Too fuckin' bad for the orphans and the widows.  We cannot tie our hands in this fight like we've done since WWII by trying to spare the innocent and selectively take out military and strategic targets while agonizing over putting the slightest scratch on a civilian.  Did you or did you not see those planes slam into the World Trade Center.  Reactionary, knee jerk, enraged?, you bet, all those things, but now the blood cools and with it cooler heads will set about the task of wiping this planet clean of the fundamentalist religious zealots that infest the middle east like a nest of rats and send their spawn out into peaceful societies to commit atrocitities against countries that dare to celebrate freedom and goodness.  It's them or us and we cannot take into account bleeding heart dialogues like yours because the terrorists sure as hell don't.  If we insist on playing by a set of rules dictated by our code of what's morally right and wrong then we will get our asses handed to us at home and abroad for as long as you and I are here witness it.  Drop the fucking gloves and unleash the entire force or our military might against anything that so much as squeeks in our direction in that godforsaken asshole of the world and that includes those fucks dancing in the streets in the Palestinian camps.

Good point, but we have to bomb someone . . .

. . . very, very severely!  As the Chinese would say, we have face to save (and ass to kick).  If we do nothing but bitch and moan, we will lose what little respect we have in this world and the shit will REALLY start to happen then.  Trust me, nothing sends a message like a good old-fashioned blitzkrieg.

If Afghanistan is where we have to go, Pakistan has given us permission to overfly their territory.  That's good enough.  Who knows, maybe they'll eventually give us road access as well.  The Russkies and their "former Soviet republics" that border Afghanistan are cooperating as well.

I'd settle for targeting Bin Laden, all his associated terrorist buddies and the armed forces of any nation that harbors, supports or gives aid to them.  Obliterate them.  Then obliterate their ashes.  The only message that needs to be heard right now is, "Don't ever f**k with America!!!"

The people of Afghanistan have about as much to do with Bin Laden as the people in the WTC had to do with America's foreign policy vis a viz Israel.

There is no need to directly target civilians, though in any military action it is possible to have unintended consqeuences. Carpet bombing Kabul however is not only counter productive, it is a waste of good bombs. I don't think this is the policy the US is about to undertake.

Government agencies in India handed over detailed maps and information of terrorist training camps inside Afghanistan to the FBI, news reports said yesterday.

For more, see link

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Pakistan has agreed to the full list of US demands for a possible attack on Afghanistan's Taliban rulers who shelter suspected terrorist Osama bin Laden.

This includes a US request to base a multinational force in Pakistan.

Pakistan has agreed to the use of its airspace in a strike on Afghanistan by a multinational force, and to co-operate in intelligence gathering, according to a senior US official and sources in Pakistan.

For more, see link

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When the international expeditionary forces enter Afganistan, in much the same way that the allies entered France, we will know within a day the position of the Afgani people; the same for Iran, Iraq etc.; for without their support we will be like England in Ireland.
    And I wish to remind people again, the greatest threat to our security is the proliferation of nuclear weapons and the last two administrations have a very poor record here. It's time we picked up all the toys from India, Pakistan et al. and disarmed the world of these weapons; otherwise the fire next time will be nuclear and it will be the dust of millions we will be vacuuming.