I have no idea what you are trying to say but... Sir you are paying for sex, if you think its bad for a person to be compromised by money than you're in the wrong place and find another way to get laid.

It is pretty straight-forward. At one point, providers thought they needed reviews for their business. FOSTA/SOESTA happened and TER went down in the US. Providers learned to attract business without TER and reviews. They relied on self-promotion. TER came back in the US after providers had learned to do without it. Providers realized they didn't need it and started de-listing. Remember when people stopped buying newspaper ads when craigslist went up? IT is a very similar story.

 
Here is the free business lesson. Markets have different segments, filled with businesses that fill each niche. In general you have businesses that compete on cost and businesses that compete on quality/luxury. Businesses that compete on cost have higher volumes and lower prices. Businesses that compete on quality/luxury have lower volume and higher prices. Think of an affordable car brand (Honda) vs a Luxury Car Brand (BMW). Customers that want value will flock to the cheaper brand and customers that want luxury, quality or exclusivity will flock to the expensive brand.

 
Brands try to differentiate themselves and try to attract certain customers. Businesses will create practices to attract their customers and turn away customers they don't want to serve. Providers have openly talked on social media about how certain business practices are designed to filter the customers they want and the customers they don't want. So what I am pretty clearly saying is providers want money, but they want money from their preferred customer. The board here is filled with different types of people. The independent providers are trying to attract guys like RespectfulRobert. That is their preferred customer. They aren't trying to attract you because you are not their preferred customer. Interpret that however you want to.

You have no idea what Im trying to say? Lol

I have stated it in plain English.

The same people these providers call slobbyists were their clientele and helped them get going. These are the same people who the sellers are shitting on. The same customer base that helped establish their biz.

Oh I get it you think it's fine to use a customer base like a used condom for their money and then shit on them.  

 
What does me paying for sex have to do with sellers spitting in the face of same customers? I pay for many things, sex included. Sex isnt anymore or less special than anything else I pay for.

 
Hence me asking, shit they really needed money so much that they engaged with clientele they hated so much? All because the clientele reviews their business? Lol.  

 
And I'm gonna ask it again and again. Business who spit in the face of their own client base are piece of shit businesses to me.

That it's OK to shit on their own customer base that helped them establish themselves?

Why would I take a business lesson from someone who thinks this is something to be proud of?

 
Why would I take a business lesson from someone who thinks that shitting on people for reviewing their business fairly, is perfectly fine?  

 
Do you know of any IPO that shits on their first investors? I don't.  

 
Principles >  profit. And yes I guess this is why providers want someone like Robert who treats them in a special way and think they can do no wrong. Versus me who cannot be bribed, pleaded or refuses to treat any group differently. Man, woman, sex worker, lawyer, my kin, none of them get special treatment. . I don't compromise my beliefs. If anyone would offer me generational wealth for writing a good review or changing a review from mediocre to good, I would spit in their face for even suggesting it. Fuck your bribe. My principles are worth infinitely more than some greenbacks. Fuck outta here

that goes without saying, so I agree with you that there will always be some who delist for a variety of other reasons.  I was referring to the vast majority who seem to delist when they can't get their service and appearance score above an 8.  
I was also addressing in particular, someone's claim that they were delisting because of board posts.  That's hogwash.  

If your beliefs are easily compromised by money you didn't have beliefs in the first place. I'm sorry for being blunt, but that is what it is.

 
Scarlet, do you also think people who review providers and see many providers, deserve to be called slobbyists? Do you also talk shit about previous clients you saw to pay your bills?

That's really all it comes down to, you have a bad attitude and just seem like a miserable person to be around. You brag about not giving kin special treatment? How do you treat your family? I can only imagine what sitting next to you at a bar would be like. Who would want to be around you, much less have sex with you? Nobody wants a client that complains all the time and is impossible to please. That is you. That's why they are filtering you out. You only care about yourself but act like you're talking for all clients. You're acting like you're principled man but these are really made up justifications for being selfish.

Do I think some people who review providers deserve to be called slobbyists?  
Yes, without a shadow of a doubt there are some that deserve this title. All of them? No, absolutely not.  
Do I talk shit about previous clients I saw that paid my bills?  
Some of them, yes. But that would make them previous clients for a reason.  
Do providers deserve some of the terrible things that are said about them in reviews and that are posted on this board?  
Some of them, yes. Most of them, no.  
And again, being a provider is a JOB. Just like every other job out there that exists some days are awesome. Some days are meh. Some days really suck ass and I am really regretting booking a gent who is overbearing, rude, condescending, and boundary pushing and I know I will never see this guy again. But thankfully I have the ability to decline seeing gents. There are providers out there who are not able to screen or do deposits or consistently demand condoms be used and feel like a useless piece of garbage every day because they hate being a provider but they may have 2 kids they have to feed and pay rent.  
At the end of the day we are all humans, we all have strengths and weaknesses, and we ALL have shit we are dealing with on a personal basis and we all have out reasons why we became a provider or a client. It is up to us to make this website a better place for all of the individuals that make up the sex work community.

"bad behavior" from posters here who treat everyone the same puts you in the same category as those that are misogynists and racists.  You couldn't even get past your first paragraph without denigrating Kgirls, who are not white, they are Asian.  I make no apologies for being color blind and gender blind.  But then, I post under my username so people know who I am and what experience I have.  I treat everyone the same regardless of who they are and what boxes some people who think they are better here want to confine them to.  

 
Where is this "multitude of providers" of which you speak?  You still have no reviews, and are therefore classed as a "lurker" her, so it remains to be proven whether you even know ONE provider personally.  It's okay to post links here to statements made on other forums by your "multitude of providers".  I will not hold my breath that you can deliver what you claim.  Lol

 
You actually do have two choices . . . . 1)  You can listen to people who have WAY more experience than you and don't bullshit abut hearsay from "multitudes of providers" that I'm guessing you cannot name, or 2)  Stop being a coward who is full of himself, use your username here, and get some reviews so we at least know you're not some alias grandma just fucking with the legit posters here.

people getting tired of P4P is the reason -- I don't see that has slowed down at all. At least not once you account for inpacts related to the covid period and public policies as well as personal choices related to going out or travelling.

 
I do think that others have hit on good points. The down time hurt and growing back is hard. The absense of TER allowed alternative venues to emerge or grow so competition is greater. People get into habbits and without a strong reason to change the habit (i.e., increased value in consumption) they don't. Value of sites like these, I suspect, will depend a lot on what economist call network effects. It's also kind of interesting to think about just how a business would go about competing for customers/user in a case like P4P related sites in locals where the activity is illegal and sometimes harshly prosecuted (e.g., trafficking charges for cases of consentual interactions).

 
So, yeah, lots of ways to slice and dice here but not sure we'll really ever know. Data is a bit scarce.

 
As for the subthread train wreck in progress I have an ask. Can you guys please have some LLM AI rewrite your posts in a Montey Python tone. Would certainly make it more entertaining.

This wasn't about me but you somehow made it about me.

 
Who complained about anyone filtering me out? What are you even talking about? I don't care whether or not a provider wants to see me. I care about businesses that claim they cater to clients, hating the said clients and shitting on them for no other reason than them reviewing their business truthfully.  

 
Imagine a yelp biz getting mad at people who are reviewing restaturanrs. Lol.  

 
It's very simple. You think it perfectly fine to use clients for money build up your biz and then turn around and shit on the same clients after you pocketed their money.  

I think it's very low, hypocritical and extremely opportunistic to the point of disgust.  

And hence I asked why they needed money that much to see clients they hated but they couldn't tell them so because they liked the money they received from them so much. And I will always ridicule anyone putting money over customers in a service industry.  

 
You somehow think that providers in this biz should be revered by simply existing. I hold them to same standards I treat everyone else's business.  

 
Do you see lawyers on social media who shit on their previous clients after they moved up in ranks? I don't see any. Why is that? I wonder... Do you see CEOs of companies shit on their investors who made the company possible in the first place? Nope I wonder why.  

 
But you think providers in this biz are special and exempt because they sell swxual services. Lol.  

 
I treat my family fine. However, when someone tells me to review their business and they expect a positive review simply because I'm their family, that is never going to happen.  
I had an incident when a relative thought I would give him such a review. Why the fuck would I lie to any consumers about his biz? I gave his biz an honest review. He got mad.  

No its not about being selfish it's about being fair and caring about more than money. What do I have to gain here? Oh I get it I'm selfish for standing up for consumers who get shat on by the businesses.... but someone who puts profits over treatment of customers is not selfish.... Right right
 Very rich.

I'm game. But only when you write a negative review about a negative experience and name the provider, publicly.

Ive issued that challenge four years ago btw.  

 
I rally don't care bout making a trainwreck or whatever here. If people think they can get away shitting on customers for reviews and get away with justifying shitting on such customers....they think wrong.

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1) You brag about treating everyone the same because you are an asshole who treats everyone poorly. You have simply rebranded your shitty traits as righteous, positive traits.

 
2) I don't denigrate K-Girls. I denigrate you for being  a cheap john who talks shit about providers outside of his price range. Again you're not colorblind, you're just cheap. Another poor trait being rebranded as positive.

 
3) I have reviews and have been a member her as long as you have. I hide my reviews because reviewers and hobbyists are vindictive assholes who have fucked with my shit before. Also, providers I see hate reviews, so I have to hide the fact that I write reviews (didn't you say something similar).  I only post here anonymously.

 
4) You're also a giant hypocrite on this point, because you brag about using multiple handles and hiding your independent girl reviews behind an alias. Someone who claims to use an alias shouldn't call others out for using an alias.  

 
5) I don't care how you classify me nobody here respects you at all so your shit has no bearing or meaning. You're at the bottom of the pile here, not the top.

 
6) I also don't have to prove anything to you. You hold no power here and you are exactly the kind of person I want to avoid aside from talking shit to on the boards (anonymously).  

 
7) I get that you can't talk to the providers you hire, so the idea of listening to another person is foreign to you. However if you don't believe me you can just log on to social media or listen to the providers you harass who post here. All the providers you shit talk here and try to shout down tell you this but... whatever citations lol

 
8) You will never, ever dictate my choices. You are some idiot on a board with a false sense of authority.  I only started posting here because you are insufferable and I decided to give you a taste of your own medicine.

 
8) You are right I am full of myself on this board. Do you think you are humble? You're pretty full of yourself too. The difference is I don't value myself based on how many reviews I write or how many providers I fuck. I base my value on how I treat others and how I live up to my values. You treat others like shit. Other mongers on this board treat people like shit. I gladly treat you and guys like you like shit. You don't see me doing this to guys like RespectfulRobert. He is nice. You act like a nasty asshole on here and are surprised I a) am an asshole to you and b) think I am better than you.

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You shit on your relatives business in a review? LOL see the South Park episode called "you're not yelping." It does a pretty good job describing people like you.

 
Again you hold yourself out to be self-righteous when the reality is you're just an asshole.

What does full court press mean in this context ?

Only positive reviews for providers?

 
It's hilarious to think any seller of any biz thinks they are above being evaluated on the internet. If you provide a public biz on the internet, if you used ads on the internet, you should be ready for your product and services to be evaluated. And criticized. That's what consumers do. That's the beauty of the internet, that silent client now has a voice. Each client has a voice.  

 
Or do you mean moderation on forums? Well, even though I'm in favor of light moderation, I'd at least eliminate the ad hominems. But... that would also mean calling a client "slobbyist" would be prohibited too.

Maybe you skimmed it? The answer to your question lies within.

Huh?

"I personally think if TER rebranded and put a full court press on"

So I asked what does it mean for TER to "put a full court press on"? I guess my question is like, who would they press? Which side?

I didn't shit on my relatives business. I evaluated it truthfully after experiencing a product/service, that he was selling, and it was less than a stellar score.  

Reviews are datapoints made for users by users. Reviews are not a springboard for businesses.  

Reviewing a relative or a friend's business positively simply it's because someone I know? Pretty sure that's against the service terms. Why would you mislead fellow consumers? But of course you find nothing wrong with it, apparently you have no issues to mislead others in order to get someome you know a bit of money? What is this, a joke?  

 

I don't hold myself to be self righteous. I just think lying to consumers is really low. Why would I mislead a fellow consumer?  

 
All you can do is name calling, no wonder you're completely fine with providers on social media calling customers who review slobbyists. It's all fine to you. I get it.  

 
I'll remind you once again that you're on the web site called the erotic review. Reviews are made by customers for customers. And any review with ulterior motive is against the tos. Moreover,theeroticreview is a site where we discuss, and yes - complain - about things we evaluate on this site. Namely, sexual services. There's no need to complain about this at a bar or elsewhere.  

 
Of course it's fine with you that the customers weren't good enough for these providers calling mongers names... but the customers' money certainly and conveniently was good enough. Well by golly, how convenient. You don't see the sheer irony there.

 
Once again, you discuss me instead of the topic. They wanted money THAT much?

OMG. LOL  
My sister owns a restaurant. The food is very good but the service is haphazard and the place is a bit dumpy. I would never, as in ever, write a review saying this. I have told her in person my concerns but I would never write a review saying this.  
I do not know you bud, but I can see where you are trying to go with this convo and it is not going in the direction you intended. You may want to just tap out at this point.  
Humans that want to still be invited to the family Christmas gathering do not write shitty reviews of their relatives' businesses.  
No. Just no. Walk away from this hot mess........

As far as I can tell, TER has essentially down nothing to realize it is 2024 now and not 1998. Things have changed. The world has changed. Many women want nothing to do with TER. That would tell me a rebranding would be in order.
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What is wrong with making some changes? Make it easier for women to get rid of fake reviews. Allow them to respond to reviews. Allow them to control their profile. No, NOT their reviews, but their profile. Get rid of the misogyny that goes on on this board.  
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Someone like CDL is utterly clueless if he really doesn't think his actions, along with a few others, keeps women who would prefer to be here from coming back. He just reinforces the notion in their mind that TER hasn't changed and that it is a cesspool for women. He calls them fat, crazy, stupid etc. on a regular basis. Why cant we get rid of ad hominem attacks on providers? What would be wrong with that and making the much needed changes I describe above?
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I love women. This place would be so much better if there were more. Women would flock here if TER treated them fairly. They just refuse, as is their right. And it is the girls right not to frequent this place. And sadly, they dont.

MAGA sucks

Thank you for your continued support of single Mother’s. Life is already hard enough, so any help is greatly appreciated. I consider this my hobby as well it’s fun! I love the thrill this hobby lifestyle provides.

Yes sir you are part of the problem if you’re not writing reviews to share the fact that providers are using photos that are 10 years old. Warn others by sharing because no one wants to waste their money on false advertising. I am 45 years young & I don’t appreciate providers who lie about their age, or use photos that are obviously 🙄 ancient. Sharing is caring that’s what TER is for to let others know what you experienced. Why be here if you’re not participating?

I have provider friends who are delisted, and they are 5 star adult entertainers. Please don’t continue to pollute the boards with your bs. There are real top tier providers who had theirselves delisted because they do not want to be associated with TER. Holystonethedeck knows this fun fact because he is a true gentleman & providers really connect with him outside of the bedroom. Some of us are friends in real life.

that only “complete” answers to questions are acceptable here, and people shouldn’t bring up ideas/points more than once or twice? That’s what you seemed to say.

 
If so, you have a lot of work to do—there’s tons of “partial” answers to questions on this forum, and many people bring up the same points over and over. In fact, some of the most frequent posters here do that. So, get busy!  😄

Lmao no man I am not saying that at all. Most answers are probably incomplete. I'm not trying to fry that fish. I'm more so saying she inadvertidly partially answered the question, and her goal was more her personal goal than it was to even attempt to answer the question.

 
To me, this is similar to when a provider sorta kinda answers a question, but it's obvious she is more so using it as an opportunity to sell her services. We have seen QB do this many times. Usuaully, you can argue she partially answered the question. But you can tell her agenda wasn't to really answer the question, but to sell her services.

There's no mess here. Reviews are priceless and not up for sale.  

 
I wrote a review after I was asked for one and I did say if you want a review I will write a honest review like I always do.
It's not like I went out of my way to write a scathing review of his business.

No, he asked for a review, so I obliged. I went and bought  service he was selling and I evaluated it like a person with zero ties and invested interest would.

 
Once again, why would I lie to consumers? Reviews are sacred. You on other hand sound like you

Sorry, seems like you care more about being invited to a Xmas diner than misleading many people whod read your review.

When I say fairness is thicker than blood, let alone water. I mean it.

There is zero, and I mean zero reason to lie to fellow consumers. Ohh boo hoo he's my relative. So?
It doesn't matter who you are, literally.

Oh boo hoo I had to lie because otherwise I wouldn't get a paycheck. Yeah? Well find a profession which doesn't require lying and false advertising and "friends and family" reviews to sell your product/services.

Not saying you as in you in particular, Scarlet.

 
It's a fundamental belief of mine. Don't lie to customers. Be transparent to customers. Reviews are for fellow customers to help evaluate the product or service.

Reviews were NEVER meant to help businesses get a customer base, no matter how much sellers try to make it seem like they were. Reviews are for customers,

In that review of my relatives biz I even stated right away that I am a relative of the business owner. I want to disclose all, if any biases I might have going on. Because my review is supposed to help consumers. Never the sellers - in any business. My reviews re always critical and attempt to show pros and cons of product or service I'm reviewing. Writing a review simply to help someome is dumb, against the tos and goes against the whole point of what reviews are supposed to be.  

Ive said it on this board before, if a writer writes a book and sells it on Amazon, and then "buys" fake glowing reviews off friends and family, why should anyone respect a biz that lies to them and attempts to trick them, thinking these are legit reviews? If I see such reviews I will recommend consumers pirate that persons content so that person wouldn't get money. Don't lie to consumers. If you can't sell whatever you're selling without asking for help reviews, try another profession.  

Not saying you as in you in particular, Scarlet. But if you ever asked for a "friends and family" review that gave you high marks simply for being related, you're also lying to the consumers. That's just how the cookie crumbles.  

 

If you think just because someone is your kin, it's ok write a glowing reviww, maybe you think the same about your reviews? I hope not, but the way you used the word "Humans" tells me that you might.

I've never been blacklisted by ANY provider.  I fully understand how that can cloud your attitude towards agency bookers. Your bias is often forefront in your posts.  Get over it and move on.  You'll have more fun.

Agree to disagree bud. You are wasting way too much of your life trying to defend this hot mess.  
Walk. Away.

Serious question....how would you possibly know you have never been blacklisted? I see clients that have been blacklisted for frivolous reasons all the time. I don't tell them, there is no reason to do so. Even if they are blacklisted for a serious offence I just tell them I am not comfortable seeing them and move on. You also proudly proclaim your many alias and also proudly tell everyone that no provider has your real world info. Your web of nonsensical grandiose mumbo jumbo just grows and grows.

A lot of the things he complains about are his own problems. He can't admit it though, which is why he always tries to make it about something grandiose and bigger. Some providers require deposits and screening, he doesn't like that. Instead of just recognizing he isn't a match with that provider he complains about unfair business practices. He doesn't understand that other people don't care about his rants because they don't have the same problems that he has. He can't figure out that some of his experiences aren't the results of unfair business practices, but might be the result of his own attitude and behavior. That's why other guys don't care as much about some of the things he does, they act and behave differently and get different results.

you believe she was “tooting her own horn”?

 
News flash: people who AREN’T selling their services here do that all the time. Some post incessantly about how wonderful they are, often straying off topic when doing it. Where’s your complaint about them? QB at least “partially” answered the question. I’m not surprised when a provider talks here about how great they are. Heck, NON-providers do it all the time—why not providers?

 
One could argue that every post by a provider on these boards is partially for marketing purposes. And that’s expected. They should get SOME benefit from putting up with all the asshats here. lol

Idgaf if you are a provider or client. If you use a conversation for your own agenda, especially one you repeatidly bring up, I will call you out. Why do you have such a hard on for QB? Just book her for crying out loud. Moaning and groaning to me over calling her out will not calm your woody down.

Here's my suggestion. Get rid of the 10 or 15 mongers and the 4 or 5 whiny ho's and then TER can go back to what it's supposed to be...a site for men to find P4P sex. I mean anyone here that's married or in a long term relationship knows they already have a woman at home whining and complaining.  

You are a VERY VERY SMALL minority whiners...Go home and kick your dog or in Ms Kitty's case kick your 30 feral cats.

Walk out your door Roberta there are countless REAL women, living and breathing. Here just a wisp of 1's and 0's. Get a life pal

Robert never said “positive reviews only”.  
When I read Robert saying “full court press”, I see a call for a purge of what he feels is the misogynist content on the forums and a heavy marketing push to show a rebrand with an eye towards being provider friendly.

He never said or implied that bad reviews should be banned or suppressed. What he did suggest, which is similar to Yelp, is that providers have the opportunity to respond to reviews. Things like that.

That said, I think the ship has sailed on bringing back providers who have soured on review culture. I don’t think misogyny in the forums is the key thing that drove away providers, it’s the misogyny and objectification in reviews that’s sent them away.

Well done. Yelp is a very good example. I just don't think the world will end if we allow women to respond to reviews. I never thought the women wanted a "pro-provider" TER. They were just seeking fairness. Why is it so hard for people here to want to be fair to women who risk so much to make us so happy? I don't get it.
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You might be right on the ship sailing for a certain group of providers. But many of those girls who left TER for greener pastures have retired, while many are still active. Its the new women to the business TER can get IF...and its a big IF...they are willing to change with the times.
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The old guard here, so unwilling to change, is just hurting TER. Every day it doesn't rebrand, it just hurts itself going forward. What TER really needs is someone new at the helm. Someone who can look internally and acknowledge the change in society that has taken place and match those changes in the rebrand.  
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Sports leagues do it right? The NBA adopted the 3 point shot from the old ABA. The NFL took the 2 point conversion from college football. College basketball implemented an NBA style  shot clock. Does anyone think those changes didnt help those sports?

Dean Smith! UNC! Phil Ford! Four Corners (aka "Ford Corners") Offense.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_corners_offense
"... In the nationally televised 1982 Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) championship game between the North Carolina Tar Heels and the Virginia Cavaliers, North Carolina held the ball for roughly the last seven minutes of the second half to nurse a small lead, eventually winning, 47–45.  ... In 1985, the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) adopted a shot clock nationally and added the three-pointer a year later. ..."

of your “rule.”

 
Anyway, I’m not particularly fond of people here, like QB, who trash everyone who choose to use aliases. It’s not about QB. It’s about people who try to silence other posters here because they don’t agree with what they have to say and are incapable of having a civil discussion.