I mostly see gals that I've known for years and haven't raised prices to me, so when I pound one out it's only a 300-$400 savings.
their rates but have grandfathered in their grandfather customers. Lol
But I cant argue the pricing. It is astounding what has happened. Many guys are demoralized or in a state of shock. There are still some fine choices, near me at least, in the $400 range but they are becoming few and far between.
I think we both tend the value the companionship of escorting. Do you still find this need getting met?
In my opinion, the increase in prices has been accompanied by a decline in the quality of service and a degradation of the customer experience. That's the big issue, the product is getting worse. It used to be easy to find a well reviewed independent provider and the booking process was a breeze. These days the providers don't want reviews and the booking process is a pain in the ass, if not impossible. Appointments were always a blast. These days there are too many burnt out providers with bad attitudes, resentment and a sense of entitlement. Providers these days want to get paid to be a high end escort without doing the job of a high end escort.
I understand why providers made changes to their business practices. I went along with it but I'm less inclined to these days. Its just not worth it anymore and there are other places to get my needs met.
I still have so many great choices within a certain radius of my home but that radius has had to extend further now than it ever has for sure. I am traveling further, or paying women further to travel to me, so my costs continue to rise not JUST due to a women's rate, but due to transportation costs as well.
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I have been fortunate to avoid "burnt out providers with bad attitudes, resentment and a sense of entitlement" as I screen out those women in my research. There are still so many great women out there who fill most or all of my needs but the pool to choose from is rapidly shrinking.
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I think I will be ok for a while but the mid and long term outlook for me in this lifestyle is rather bleak, unless there is somehow a metamorphosis coming that hasn't reached my radar yet.
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What I really crave is a woman who will spend considerable time with me, and possibly over dinner, as that is where the real companionship comes from that I crave. But dinner dates with women I am attracted to can now be 3-4k, where as they were $1500 or so just 3-4 years ago.
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Re: I have been fortunate to avoid "burnt out providers with bad attitudes, resentment and a sense of entitlement" as I screen out those women in my research. There are still so many great women out there who fill most or all of my needs but the pool to choose from is rapidly shrinking.
This is completely fair. My issue is that finding the right provider takes more and more effort these days. Reviews aren't even enough, since I've run into the issue of escorts faking reviews and delisting. This is supposed to be an easy alternative but at this point it is just as much work, if not more, than regular dating.
I have reduced my frequency of seeing providers due to ALL of the issues you noted. It does make finding one to see more of a challenge. I don't have any desire to pay to put up with that nonsense. Just more money staying in my account.
My personal experience is that there's not much added value to me when seeing providers who charge rates over $400/hr. The experiences tend to be the same or more lackluster when compared to those charging slightly less.
If it was just about ejaculating maybe, but it’s not. So I see the two as separate. I will say when prices were closer to $300 if it wasn’t what I was hoping, I got over it a lot easier. When I drop $600/$700, if it’s unsatisfactory, I feel a lot worse about it and question why I keep doing it.
Put me in this boat as well. It would be a bit like thinking i've just saves $50 (or even $100 at some) by eatting a hamberger from one of the fast food places versus having a steak in a better steakhouse.
So a bit of an apples-oranges comparison.
And just like that, another complaint about the price of P4P.
Here I thought we might be able to get through a whole 2 weeks. Silly wabbit.
If the topic offends you, scroll to the next thread. Is it that hard, obviously it is for you.
I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused.
The original poster is pretty funny, but also has an interesting point.
I am 56 years old, and majored in Government (with a minor in economics)....as a client/customer I am new to the modern (post 2009 Great Recession) "Provider/Escort" market....(I did have a relationship with 2 escorts back during the period 1998 thru 2006.....the world and the scene was dramatically different back then....few escorts DFK or did GREEK, and fewer had CIM/swallowed) With today's market, It's the simple law of supply and demand......and the product ("Sex") has both elastic and in-elastic properties but is ultimately more In-elastic (that means the demand for it remains the same regardless of what the prices for it do.)
2009's recession and the stunted, skewed recovery that has followed the past 15 years changed everything.....it accelerated the vast gap in wealth between the richest 10% and everyone else, and even more so the richest 1% and everyone else. Today's wealthy american male demographic utilizes "Escorts/Providers/Courtesans" etc like never before.....the stigma and perceived risk is greatly diminished in the perception of a larger swath of society than ever before. You can thank the Porn Industry since 1999 (which has always led the way in the ever evolving sexual proclivities of society, especially the younger generations who grew up with the internet.) Young men since 1999 who grew up masturbating to the pornography that now saturates the internet have these desires hardwired into their psyche, and now NEED to continue to satisfy these desires. There are now a huge number of men between the ages of 25 & 45 who absolutely need to satisfy these hardwired desires with a level and frequency many typical marriages and monogamous relationships cannot accommodate (for a whole multitude of reasons.....again In-elastic)
The demand for providers/escorts who do things (with gusto) like DFK, CIM (especially swallow), Greek, Russian etc is extremely high due to all these porn addled males needing it.....that is why the prices keep going up, because the demand is not yet at the point of intersection with supply.
I could go on in greater detail about a number of secondary points and drivers, but bottom line these girls charge what they charge....because they can! The only thing that would change it at this juncture is if every paying male, including the uber wealthy, simply decided to say "Nyet". The AI revolution is coming though, so hang in there.....soon there will be "Sex Dolls" who look and act like Mia Malkova and will sense a rise in your blood pressure and without being prompted, kneel before you with their mouth open and tongue out saying the things you need to hear....all at a reasonable (ONE TIME) price.
Seriously--what the fuck man?!
Indeed, in San Diego { where I currently reside } , the price of punani
has increased.
Many factors are attributed to the heightened expense.
Firstly, exorbitant costs for monthly rents for an apartment, as one
needs an "Incall" location that is appealing, safe and discreet:
{ a small studio with gated parking is around $2000+ /mo.,
1 bedroom approx. $2800 - $3400+ /mo. }
Monthly mortgages with an average of 20% down exceeds $7000+ /mo.
for a small house, 25 minutes from the beach.
Do you need Cable TV/Internet?
This service averages $170/mo. {no frills, no "Netflix", nor "Espn"} :{
0ther utilities = $400+ /mo.
Hotels for the vistor or for the Escort to have a swanky "Incall", have always
been exorbitant in San Diego due to the supposed year-round "warm sun,
sand and surf" { though the sunshine has curiously been lacking this last year
2023 - 2024 }.
Depending on locality, a "nice" hotel room is minimum $400/nt. and upwards,
with a "posh", upscale hotel room being $600++.
Additionally, groceries and essentials have equally sky-rocketed...
1 pound of green grapes (non-organic) is $7, a 24-pk of bottled drinking
H2o is $8 and a 12-pack of 2-ply toilet paper is now $25...Wtf?!
Throw in the constant gouging of San Diego gas prices....$6++ for Premium,
and $50 for a "basic" lube job....{no, NOT that kind lol}
Us ladies need to maintain our presentation at all times;
Basic weekly Mani/Pedi = $100 { includes tip }
Weekly Professional Coiffure = $100 " "
Bi-Monthly Hair Color Touch-Up = $600 " "
Bi-Monthly Waxing = $300
4-x Annually Teeth Cleaning = $1000
{ This isn't even the entire "Personal Care" list }
Are you exhausted yet? Yeah, me too!
Please attempt to relax with an evening of dining out at a medium-priced
restaurant....$35/per plate minimum, no sides; no beverages, no starters, nor
accoutrements, and definitely not even a "Happy Ending" { Dessert }!
Craving a fast-food meal instead, if you're into that?
It's $16 - $20, because "hey, why not really stick-it-to-us"?!
Finally, I've not even touched upon other monthly fixed expenses too numerous
to mention, which most of us have to endure....
0h yeah, by the way "punani" is a delicacy with a varied price tag of money and
time, which should be chosen with discernment as one is financially comfortable.
Good Luck To You Sir. 
Warmest Regards,
Angelina Jones
Exactly. This is the reality we have.
That was an excellent post by Angelina, very enlightening about what typical providers must account for in determining their price. She broke her costs down to a level of detail the average client probably does not even remotely consider....well done, and thank you for sharing. (as I stated previously, I myself just joined this website/board last week, and started posting yesterday; I had originally purchased the VIP membership because I had nothing/no one to "review".....I wanted to see what this site has to offer and how it works.) Now that I know we actually get interaction & input from Providers, I believe I may hang around a while linger
Angelina, although I am now residing back east in New England, I used to live in California (1992 thru 2008/2009), in both Los Angeles and San Francisco. Sometimes I would find myself in San Diego, which was the absolute best in terms of year round climate. I found the general cost of living in San Diego to be on par with Los Angeles, but less than San Francisco (by a lot). Again, this was all BEFORE the 2008 great recession.....the problem with inflationary pressures on expenses that Angelina detailed is they can be extremely destructive overall to not only simple profits, but the Quality and Utility of these services provided. When pressure exists to cut costs, in general quality always suffers in the short term, usually in a cascading fashion. The total time (and the energy required) spent always looking for better cost effective preparatory stuff, looking for cheaper living and hosting arrangements etc, is time that is lost to other more enjoyable and beneficial pursuits. This in turn, has an (often subtle) negative impact on a provider's countenance when she meets her clients....afterall, what makes these amazing women able to perform for the average man (with all the potential faults and unpleasant characteristics that we men, intentional and unintentional, can have) is knowing that they are making a healthy profit......Yes I know, many of these ladies do "enjoy" what they do, and they should, but let's be honest, it is all driven by the business model behind the whole Provider/GFE Industry.
Hmmm... have you considered that customers are also subject to most of these?
Providers aren't the only ones hit by inflation. Inflation hits clients the same amount. Mongers too pay rent... mongers too buy food, mongers also go to get teeth cleaned. And so on and so forth.
Aside from health insurance that is paid by the employer - and admittedly I have no idea how providers in the US can survive if God forbid something serious happens to them and they have no health unsurance, this country's Healthcare system is evil - mongers incur similar expenses.
Unlike providers though, many jobs merit increase is lower than inflation rate. Where a provider can get easily raise the prices by a cool 35% over a year, many employees have to be content with 2 to 4% annual merit increases that don't even cover inflation.
As a result, some mongers do feel priced out. I agree that they shouldn't feel entitled to have pussy to buy cheaply, but I also think the feeling of being priced out can be related to.
I also imagine it doesn't feel great if the provider says to their customers who supported them throughout the years but now can't afford to seem them, that they're cheap. It's just gaslighting the whole thing further imo. Not saying that all or even most providers do, but definitely seen a few express this sentiment on social media.
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Of course I am sure he understands that, and has experienced that as do we all. He was just commenting on a very detailed post about why rates have risen. I think it is a good thing that clients see posts like that from Angelina so they can better understand an issue from a providers POV.
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That said, it doesn't mean we have to like the increases as I certainly dont. And to be fair, she actually did mention rising costs that we all, not JUST providers, have to endure so her post did have some balance in it.
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As for the HC system in the US being "evil", I just think that is a silly take. It is perfect? No, far from it but to label the whole system, one in which saves numerous lives every day while producing the most advanced care in the world, "evil" is grossly misinformed.
Angelina's post had nothing about client expenses at all.
In Guss post he said - which I quoted in my post title, that customers might not have considered providers expenses. He hasn't said anything about clients having same expenses.
Hence me asking if he realized many customers have the same expenses for same things, so how can they not realize it?
Does that answer your question? It's a weird question. The answer should have been self-explanatory.
As far as health care, this is off tangent but... well maybe evil is the wrong word, let's call it a racket. I don't know about you, but I have received bills for health care in several different countries. When I see a bill for an MRI that has the initial cost of a small car, I always think what the hell would happen to a seriusly sick person if they didn't have insurance.
"Yes I know, many of these ladies do "enjoy" what they do,
and they should, but let's be honest, it is all driven by the
business model behind the whole Provider/GFE Industry."
~ @Gus_n_MollyPugs
Thank you for your kindest compliment and thoughtful reply
@Gus_n_MollyPugs regarding my post about the cost of P4P.
{ Please check your personal Email Asap }
I too resided in San Francisco, { Nob Hill }, { Pacific Heights }, and prior,
in the East Bay; 0rinda, Lafayette, Walnut Creek, Pleasant Hill and in
the 0akland Hills.
Real Estate prices, rents, utilities, and gas prices in San Diego, in the last
10+ years have now surpassed even the exorbitant cost of residing in
San Francisco and supposedly even New York, as dictated by a most recent
survey:
"San Diego ranked No. 1 as the most expensive city in the nation to live,
according to a 2023-2024 "U.S. News" analysis of the 150 largest metropolitan
areas in the U.S." ~ May 9, 2024
Since I restarted seeing kgirls, I realized what a bargain they are at the rates they charge. But that's for another forum, lol. I also routinely explore other options such as massage parlors and stripclubs. If your only goal is getting off, then there are alternatives to traditional escorts. But you really can't beat the chemistry connection with some escorts that you usually don't find in other venues, and if that's what you crave then you just gotta suck it up and pay the price 🤷♀️
Agree with the point, which for me is why kgirls fall in the middle. They’re more than just getting off, but for me I don’t connect with them as well as someone who’s native language is English.
You can still find girls with decent price points. It just takes a lot of patience and ingenuity. Using other review boards besides this one helps a lot. Talking to girls extensively. A lot of them have a friend of a friend who is under the radar, starting out. These kinds of girls tend to be super hot and affordable because they don't advertise, have second jobs, speak another language, etc. Some of these girls are semi-independent and can by pried away from their agency or rather you can see them under the table. Sometimes dealing with a middle man causes the rates to be inflated somewhat. Utilizing "all you can eat AMPs" helps a lot too. There are definitely affordable girls out there if you know where to look.
Sounds crazy. Some have sold stocks and stock funds and put into money market rates in retirement accounts. They are using the interest generated every month to hobby, they continue to work. When the market crashes they will stop and put the capital back to work in the stock market and cut back in the hobby.
Others are using military retirements to hobby and continue to work.
I agree. While jacking off obviously doesn’t satisfy the desire for companionship and the feeling of the real thing, it certainly eliminates the desire to see an escort (at least for that day). I’ve had the exact same thought cross my mind.
I don’t mind dropping 600-700/hr for an outstanding experience with an established well reviewed provider. There are even times when I’ve seen someone at that price point, and they were so good that I felt I got a bargain. I think some of the newer providers seem to think they can set their prices based on what established ladies charge. Where I live there are some morbidly obese and unattractive women advertising for 500/hr. There are a few asking for 1k/hr— ladies with no reviews and no internet presence. While their self-confidence is admirable, their prices are clearly outrageous.
Due to some health issues and age I can't perform to the point where it's worth the money to pay these rates. Sometimes I feel like I'm paying for daty only. Lol
As we oldsters know, time is the only true enemy.
But, consistent with your handle (greatest rock and roll song ever), maybe you can still sell your soul for a few more years of good play.
At my age I can't last an entire hour even with the aid of the little blue pill, so to save time and money I only schedule providers offering half hour sessions. it seems to be more available with foreign/minority providers.
Trendfollower,
I believe that all Providers & Hobbyists wanna save money. Providers want to save money on traveling (Buses, Taxi & Etc) as well as hotel & Motels. This question is for the Hobbyists. How can you tell a Provider to save money on a Motel or Hotel just so you (The Hobbyists) can get the sexual satisfaction?!!
On the flip, sometimes after shelling out the hourly fee, the experience was NO better than choking the chicken. I can definitely see your $700 point, especially if you see escorts once or more a week. Regulars are also not included, because you know what you're going to get.
I don’t mind paying the high donations, if the provider is good, but I know providers who are okay who charge 600.00 and is not GFE providers, I have paid 1400- 1800 for a hour before, but the providers was well worth it, I feel like non GFE providers shouldn’t charge no more then 300.00 for the hour, I have always said for a lady to share her precious body with a total stranger you can’t put a price tag on that but I also feel like the non GFE providers want to get paid the same as the GFE provider, in other words do less work for the same pay which is usually the younger new providers.
Posted By: Trendfollower
Amazing how much the price of pussy has gone up since the pandemic. I am at a point now that whenever I jerk off I feel like I have saved over $700. Anybody else feel the same way?
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I have done that as $700 is just the start. I usually am 1.5 to 2 hours from the city that many of the touring ladies visit. That is 4 hours round trip in the car, plus the 1 hour with the companion. I need to block out that much time plus it is a tank of gas ($40). The moment passes and I have my $740 and time. Plus if the time spent doesn't live up to the $ you spent then you really feel like you wasted your day and $. This happened to me with a Porn Star who at the time was $500. I spent time and money and would have been better watching her DVD.
So let's see...
At $700 an hour for the entertainment, it seems that most older men can cum only once. So the math works out to about $700 per ounce of cum. It's got to be the most expensive fluid on the planet. Thats a bit pricey don't you think? Unless you can actually shoot a second load then the match would be $350 and ounce... still pretty steep. LOL!
