just a wisp of 1's and 0's. Get a life pal
Robert never said “positive reviews only”.
When I read Robert saying “full court press”, I see a call for a purge of what he feels is the misogynist content on the forums and a heavy marketing push to show a rebrand with an eye towards being provider friendly.
He never said or implied that bad reviews should be banned or suppressed. What he did suggest, which is similar to Yelp, is that providers have the opportunity to respond to reviews. Things like that.
That said, I think the ship has sailed on bringing back providers who have soured on review culture. I don’t think misogyny in the forums is the key thing that drove away providers, it’s the misogyny and objectification in reviews that’s sent them away.
Well done. Yelp is a very good example. I just don't think the world will end if we allow women to respond to reviews. I never thought the women wanted a "pro-provider" TER. They were just seeking fairness. Why is it so hard for people here to want to be fair to women who risk so much to make us so happy? I don't get it.
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You might be right on the ship sailing for a certain group of providers. But many of those girls who left TER for greener pastures have retired, while many are still active. Its the new women to the business TER can get IF...and its a big IF...they are willing to change with the times.
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The old guard here, so unwilling to change, is just hurting TER. Every day it doesn't rebrand, it just hurts itself going forward. What TER really needs is someone new at the helm. Someone who can look internally and acknowledge the change in society that has taken place and match those changes in the rebrand.
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Sports leagues do it right? The NBA adopted the 3 point shot from the old ABA. The NFL took the 2 point conversion from college football. College basketball implemented an NBA style shot clock. Does anyone think those changes didnt help those sports?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_corners_offense
"... In the nationally televised 1982 Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) championship game between the North Carolina Tar Heels and the Virginia Cavaliers, North Carolina held the ball for roughly the last seven minutes of the second half to nurse a small lead, eventually winning, 47–45. ... In 1985, the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) adopted a shot clock nationally and added the three-pointer a year later. ..."
Well geez. Is that something to be proud of?
I have rarely seen such contempt for their own audience and customer base from other businesses.
These providers call reviewers and their customers names and despise them... yet they still see them.
I mean, they really need money THAT much?
But then apparently when providers "needed" reviews they didn't call the customers names or display their unhappiness. Instead they stayed quiet and didnt even communicate they didn't like them.
I mean, they really need money THAT much?
These providers who go on socal media and shit on clients, always want to paint the world as the industry being a bunch of assholes on the client side.
In reality majority of this industry on client side is just people who want to get laid. Maybe they're lonely or unhappily married or asocial or polygamous or busy or very old.... sure there are some grade a assholes among us. And some dangerous psychos too. And they deserve criticism. But to look down and despise those who just review your services on the internet... I'm gonna say thrice...
You really need money THAT much? Sounds like you really hate your job if youre a service provider who hates the clientele.
you and I seem to agree more on this board than we did on the other one. Lol
You made an excellent point about the contempt many providers are displaying towards their customer base. It seem counterintuitive for any provider that wants to be successful and cultivate regulars in this biz.
Not to start a back and forth or anything, but I think it's more of you agreeing with me more on this board.
As my points and worldview are identical as well as consistent both on the kgirl board and this board, and I don't really think indie providers are somehow inferior to kgirls (tho admittedly I see kgirls and not indies, but that's because of several reasons)...you can probably figure out why you tend to agree with me more on here yet concepts such as customer rights and both sides respecting each other and their rights.... somehow go out of the window for you on the kgirl board.
I've never been blacklisted by ANY provider. I fully understand how that can cloud your attitude towards agency bookers. Your bias is often forefront in your posts. Get over it and move on. You'll have more fun.
Serious question....how would you possibly know you have never been blacklisted? I see clients that have been blacklisted for frivolous reasons all the time. I don't tell them, there is no reason to do so. Even if they are blacklisted for a serious offence I just tell them I am not comfortable seeing them and move on. You also proudly proclaim your many alias and also proudly tell everyone that no provider has your real world info. Your web of nonsensical grandiose mumbo jumbo just grows and grows.
That appears to be what is happening here. You mostly see K-Girls and not independent providers. Independent providers have set business practices that help filter out clients. You have decided you don't like their business practices and don't need their services. You can ask all you want if "they really need money that much." They need money, they just don't need your money.
There was nothing in my post in them needing my money. I never said I don't see independent providers because I don't like their business practices. I don't like many kgirl practices too.
Unless you want to argue that "hobbyists" refers to me.
Hobbyists/"slobbyists" isn't exclusive to people like me, it isn't exclusive to TER either.
Hobbyist is anyone who considers this their hobby and reviews providers in bulk. Ie, their clientele.
And you JUST said that they needed the hobbyists money so you're not even making sense. You claimed they needed ter reviews. Guess who reads and writes yer reviews?
That's right. Hobbyists.
"Having reviews was viewed as essential for their business so they went along with to avoid pissing off customers."
So they did need hobbyist money and they avoided complaining and went long until they no longer needed the money. When I asked, boy did they really need money that much you said they didn't need monwy. Huh?
What do you call someone who claims to have certain beliefs but those beliefs seem to easily be compromised by money? You tell me.
What do you call someone who claims to have certain beliefs but those beliefs seem to easily be compromised by money?
A human being with bills to pay. This is, again, our JOB. Thankfully I am very financially stable right now, but when I was going through my divorce and had to pay the mortgage, yes, my standards as to the gents I would see did become more lax so I could keep a roof over my head.
If your beliefs are easily compromised by money you didn't have beliefs in the first place. I'm sorry for being blunt, but that is what it is.
Scarlet, do you also think people who review providers and see many providers, deserve to be called slobbyists? Do you also talk shit about previous clients you saw to pay your bills?
Do I think some people who review providers deserve to be called slobbyists?
Yes, without a shadow of a doubt there are some that deserve this title. All of them? No, absolutely not.
Do I talk shit about previous clients I saw that paid my bills?
Some of them, yes. But that would make them previous clients for a reason.
Do providers deserve some of the terrible things that are said about them in reviews and that are posted on this board?
Some of them, yes. Most of them, no.
And again, being a provider is a JOB. Just like every other job out there that exists some days are awesome. Some days are meh. Some days really suck ass and I am really regretting booking a gent who is overbearing, rude, condescending, and boundary pushing and I know I will never see this guy again. But thankfully I have the ability to decline seeing gents. There are providers out there who are not able to screen or do deposits or consistently demand condoms be used and feel like a useless piece of garbage every day because they hate being a provider but they may have 2 kids they have to feed and pay rent.
At the end of the day we are all humans, we all have strengths and weaknesses, and we ALL have shit we are dealing with on a personal basis and we all have out reasons why we became a provider or a client. It is up to us to make this website a better place for all of the individuals that make up the sex work community.
I have no idea what you are trying to say but... Sir you are paying for sex, if you think its bad for a person to be compromised by money than you're in the wrong place and find another way to get laid.
You have no idea what Im trying to say? Lol
I have stated it in plain English.
The same people these providers call slobbyists were their clientele and helped them get going. These are the same people who the sellers are shitting on. The same customer base that helped establish their biz.
Oh I get it you think it's fine to use a customer base like a used condom for their money and then shit on them.
What does me paying for sex have to do with sellers spitting in the face of same customers? I pay for many things, sex included. Sex isnt anymore or less special than anything else I pay for.
Hence me asking, shit they really needed money so much that they engaged with clientele they hated so much? All because the clientele reviews their business? Lol.
And I'm gonna ask it again and again. Business who spit in the face of their own client base are piece of shit businesses to me.
It is pretty straight-forward. At one point, providers thought they needed reviews for their business. FOSTA/SOESTA happened and TER went down in the US. Providers learned to attract business without TER and reviews. They relied on self-promotion. TER came back in the US after providers had learned to do without it. Providers realized they didn't need it and started de-listing. Remember when people stopped buying newspaper ads when craigslist went up? IT is a very similar story.
Here is the free business lesson. Markets have different segments, filled with businesses that fill each niche. In general you have businesses that compete on cost and businesses that compete on quality/luxury. Businesses that compete on cost have higher volumes and lower prices. Businesses that compete on quality/luxury have lower volume and higher prices. Think of an affordable car brand (Honda) vs a Luxury Car Brand (BMW). Customers that want value will flock to the cheaper brand and customers that want luxury, quality or exclusivity will flock to the expensive brand.
Brands try to differentiate themselves and try to attract certain customers. Businesses will create practices to attract their customers and turn away customers they don't want to serve. Providers have openly talked on social media about how certain business practices are designed to filter the customers they want and the customers they don't want. So what I am pretty clearly saying is providers want money, but they want money from their preferred customer. The board here is filled with different types of people. The independent providers are trying to attract guys like RespectfulRobert. That is their preferred customer. They aren't trying to attract you because you are not their preferred customer. Interpret that however you want to.
That it's OK to shit on their own customer base that helped them establish themselves?
Why would I take a business lesson from someone who thinks this is something to be proud of?
Why would I take a business lesson from someone who thinks that shitting on people for reviewing their business fairly, is perfectly fine?
Do you know of any IPO that shits on their first investors? I don't.
Principles > profit. And yes I guess this is why providers want someone like Robert who treats them in a special way and think they can do no wrong. Versus me who cannot be bribed, pleaded or refuses to treat any group differently. Man, woman, sex worker, lawyer, my kin, none of them get special treatment. . I don't compromise my beliefs. If anyone would offer me generational wealth for writing a good review or changing a review from mediocre to good, I would spit in their face for even suggesting it. Fuck your bribe. My principles are worth infinitely more than some greenbacks. Fuck outta here
That's really all it comes down to, you have a bad attitude and just seem like a miserable person to be around. You brag about not giving kin special treatment? How do you treat your family? I can only imagine what sitting next to you at a bar would be like. Who would want to be around you, much less have sex with you? Nobody wants a client that complains all the time and is impossible to please. That is you. That's why they are filtering you out. You only care about yourself but act like you're talking for all clients. You're acting like you're principled man but these are really made up justifications for being selfish.
This wasn't about me but you somehow made it about me.
Who complained about anyone filtering me out? What are you even talking about? I don't care whether or not a provider wants to see me. I care about businesses that claim they cater to clients, hating the said clients and shitting on them for no other reason than them reviewing their business truthfully.
Imagine a yelp biz getting mad at people who are reviewing restaturanrs. Lol.
It's very simple. You think it perfectly fine to use clients for money build up your biz and then turn around and shit on the same clients after you pocketed their money.
I think it's very low, hypocritical and extremely opportunistic to the point of disgust.
And hence I asked why they needed money that much to see clients they hated but they couldn't tell them so because they liked the money they received from them so much. And I will always ridicule anyone putting money over customers in a service industry.
You somehow think that providers in this biz should be revered by simply existing. I hold them to same standards I treat everyone else's business.
Do you see lawyers on social media who shit on their previous clients after they moved up in ranks? I don't see any. Why is that? I wonder... Do you see CEOs of companies shit on their investors who made the company possible in the first place? Nope I wonder why.
But you think providers in this biz are special and exempt because they sell swxual services. Lol.
I treat my family fine. However, when someone tells me to review their business and they expect a positive review simply because I'm their family, that is never going to happen.
I had an incident when a relative thought I would give him such a review. Why the fuck would I lie to any consumers about his biz? I gave his biz an honest review. He got mad.
No its not about being selfish it's about being fair and caring about more than money. What do I have to gain here? Oh I get it I'm selfish for standing up for consumers who get shat on by the businesses.... but someone who puts profits over treatment of customers is not selfish.... Right right
Very rich.
You shit on your relatives business in a review? LOL see the South Park episode called "you're not yelping." It does a pretty good job describing people like you.
Again you hold yourself out to be self-righteous when the reality is you're just an asshole.
I didn't shit on my relatives business. I evaluated it truthfully after experiencing a product/service, that he was selling, and it was less than a stellar score.
Reviews are datapoints made for users by users. Reviews are not a springboard for businesses.
Reviewing a relative or a friend's business positively simply it's because someone I know? Pretty sure that's against the service terms. Why would you mislead fellow consumers? But of course you find nothing wrong with it, apparently you have no issues to mislead others in order to get someome you know a bit of money? What is this, a joke?
I don't hold myself to be self righteous. I just think lying to consumers is really low. Why would I mislead a fellow consumer?
All you can do is name calling, no wonder you're completely fine with providers on social media calling customers who review slobbyists. It's all fine to you. I get it.
I'll remind you once again that you're on the web site called the erotic review. Reviews are made by customers for customers. And any review with ulterior motive is against the tos. Moreover,theeroticreview is a site where we discuss, and yes - complain - about things we evaluate on this site. Namely, sexual services. There's no need to complain about this at a bar or elsewhere.
Of course it's fine with you that the customers weren't good enough for these providers calling mongers names... but the customers' money certainly and conveniently was good enough. Well by golly, how convenient. You don't see the sheer irony there.
Once again, you discuss me instead of the topic. They wanted money THAT much?
OMG. LOL
My sister owns a restaurant. The food is very good but the service is haphazard and the place is a bit dumpy. I would never, as in ever, write a review saying this. I have told her in person my concerns but I would never write a review saying this.
I do not know you bud, but I can see where you are trying to go with this convo and it is not going in the direction you intended. You may want to just tap out at this point.
Humans that want to still be invited to the family Christmas gathering do not write shitty reviews of their relatives' businesses.
No. Just no. Walk away from this hot mess........
There's no mess here. Reviews are priceless and not up for sale.
I wrote a review after I was asked for one and I did say if you want a review I will write a honest review like I always do.
It's not like I went out of my way to write a scathing review of his business.
No, he asked for a review, so I obliged. I went and bought service he was selling and I evaluated it like a person with zero ties and invested interest would.
Once again, why would I lie to consumers? Reviews are sacred. You on other hand sound like you
Sorry, seems like you care more about being invited to a Xmas diner than misleading many people whod read your review.
When I say fairness is thicker than blood, let alone water. I mean it.
There is zero, and I mean zero reason to lie to fellow consumers. Ohh boo hoo he's my relative. So?
It doesn't matter who you are, literally.
Oh boo hoo I had to lie because otherwise I wouldn't get a paycheck. Yeah? Well find a profession which doesn't require lying and false advertising and "friends and family" reviews to sell your product/services.
Not saying you as in you in particular, Scarlet.
It's a fundamental belief of mine. Don't lie to customers. Be transparent to customers. Reviews are for fellow customers to help evaluate the product or service.
Reviews were NEVER meant to help businesses get a customer base, no matter how much sellers try to make it seem like they were. Reviews are for customers,
In that review of my relatives biz I even stated right away that I am a relative of the business owner. I want to disclose all, if any biases I might have going on. Because my review is supposed to help consumers. Never the sellers - in any business. My reviews re always critical and attempt to show pros and cons of product or service I'm reviewing. Writing a review simply to help someome is dumb, against the tos and goes against the whole point of what reviews are supposed to be.
Ive said it on this board before, if a writer writes a book and sells it on Amazon, and then "buys" fake glowing reviews off friends and family, why should anyone respect a biz that lies to them and attempts to trick them, thinking these are legit reviews? If I see such reviews I will recommend consumers pirate that persons content so that person wouldn't get money. Don't lie to consumers. If you can't sell whatever you're selling without asking for help reviews, try another profession.
Not saying you as in you in particular, Scarlet. But if you ever asked for a "friends and family" review that gave you high marks simply for being related, you're also lying to the consumers. That's just how the cookie crumbles.
If you think just because someone is your kin, it's ok write a glowing reviww, maybe you think the same about your reviews? I hope not, but the way you used the word "Humans" tells me that you might.
Agree to disagree bud. You are wasting way too much of your life trying to defend this hot mess.
Walk. Away.
A lot of the things he complains about are his own problems. He can't admit it though, which is why he always tries to make it about something grandiose and bigger. Some providers require deposits and screening, he doesn't like that. Instead of just recognizing he isn't a match with that provider he complains about unfair business practices. He doesn't understand that other people don't care about his rants because they don't have the same problems that he has. He can't figure out that some of his experiences aren't the results of unfair business practices, but might be the result of his own attitude and behavior. That's why other guys don't care as much about some of the things he does, they act and behave differently and get different results.
Once again 420 your perspective is completely accurate! There are may be one or two gents that post on here that I would classify as "slobbyists", but unfortunately those few bad apples can ruin it for everyone else. Unfortunate, but the truth.
I think that when TER went off line. It was an overload of users. Now, That there's not many on there's more of a connection. With the overload we couldn't connect properly.
Could someone please translate this mess?
You mean you're not feeling that connection Nick? Even with the greatly reduced load of posts you have to deal with on TER these days? Who would have guessed.
people getting tired of P4P is the reason -- I don't see that has slowed down at all. At least not once you account for inpacts related to the covid period and public policies as well as personal choices related to going out or travelling.
I do think that others have hit on good points. The down time hurt and growing back is hard. The absense of TER allowed alternative venues to emerge or grow so competition is greater. People get into habbits and without a strong reason to change the habit (i.e., increased value in consumption) they don't. Value of sites like these, I suspect, will depend a lot on what economist call network effects. It's also kind of interesting to think about just how a business would go about competing for customers/user in a case like P4P related sites in locals where the activity is illegal and sometimes harshly prosecuted (e.g., trafficking charges for cases of consentual interactions).
So, yeah, lots of ways to slice and dice here but not sure we'll really ever know. Data is a bit scarce.
As for the subthread train wreck in progress I have an ask. Can you guys please have some LLM AI rewrite your posts in a Montey Python tone. Would certainly make it more entertaining.
I'm game. But only when you write a negative review about a negative experience and name the provider, publicly.
Ive issued that challenge four years ago btw.
I rally don't care bout making a trainwreck or whatever here. If people think they can get away shitting on customers for reviews and get away with justifying shitting on such customers....they think wrong.
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